So how racist are the people around you?

[Zero]

Why the fuck does it matter to the initial point that eliminating racism won't eliminate the problem?

You're a worthless fucking idiot piece of shit. The fact that A does not cause 100% of B does not mean that A does not cause B. And if A causes B, then eliminating A would reduce B. Please take your worthless black and white fallacies and shove them up your ass.

I'm so fucking sick of stupid assholes who think that there's no point mitigating problems if you can't eliminate them completely.

We differ on what causes the problem, I think, because in my mind, human nature causes both. We can't understand more then a certain number of people, so we can't know everyone individually, and must group people based on some characteristic. Be it race, nationality, ideology, intellect level, 'coolness', or any manner of bullshit that we manage to come up with, this will always be a part of human nature. It isn't something that will be defeated, because it's part of how we learn to socialize (IE make assumptions about people based on shared characteristics to some stereotype). Racism is just more apparent because it's based on physical characteristics that we can all recognize. It's a simpler target, but eliminating it won't change the human instinct to generalize and stereotype.

[Zero]

The difference doesn't matter. You already agreed with me that eliminating racism won't solve the problem, and that people will always find different ways to group people, and segregate, so what fucking relevance is it what specific ways people find to do this? Why the fuck does it matter to the initial point that eliminating racism won't eliminate the problem? What fantastical justification do you have for this you stupid fuck? Why the fuck does it matter? Because you say so?

It matters because the root causes must be addressed seperately. Hatred will never 'go away' completely, but it is a black/white fallacy to say that because you can never get rid of all of it, you shouldn't identify the different kinds and paths to solutions and reduce what you can. This fallacy does not surprise me in it's use in your post.. It's the same dishonest, illogical argument Shaithis has been pimping out as if it makes sense.. But it is depressing.

Hatred and racism don't even really imply each other. Racism is just generalizations based on race. For instance, I generally assume asian kids to be smarter then average kids. This makes me racist, but I don't hate the fuckers. Or, for instance, if a group finds white women more attracktive then black women, this group won't necessarily hate black women. The two are associated because people do tend to hate things that aren't the same as them, but realligning this away from race and towards other differences won't decrease hate, it'll just make the features that people hate less apparent.

[SirNitram]

Hatred and racism don't even really imply each other. Racism is just generalizations based on race. For instance, I generally assume asian kids to be smarter then average kids. This makes me racist, but I don't hate the fuckers. Or, for instance, if a group finds white women more attracktive then black women, this group won't necessarily hate black women. The two are associated because people do tend to hate things that aren't the same as them, but realligning this away from race and towards other differences won't decrease hate, it'll just make the features that people hate less apparent.

First off, to your statement it will 'not decrease hate', I demand you put up or shut up, trolling fucktard. Prove it.

Second, are you such a simpleton you don't grok the immediate result of less-apparent features being discriminated against? Here, let me spell it out: The less likely you are to catch the feature in question early on, the more likely people are to interact despite it. The more likely they are to interact despite it, the more likely they'll overcome it. Ergo, yes. The more we move away from apparent things and to more subtle things, the better it is. But that requires logically looking at the situation we would be creating.

Are you done trolling your stupid black/white bullshit yet? Because you're still repeating this idea that it doesn't matter because it only mitigates the problem. Really, this is SDNet, we demand better.

[The Guid]

Hatred and racism don't even really imply each other.

Sorry, I know the terms in vague theory need not imply each other but in practise they are intrinsincly linked. The fact is that once you have decided that there is a group that is "different" or "other" to yourself one looks for the differences. If a difference, real or percieved becomes apparent that offends you in some way especially in terms of priviledges (especially if you have little) people tend to become violently opposed to what they percieve to be the "other". Race, as you agree, makes it easy to generalise a group - I maintain that if it is easy to become offended by a group that you can concretely define (such as in areas with no interbreeding) then hatred, suspicion and all the other evils go with it. You can't do this as easily with other elements because it is not so easy to create this division.

[Zero]

Upon further review, Nitram is correct. Racism is apparently caused by a basic fear of the unfamiliar, and thus of things that aren't like us. Nationalism is caused by stereotyping, which is apparently often a valid generalization tool for telling people apart.

But I'm still not a troll.