The Plausibility of SWvST Fanfics

[Battlehymn Republic]

Wong's "Conquest" has pretty much been recognized as one of the most realistic and grounded stories showing how a 'real' Empire invades the Milky Way campaign would go.

But what about other highly acclaimed fanfics? Are there any other ones that depict a plausible war/massacre?

I've always thought the Worlds Without End to be a very clever way of merging the two universes cinematic-style, and so that one isn't exactly plausible in the same way. And it isn't even a straightfoward Empire vs. Federation fight, seeing as how the two sides are friends for a while (which I think is pretty novel for this sub-genre of fanfiction).

[Ghost Rider]

Ummm...it is no way, a realistic look in anything except characters.

The reason some of the best fanfics from authors from Chuck and Frank's work is simply because they throw away the overwhelming power because they know who wins in less then a day. They want the focus to be upon struggle and characters. Thus they lower the power to extreme levels and leave it as such.

This makes them stylistically much more appealing but in no way what a real or even grounded approach between said powers would be.

[SCRawl]

Actually, I think that Mike went out of his way to close the power gap. If someone were to write a "realistic" crossover, it wouldn't make much of a story.

Ever see "Godzilla Meets Bambi"? Kind of like that.

[Solauren]

Worse then Godzilla vs Bambi

Bambi has a chance if her turns tail and runs and Godzilla doesn't notice him.
No force in Star Trek has that option

[Battlehymn Republic]

Then is there no other fanfics close to plausible?

[Ghost Rider]

Then is there no other fanfics close to plausible?

The one you mentioned isn't even plausible. Mike's fanfic is good because like many of the decent one make use of character first, and the technology falls by the wayside. They still have the Empire as better but not as overwhelming as the debates go, because the technology is too vast a gulf.

Making any sort of versus between the two is nothing more then wanting to watch a man step on an ant.

[Battlehymn Republic]

I was referring to Darth Wong's "Conquest", not WWE. I already mentioned in the first post that WWE is a very highly acclaimed SWvST fanfic, but I recognized that it's good because it combines the two universes while preserving the original cinematic character, but it's nothing close to "Conquest" in terms of plausibility.

[Ghost Rider]

I was referring to Darth Wong's "Conquest", not WWE. I already mentioned in the first post that WWE is a very highly acclaimed SWvST fanfic, but I recognized that it's good because it combines the two universes while preserving the original cinematic character, but it's nothing close to "Conquest" in terms of plausibility.

Even Conquest is not plausible in terms of combat. He's extraordinarily generous when he was writing that and not nearly as brutal as calculations of firepower make it out to be.

[Battlehymn Republic]

Oh.

Well, I was thinking along the lines of plausibility in how all of the different factions would act politically and militarily.

Has anyone attempted to write a story where all of the firepower was at "realistic" levels?

[Solauren]

I believe it was called 'Star Destroyers Rampant'

[Eleas]

Consider that "Conquest" was written with a rough parity in terms of size/power ratio. ISDs are about ten or twelve times the volume of a GCS, thus they were ten or twelve times as powerful in every way.

I don't know if I've seen any decent fanfic with anywhere near plausible numbers. I'm fairly sure it would be boring no matter how you slice it.

[2000AD]

I believe it was called 'Star Destroyers Rampant'

yeah, but it did seem to be written in the style of "IN YOUR FACE TREKKIES, NYAAAGH!" rather than actually telling a story

[Eleas]

I believe it was called 'Star Destroyers Rampant'

yeah, but it did seem to be written in the style of "IN YOUR FACE TREKKIES, NYAAAGH!" rather than actually telling a story

I believe "Fist of the Empire" was roughly correct also, numbers-wise.

[Hedgehog's Roommate]

Got you all beat "Portal". MOST. REALISTIC. FANFIC. EVER.

[Hedgehog's Roommate]

Seriously though, plausibility in this sense can be very general. Plausibility in character interaction? Combat actions? Cinematic themes?

Unfortunately the more plausible combat stories are also very short. The whole "Godzilla vs. Bambi" idea. For character interaction and cinematic theme, JME2's WWE is one of the better stories. Mike's fic while extremely entertaining is not, IMO, one of the most plausible stories. I think though that the others have covered most of this already.

[Crazedwraith]

For character interaction and cinematic theme, JME2's WWE is one of the better stories. .

Do you mean JME2'S BoBW or ChucK Sonnenberg's WWE? 'Cos JME2 doesn't do WWE.

[Hedgehog's Roommate]

Yeah, my bad I totally screwed that up. I think JME2 does better cinematic flow. Haven't read much of WWE though. Sorry guys my bad.

[consequences]

Ummmm, Starcrossed? By limiting the scale of the engagement from the Wars side, it approaches parity of overall capability while maintaining something close to the overwhelming superiority of individual Wars combatants(okay, its still understated by an order of magnitude or more, but it comes closer than everything mentioned so far).

[Kazuaki Shimazaki]

Wong's "Conquest" has pretty much been recognized as one of the most realistic and grounded stories showing how a 'real' Empire invades the Milky Way campaign would go.

I assume you want to concentrate on technical matters.

Basically, IMHO, Wong's FanFic is the best I've read in plausibility. This is not the same as "realism".

One hit kills by ISDs on Fed ships has been a part of debating since the 2GT rating became accepted (as in, Trekkies won't scream if you use it as an assumption in tactical calculations). That was when good, "realistic" FanFics went out the window.

And realistic FanFics aren't getting any easier to write, thanks to the ICS that made even Trekkies agree on hundred GT level plus.

Wong's FanFic is plausible because it used a large Master Correction. He equalized it from the very start, but he didn't use so much a TA-oriented stomach would uncontrollaby twist (which meant it must have been OK with everyone else). By using a large Master Correction, he didn't have to make any Special Corrections. You will notice that there are very few deux ex maschinas in Conquest. You will realize that if you have at least a 10 Fed ship:1 ISD ratio, the Master Correction is unlikely to be too problematic.

Stravo tried to use a much smaller Master Correction. I was very impressed at the start. Unfortunately, it turned out he cannot hold that correction - that is, he can't write anything interesting at that disbalance. Not that it is his fault, because this is hard. But what happened is that he kept entering in Special Corrections so his main characters, like Kirk, can escape or even win. This kind of Special Corrections upsets the person who had just gotten adapted to the Master Correction, and kills off its plausibility. Nobody likes an excess of deux ex machinas and copouts in any sotry, and he exhausts Tolerance in people very fast.

[Spanky The Dolphin]

Worse then Godzilla vs Bambi

Bambi has a chance if her turns tail and runs

Um, Bambi was male.

[Battlehymn Republic]

Ahem, okay, well then storywise, which stories are most plausible, in the sense that the characters behave realistically and the factions involved aren't strategic/tactical dumbasses?

[Edward Yee]

If one takes it to be literally "SW vs ST" and not any particular faction, then there is in fact plenty of room for a "rough parity" fight.

The United Federation of Planets vs. the Galactic Empire is one thing. The United Federation of Planets vs. the Imperial Remnant or a secessionist ex-Imperial warlord is wholy another. IMO, if the latter two examples (Remnant or secessionist ex-Imp) had ships stuck in the "civilized" (Alpha/Beta Quadrants) half of the Milky Way galaxy with no way to get back and not much way to either regenerate resources or be able to use any plundered, then I see the possibility of the UFP simply holding out in hopes of attrition.

(This assumption of course assumes that the Imps in question don't -- though we know that they could -- simply make for Earth at once. Not that this solves their resource problem...)

[Lord Revan]

If one takes it to be literally "SW vs ST" and not any particular faction, then there is in fact plenty of room for a "rough parity" fight.

The United Federation of Planets vs. the Galactic Empire is one thing. The United Federation of Planets vs. the Imperial Remnant or a secessionist ex-Imperial warlord is wholy another. IMO, if the latter two examples (Remnant or secessionist ex-Imp) had ships stuck in the "civilized" (Alpha/Beta Quadrants) half of the Milky Way galaxy with no way to get back and not much way to either regenerate resources or be able to use any plundered, then I see the possibility of the UFP simply holding out in hopes of attrition.

(This assumption of course assumes that the Imps in question don't -- though we know that they could -- simply make for Earth at once. Not that this solves their resource problem...)

problem is that even unless said SW faction used only fighters you'd still have lower SW firepower to make a fic that's intresting (a single CR-90 is a major threat for UFP fleet, but a light capship mainly used for support and convoy duties (or as diplomatic transport) in SWverse).

[Edward Yee]

problem is that even unless said SW faction used only fighters you'd still have lower SW firepower to make a fic that's intresting (a single CR-90 is a major threat for UFP fleet, but a light capship mainly used for support and convoy duties (or as diplomatic transport) in SWverse).

Allowing that, the difference is that the UFP has any chance at all. It's weak by SW standards and only powerful against ST ships, but it's not a full-blown Galactic Empire invasion.

Then again, if you're not using exact numbers for their stats, then there's room for (slight) deviations for plot-device purposes...