Falcon Maneuverability

[Lord Poe]

Return of the Maneuverability page!

[Ghost Rider]

Ooooh...will we get to see another Trek miss?

Still good to see it's all coming back together.

[Tribun]

Just a question, Mr. Poe:
From where did you got the picture of the "Trekkie"?

[Bounty]

Just a question, Mr. Poe:
From where did you got the picture of the "Trekkie"?

I think it's this guy

But those arguments - stuff like .5c torps and turning back into the asteroid field before latching on - please tell me you made those up...

[Techno_Union]

ANH

LUKE: Why don't you outrun them? I thought you said this ship was fast!

LUKE: Are you kidding? At the rate they're gaining?

Mr. Poe, was the second line supposed to be said by Han? My copy of the novel doesn't have that exchange, so I can't check it myself, but it looked strange so I thought I'd mention something.

[Ghost Rider]

ANH

LUKE: Why don't you outrun them? I thought you said this ship was fast!

LUKE: Are you kidding? At the rate they're gaining?

Mr. Poe, was the second line supposed to be said by Han? My copy of the novel doesn't have that exchange, so I can't check it myself, but it looked strange so I thought I'd mention something.

In the movie, both of those lines are said by Luke.

[Techno_Union]

In the movie, both of those lines are said by Luke.

Thank you for clearing that up. My apologies for the above confusion.

[Lord Revan]

Just a question, Mr. Poe:
From where did you got the picture of the "Trekkie"?

I think it's this guy

But those arguments - stuff like .5c torps and turning back into the asteroid field before latching on - please tell me you made those up...

sadly he hasn't made those up (or at least there's arguments that are equilly stupid).

[Darth Servo]

About time someone provided a video clip of Home One making its turn in ROTJ. I've been pointing that out to Trektards for sometime now to refute their nonsense about non-existant maneuvering of Wars Cap ships and of course they ignore it.

[Lord Poe]

Just a question, Mr. Poe:
From where did you got the picture of the "Trekkie"?

I think it's this guy

But those arguments - stuff like .5c torps and turning back into the asteroid field before latching on - please tell me you made those up...

Not at all. The original Usenet message can be found here

Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current, rec.arts.startrek.misc, rec.arts.startrek.tech, rec.arts.sf.starwars.misc
From: Stephen <sec...@psu.edu> - Find messages by this author
Date: 1997/03/03
Subject: Re: GALAXY CLASS STARSHIP vs IMPERIAL CLASS STAR DESTROYER

Daniel L. Taylor wrote:
> How do you dodge a torp traveling at 0.5c? By the time the guy in charge
> of scans says "They..." the torpedo has already hit!

You can say "To be or not to be" before the torp hits, as in ST6. You can look around
the room at your crewmates and mumble for a while as in ST7. You can also say "Warp speed
now!" and escape a torp that was fired at you, as was done in ST5. Dodging torps has been
done before, the writers have forgotten about this however.

Photon torps move slowly and are pretty weak. It took *five* direct hits to destroy an
*unshielded* scout ship in ST6. An ISD, without shields, could probably take hundreds of
these pesky little mosquitoes without much trouble. With the ISD's shields up, well, ST was
a cute little show.

BTW, Stephen was the guy that introduced the first "asteroid calcs" to the world.

And of course, when RSA isn't busy trying to be anti-Wong, he puts up bizarro-world equivalents to my pages. You can find a "rebuttal" page to this one on his website.

And yes, the Trekkie avatar is Napoleon Dynamite!

[Bounty]

Oy. He must have really weird concept of "light speed"

[Dooey Jo]

Oy. He must have really weird concept of "light speed"

Well they are called "Photon" torpedoes. Obviously they move at half the speed of light

Or maybe it's from the TM...

[Adrian Laguna]

About time someone provided a video clip of Home One making its turn in ROTJ. I've been pointing that out to Trektards for sometime now to refute their nonsense about non-existant maneuvering of Wars Cap ships and of course they ignore it.

I feel stupid, couldn't find the clip in Poe's site. Could anyone be so kind as to link to it?

[Darth Servo]

About time someone provided a video clip of Home One making its turn in ROTJ. I've been pointing that out to Trektards for sometime now to refute their nonsense about non-existant maneuvering of Wars Cap ships and of course they ignore it.

I feel stupid, couldn't find the clip in Poe's site. Could anyone be so kind as to link to it?

Scroll down to the bottom of the page. Its the link labeled 'falconturn6'

[AirshipFanboy]

ANH

LUKE: Why don't you outrun them? I thought you said this ship was fast!

LUKE: Are you kidding? At the rate they're gaining?

Mr. Poe, was the second line supposed to be said by Han? My copy of the novel doesn't have that exchange, so I can't check it myself, but it looked strange so I thought I'd mention something.

I think between those lines Han said something like
"Watch your mouth kid - your gonna find yourself floating home. We'll be safe enough once we make the jump to light speed."

Then there was some line about getting calculations from the Nav Computer before Luke's line.

[ngc7293]

Ok, I guess I will play the Village (trek) idiot for now.

Like the typical V-T-i, I will agree that the SW ships are very manueverable. They fly like WWII planes but in space.

I have always been used to trek ships being slow and cumbersome; even the shuttles.

However, I remember the E-D pulling some 90 degree manuever in an asteroid field using thrusters and I think a little bit of gravity. I'm not that much of a geek, so I don't know which episode that was. But it reminded me of Batman's grappling hook manuever (or even to a limited degree Automan)

Then there was the Trek movie. Again, I can't remember which one. It was the one with the Borg and the E-D going into the past after a Borg-Ball.

Anyway, just as the E-D arrived, there were several Trek ships performing manuevers which I thought they were not suppose to be able to perform. Once again, they were never seen before or since, so I suppose it was typical Writer's Block(head). So I am curious as to the local rhetoric (just give me a link if it's easier and has been talked about).

I also understand that even if in a Trek vs SW fight, the trek ships were sublight faster and more manueverable, the SW ship(s) would just have to fire one or two times and eventually destroy the flies.

[Bounty]

However, I remember the E-D pulling some 90 degree manuever in an asteroid field using thrusters and I think a little bit of gravity. I'm not that much of a geek, so I don't know which episode that was. But it reminded me of Batman's grappling hook manuever (or even to a limited degree Automan)

Booby Trap. While it did show some unusual manoevres, it wasn't particularly fast.

Then there was the Trek movie. Again, I can't remember which one. It was the one with the Borg and the E-D going into the past after a Borg-Ball.

First Contact, with the E-E and the Borg Sphere

Anyway, just as the E-D arrived, there were several Trek ships performing manuevers which I thought they were not suppose to be able to perform.

Let's see -

Defiant : yes, it dodges the cutting beam by swerving side-to-side, but that's not unusual for such a small ship.
Miranda class : does a 180° turn, IIRC, but not a very fast one.
The rest are not noticeably more agile then what we've seen in the series.

[Darth Hebrew]

man, i read that usenet, and i am rotflmao. I love the fact he tries to make it more "fair" by giving the Imps even more ships. Most of the captains will just be chilling laughing as a few ships wipe out the federation's fleet. 'snicker'

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