Kirk vs. Solo

Jack Bauer · Post by **Jack Bauer** » 2005-11-29 12:31am

In a quick draw and a bare knuckles fight, who'd win?

We saw Solo draw his blaster pretty quickly in TESB. He even got off a couple shots on a Sith Lord. Is there a comparable scene in the TOS where Kirk does this (barring the presence of Vader of course)?

We've also seen Kirk get in some pretty rough brawls. But we also saw Solo take on a scout trooper with his bare hands in ROTJ.

Superman · Post by **Superman** » 2005-11-29 01:06am

I'm tempted to say that Solo could probably out draw Kirk, but also that Kirk would probably beat the crap out of him in a fist fight.

Darth Quorthon · Post by **Darth Quorthon** » 2005-11-29 01:21am

Hasn't this already been done? The thread was something like "400 Quatloos on the Newcomer", right?

I think it would be a pretty good fight hand-to-hand. They both have won some pretty ridiculous fights. Although Spock always laid the smackdown on Kirk. In any case, I think it would be worth watching. Kirk was supposedly Starfleet Academy boxing champion his senior year, but I don't think there's any canon evidence to support this.

Kirk zapped that Klingon in ST3 pretty fast, but I believe he already had his phaser out. I've seen a number of debates on just how Solo was able to quick-draw on Vader, and for whatever reason, that's impressive. Solo in a quick draw easy.

Edward Yee · Post by **Edward Yee** » 2005-11-29 04:11am

This, probably more than a ship fight due to the inability to quantify the relevant factors, I consider to be dependent entirely on the circumstances. Who gets "the jump" -- not who draws first -- I figure to be the main deciding factor; who connects first?

That, and the factoid that (contrary to what a certain Mymirdon on strek-vs-swars was saying about Solo vs. stormtroopers*) both are the beneficiaries of that plot device that is "character shields."

That the nameless henchmen -- on both sides -- will fall to major characters who will be immune to them except when the plot calls for it is a given and (often) necessary for the plot. It's how the nameless henchmen perform against minor characters that determines their relative effectiveness, since it "always" drops to 0% against major characters.

* Hilarious POS yammering about stormtroopers supposedly sucking. The policy I adopt is that lower levels of canon fill in any gaps left by higher canon and which is not contradicted by higher canon, so "Ewoks pwned stormies in the movie!" and "stormies fought back and made the Ewoks pay" are not contradictory IMO. The above is refuting the idea of stormies missing vs. Solo somehow reflecting on them against other nameless henchmen or just nameless "masses."

avatarxprime · Post by **avatarxprime** » 2005-11-29 04:20am

I remember reading something about Solo being able to draw out his blaster in .5 seconds and Dash Rendar being just slightly behing at .75 sec. So in quick draw it's going to be Han. However, when it come to hand to hand I would think it would be pretty even, provided no one rips Kirk's shirt

avatarxprime · Post by **avatarxprime** » 2005-11-29 04:20am

*ghetto edit: "behing" should be "behind"

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2005-11-29 02:18pm

There was one Fett story in "Tales From The Bounty Hunters" where he watches Solo beat a number of opponents in a ring. But I have more of an image of Solo being about as good a brawler as Indiana Jones. I think Kirk would hand him his ass, franly.

As for a "fastdraw"? Solo easily. Han Solo's blaster looks like it outweighs a Federation phaser easily, and in "Spectre of the Gun", Kirk commented that they weren't used to handguns weighing so much, and would be easily gunned down by the Earps.

Solo was outdrawn once by the bounty hunter Gallandro; he shot Solo in the arm twice before Solo even cleared his holster.

Galvatron · Post by **Galvatron** » 2005-11-29 07:36pm

Kirk has that karate-chop-to-the-neck move that could knock out Goldberg.

A-Wing_Slash · Post by **A-Wing_Slash** » 2005-11-29 08:30pm

Solo can easily outdraw Kirk, but in a fistfight I'm not sure. I guess it would depend on their relative ages, the terrain, and who got the drop on the other. If I have to choose, I'd say Solo. But its close.

avatarxprime wrote:I remember reading something about Solo being able to draw out his blaster in .5 seconds and Dash Rendar being just slightly behing at .75 sec.

I think you may be misremembering this quote. If I recall, the Millenium Falcon has a .5 hyperdrive, whereas Dash Rendar's Outrider only has a .75 one. As I have never read anything about their respective draw times, I'd say that you confused those numbers with their ships.

avatarxprime · Post by **avatarxprime** » 2005-11-29 10:09pm

Possible, I just imed the friend who orginally got me that info and he doesn't remember anymore. Regardless, Solo still wins the quick draw. Didn't know about that "Tales of the Bounty Hunter" thing involving Han. Any chance of getting some more info on the opponents from someone with the book?

Imperial Overlord · Post by **Imperial Overlord** » 2005-11-29 10:18pm

Lord Poe wrote: Solo was outdrawn once by the bounty hunter Gallandro; he shot Solo in the arm twice before Solo even cleared his holster.

Gallandro was one of the best in the galaxy. Solo cleared the holster IIRC. His bolt went into the floor. And Solo was good enough to beat Uhl-Raa-Rashan, who had heard how good Solo was.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2005-11-29 11:26pm

This has been done Here

This is why I love the grudge match! b

The Silence and I · Post by **The Silence and I** » 2005-11-30 01:31am

I don't think we need to think long and hard before realizing Solo is most likely quite a bit faster with a gun.

On the other hand Kirk is one hell of a brawler, and able to take a beating that should put him into the hospital with concussions, neck and back injuries and more--in ST III, well past his prime! (The Klingon would have murdered a normal human based on what he did to Kirk, he kept getting back up though).

Han beats up a trooper. w00t? Kirk's long tale of tough fist fights needn't be recounted I think?

LordShaithis · Post by **LordShaithis** » 2005-12-03 01:36am

As an aside, back in the Dark Ages when I used AOL, I used to annoy a friend of mine by following her into religion/philosophy related chat rooms and asking the group "Who's better, Han Solo or Captain Kirk?"

This would immediately obliterate whatever the topic had been, and completely derail the discussion as everyone took sides. It almost always worked.

spongyblue · Post by **spongyblue** » 2005-12-03 09:16am

I think the real question is will Kirk's shirt get ripped before Solo's chin get's cut. Whoever gets the power boost first totaly trashes the other.

Solauren · Post by **Solauren** » 2005-12-03 01:57pm

Then we should start them off in just wrestling trunks and give them boxing gloves

Master Bob · Post by **Master Bob** » 2005-12-03 02:22pm

I think that Solo could whoop on Kirk. Kirk is crazy-strong when his shirt gets ripped, but Han has been in more bar-fights probably. Anyway, i can picture Han beating Kirk, but it would be close, who ever won.

JohnFourtyTwo · Post by **JohnFourtyTwo** » 2005-12-04 03:14am

My money is on Solo. He's spent most of his life on the run getting out of all kinds of scrapes and brawls. Kirk on the other hand has pretty much lived the good life. It's true he's had some hand-to-hand combat training but it was rarely put to use.

NRS Guardian · Post by **NRS Guardian** » 2005-12-06 12:45am

avatarxprime wrote:Possible, I just imed the friend who orginally got me that info and he doesn't remember anymore. Regardless, Solo still wins the quick draw. Didn't know about that "Tales of the Bounty Hunter" thing involving Han. Any chance of getting some more info on the opponents from someone with the book?

In the book Han (in his 20s) beats 3 men in a free-for-all arena match for which the only rules were no eye gouges and no hits to the throat or groin. They gang up on Solo and Solo wins, though the book doesn't describe how he did it. Solo's opponents are described as big bruisers, who have killed before and are taller than Solo.

The Grim Squeaker · Post by **The Grim Squeaker** » 2005-12-06 03:42am

NRS Guardian wrote: In the book Han (in his 20s) beats 3 men in a free-for-all arena match for which the only rules were no eye gouges and no hits to the throat or groin. They gang up on Solo and Solo wins, though the book doesn't describe how he did it. Solo's opponents are described as big bruisers, who have killed before and are taller than Solo.

Wasn't he under 20?
His other opponents also seemed to have been in the arena before (at least one of them had), and Even Boba Fett was impressed by him [Han]. (As in "I kill Rebel martial arts expert's in a dress for fun" EU Fett).

JediMaster415 · Post by **JediMaster415** » 2005-12-06 06:15am

NRS Guardian wrote:
avatarxprime wrote:Possible, I just imed the friend who orginally got me that info and he doesn't remember anymore. Regardless, Solo still wins the quick draw. Didn't know about that "Tales of the Bounty Hunter" thing involving Han. Any chance of getting some more info on the opponents from someone with the book?
In the book Han (in his 20s) beats 3 men in a free-for-all arena match for which the only rules were no eye gouges and no hits to the throat or groin. They gang up on Solo and Solo wins, though the book doesn't describe how he did it. Solo's opponents are described as big bruisers, who have killed before and are taller than Solo.

As a point of interest, Solo was 17 when he fought in Regional Sector Number Four's All-Human Free-For-All. He had five opponents, all killers. The crime he commited that got him on the fighting roster was a surprising felony: hhe cheated at cards. Still, he won, albeit with injuries but that's expected.

NRS Guardian · Post by **NRS Guardian** » 2005-12-06 11:42pm

JediMaster415 wrote: As a point of interest, Solo was 17 when he fought in Regional Sector Number Four's All-Human Free-For-All. He had five opponents, all killers. The crime he commited that got him on the fighting roster was a surprising felony: hhe cheated at cards. Still, he won, albeit with injuries but that's expected.

Can I ask where you got that info? Because the book itself, which I have, said there were 4 fighters total, including Solo. The book says Solo was just out of his teens so I figured he had to be at least 20. If this stuff got retconned I understand, what with half of that tale needing to be retconned due to the new info about Fett in AotC and the newer EU.

JediMaster415 · Post by **JediMaster415** » 2005-12-07 05:56am

NRS Guardian wrote:
JediMaster415 wrote: As a point of interest, Solo was 17 when he fought in Regional Sector Number Four's All-Human Free-For-All. He had five opponents, all killers. The crime he commited that got him on the fighting roster was a surprising felony: hhe cheated at cards. Still, he won, albeit with injuries but that's expected.
Can I ask where you got that info? Because the book itself, which I have, said there were 4 fighters total, including Solo. The book says Solo was just out of his teens so I figured he had to be at least 20. If this stuff got retconned I understand, what with half of that tale needing to be retconned due to the new info about Fett in AotC and the newer EU.

There may have been four fighters. I skimmed the book on that part. I was only looking for the name of the fight.

However, in Paradise Snare, Han is nineteen and after Ylesia, he goes almost immediately into the Academy, with only brief stop offs on Togoria and Corellia before heading to Coruscant. No mention of Jubilar.

When we first meet Dewlanna, Han mentions that he met her nearly ten years previous, when he was nine.

Using the timeline in the front of the books, I've figured that Han was about 31-32 at the time of the Battle of Hoth. Tales from the Bounty Hunters says that took place fifteen years after the Free-For-All.

Vicious · Post by **Vicious** » 2005-12-07 04:52pm

Plus, think of the fact that the Jubilar took place while Han still lived with Garris Shrike. He escaped Garris before he hit 20, and we know that the Jubilar was a few years before, so him being 13-15 works just fine. And there were only four opponents, IIRC, and they were all older and larger than he was.

As to where I'd vote: Solo, but by a slim margin if it's unarmed. Armed with a gun, Solo wastes Kirk.

wilfulton · Post by **wilfulton** » 2005-12-09 12:07am

Quick Draw: Solo, solo seems pretty good on the quick draw, and he appears to have a holster intended specifically for that purpose. Kirk may be able to draw quickly, but I think Solo could out draw him.

Fist Fight: Kirk Fu is no match for a good Wookie at your side. After Chewey finishes ripping off Spocks arms and beating him to a bloody pulp with them, he proceeds to do the same to Kirk. He and Solo exchange high fives and go about their business.