SW bloopers

[Srynerson]

Bloopers I recall:
In a few shots you can still see expelled shell casings (or whatever they are, they used blanks) from the trooper rifles used in ANH.

Also in some scenes in ESB as discussed in the Han/Mal/Apollo quickdraw thread.

How did Luke and Obi-Wan get their clothes back after the garbage masher scene in ANH? Did the stormtrooper boots really fit over their original boots?

(emphasis added)

Would this be a meta-blooper?

[Dorsk 81]

When Anakin, Obi and Palpatine are hanging in the lift shaft and Obi tells them to jump, Palpatine lets go of Anakin's leg and you see them sliding down, and Palpatine looks to me like he's out of reach of Anakin's leg, yet after Obi and Anakin throw their grappling hooks and it cuts back to a shot of them sliding down the shaft, he's holding on to it again.

[Kurgan]

Bloopers I recall:
In a few shots you can still see expelled shell casings (or whatever they are, they used blanks) from the trooper rifles used in ANH.

Also in some scenes in ESB as discussed in the Han/Mal/Apollo quickdraw thread.

How did Luke and Obi-Wan get their clothes back after the garbage masher scene in ANH? Did the stormtrooper boots really fit over their original boots?

(emphasis added)

Would this be a meta-blooper?

My bad, I meant Luke and Han... you know.. Obi-Han.

[Kurgan]

Kurgan, wern't most of these resolved in the DVDs?

Nope.

A small explosion appears in a crevice of an asteroid ahead of the Falcon as it is pursued by TIE Fighters, yet we see no cause (like a laser blast) for the explosion in ESB.

Nope, watch this scene again. A very small asteriod can be seen entering the larger asteroid's crevice and then exploding.

So was this asteroid loaded with TNT?

Several instances of the shadow of a lightsaber blade is visible, such as in ROTJ (final duel between Vader and Luke) and in ROTS (during the duel with Count Dooku).

Aren't lightsabers supposed to cast shadows?

You tell me! That's why I listed this one under "Possibly bloopers, depending on how you view the Star Wars Universe".

[Cykeisme]

The blade itself shouldn't, since it emits light (does a lightbulb cast a shadow?).

What? Yes, lightbulbs cast shadows. So do candle flames.

[Kurgan]

I remember something about a blooper guide I found on the internet years ago, probably about 1998. My Google-fu is strong today (actually it wasn't that hard) and I was able to find this site.

It has pictures, but unfortunately it only has bloopers for the original trilogy and TPM. Apparently hasn't been updated for some time.

Great site, I missed a lot of those myself.

[Tychu]

The blade itself shouldn't, since it emits light (does a lightbulb cast a shadow?).

What? Yes, lightbulbs cast shadows. So do candle flames.

a lightsaber will only cast a shadow if theres a light around that is brighter than the lightsabers emiting light.

[Kurgan]

Kind of unrelated, but I read someplace that Lowry Digital only got 3 months to work on the OT DVD set (one month per movie). If true, that might explain why they didn't have time to correct their mistakes (or do more to correct any existing gaffes).

[Elheru Aran]

Kind of unrelated, but I read someplace that Lowry Digital only got 3 months to work on the OT DVD set (one month per movie). If true, that might explain why they didn't have time to correct their mistakes (or do more to correct any existing gaffes).

Lowry Digital? Don't you mean ILM?

[FSTargetDrone]

A small explosion appears in a crevice of an asteroid ahead of the Falcon as it is pursued by TIE Fighters, yet we see no cause (like a laser blast) for the explosion in ESB.

Nope, watch this scene again. A very small asteriod can be seen entering the larger asteroid's crevice and then exploding.

So was this asteroid loaded with TNT?

Probably not any more so than in 2 other incidents where other smaller bodies collide and brightly explode, including 2 smaller objects that explode, merge and create a brightly glowing object.

Perhaps one or more of these bodies are composed of some sort of material that ignites when they collide?

It is clearly not a "blooper," however they ignite. We can clearly see the smaller body impacting the larger and then explode into a fireball. So I think it's safe to assume that for whatever reason, the collision of these bodies results in an igniton and explosion for some reason not due to outside forces such as a blaster bolt or whatever. I don't know exactly why they explode, but the "cause" must be resultant from whatever they are composed of. It may be nonsense scientifically, but it's not a "blooper."

One example in the sequence below:













I'll spare everyone more images, but here and in the incident first mentioned and another following this one, there is no weapons' fire visible, just the collision of the various objects that result in bright explosions of various size and intensity.

Not bloopers.

[Dooey Jo]

What? Yes, lightbulbs cast shadows. So do candle flames.

Actually, candle flames do not cast shadows. A flame, apart from the fact that it's glowing, has much the same optical properties as air (which is what it's mostly made of). The candle wick, however (obviously) can cast a shadow.


I did a lot of experimentation with light as a kid

[Spanky The Dolphin]

Kind of unrelated, but I read someplace that Lowry Digital only got 3 months to work on the OT DVD set (one month per movie). If true, that might explain why they didn't have time to correct their mistakes (or do more to correct any existing gaffes).

Lowry Digital? Don't you mean ILM?

He means Lowry Digitial, because they did the restoration for the films.

[FSTargetDrone]

Kind of unrelated, but I read someplace that Lowry Digital only got 3 months to work on the OT DVD set (one month per movie). If true, that might explain why they didn't have time to correct their mistakes (or do more to correct any existing gaffes).

Lowry Digital? Don't you mean ILM?

He means Lowry Digitial, because they did the restoration for the films.

Why wouldn't ILM do this in-house? Surely it's not a question of money, as far as Lucas is concerned. Perhaps ILM was busy with the prequel work?

[Kurgan]

Kind of unrelated, but I read someplace that Lowry Digital only got 3 months to work on the OT DVD set (one month per movie). If true, that might explain why they didn't have time to correct their mistakes (or do more to correct any existing gaffes).

Lowry Digital? Don't you mean ILM?

No, I mean Lowry Digital. I have no idea how much time ILM spent on the set (originally I assumed they simply delegated to LD, but I've since heard that wasn't entirely the case; so I figured it was sort of like how LucasArts deals with the companies they contract to create games for them). Unless the source was in error and got them confused. Somebody didn't spend much time on the set. Either that, or they were just incompetent.

Again, I compare it to the situation with LucasArts. Sure, you can blame the development team for screwing up a product... and you can blame the host company for giving them impossible deadlines or denying the resources, communications screw ups, etc. (and them failing to own up to mistakes, like the audio problem). I think they did a bang up job on the restoration (even if they they made the movies have a "digital" rather than film look, which many purists are upset about; the reasoning being they wanted the look and pallete of the films to "match" Episodes II and III on DVD), where they fell down was the sound and the color timing script. The movie changes and lack of desired features were typical Lucas, they may not be entirely the fault of LD, but still.

[Kurgan]

Nope, watch this scene again. A very small asteriod can be seen entering the larger asteroid's crevice and then exploding.

So was this asteroid loaded with TNT?

Probably not any more so than in 2 other incidents where other smaller bodies collide and brightly explode, including 2 smaller objects that explode, merge and create a brightly glowing object.

Perhaps one or more of these bodies are composed of some sort of material that ignites when they collide?

It is clearly not a "blooper," however they ignite. We can clearly see the smaller body impacting the larger and then explode into a fireball. So I think it's safe to assume that for whatever reason, the collision of these bodies results in an igniton and explosion for some reason not due to outside forces such as a blaster bolt or whatever. I don't know exactly why they explode, but the "cause" must be resultant from whatever they are composed of. It may be nonsense scientifically, but it's not a "blooper."

One example in the sequence below:

[snip images of asteroid impacting falcon's shields/shot by falcon's guns]

I'll spare everyone more images, but here and in the incident first mentioned and another following this one, there is no weapons' fire visible, just the collision of the various objects that result in bright explosions of various size and intensity.

Not bloopers.

I have no problem accepting that asteroids can explode brightly when they impact a sci fi "energy" deflector screen. It's when two ROCKS collide, at apparent low speed and make a bright bang like that, that looks like a blooper to me. When have we ever seen such a thing happen again in the entire series? Not in the prequels!

[Noble Ire]

I have no problem accepting that asteroids can explode brightly when they impact a sci fi "energy" deflector screen. It's when two ROCKS collide, at apparent low speed and make a bright bang like that, that looks like a blooper to me. When have we ever seen such a thing happen again in the entire series? Not in the prequels!

Scientificially valid or not, the effect was most certainly intentional, thus it was not a Blooper. Its as simple as that.

[FSTargetDrone]

I have no problem accepting that asteroids can explode brightly when they impact a sci fi "energy" deflector screen. It's when two ROCKS collide, at apparent low speed and make a bright bang like that, that looks like a blooper to me. When have we ever seen such a thing happen again in the entire series? Not in the prequels!

Or when they are shot to pieces by blaster fire and missile hits! And that's a real problem to have when, as I think you imply, the rocky bodies in the OT exhibit different behavior than the ones on the PT... There isn't one moment I can think of in the Jango/Boba Fett and Obi-Wan chase near Geonosis where there's any sort of explosions of rocky bodies, and I think we can agree that there's a heck of a lot more firepower being thrown around from Jango's weapons... Many of those rocky bodies are pulverized and chunks of various size collide with each other with no explosive results.

I guess I was thinking you meant a technical error (special effects artifacts visible on screen) when you referred to bloopers, as when the Falcon is entering the asteroid field and first maneuvers around some asteroids. From the side (in widescreen) you can see a strange whitish "flaring" on the left side of the screen.

I suppose we could rationalize an in-universe explanation with the TESB asteroid field "explosions" resulting from collisons because they may be a different kide of rock that is rather explosive!

[Spanky The Dolphin]

Lowry Digital? Don't you mean ILM?

He means Lowry Digitial, because they did the restoration for the films.

Why wouldn't ILM do this in-house? Surely it's not a question of money, as far as Lucas is concerned. Perhaps ILM was busy with the prequel work?

Because ILM is a visual effects company, idiot. They don't do film restoration work.

[FSTargetDrone]

He means Lowry Digitial, because they did the restoration for the films.

Why wouldn't ILM do this in-house? Surely it's not a question of money, as far as Lucas is concerned. Perhaps ILM was busy with the prequel work?

Because ILM is a visual effects company, idiot. They don't do film restoration work.

Touché.

[Sharp-kun]

Weren't the imperial rank insignia's on the wrong side in the final chase of ESB?

[Wyrm]

What? Yes, lightbulbs cast shadows. So do candle flames.

Actually, candle flames do not cast shadows. A flame, apart from the fact that it's glowing, has much the same optical properties as air (which is what it's mostly made of). The candle wick, however (obviously) can cast a shadow.


I did a lot of experimentation with light as a kid

From which we can deduce the electron density of the candle flame is less than 7.049e10 electrons per cm^3.

Plasmas are generally speaking opaque (which is why their radiation profile is well-approximated by blackbody curves), but EM radiation penetrates some distance into the plasma, called the plasma skin depth. This depths goes as one over the square root of the electron density of the plasma. This is why you can see through a candle flame, a very weak plasma, even though the radiation curve is well-approximated by a blackbody.

The same can't be said for lightsaber blades. That these blades can sever many (very durable) materials makes it very likely that the plasma has a high energy, which leads to greater electron density, therefore smaller plasma depth and therefore greater opacity. It can therefore possible for a lightsaber blade to cast shadows.

So the shadow could be a blooper, or it could be a detail. Though if lightsaber blades alternately do or don't cast shadows, someone messed up somewhere regardless.

[Spanky The Dolphin]

Weren't the imperial rank insignia's on the wrong side in the final chase of ESB?

In one shot, yes. That was corrected for the DVD release.

[Kurgan]

I have no problem accepting that asteroids can explode brightly when they impact a sci fi "energy" deflector screen. It's when two ROCKS collide, at apparent low speed and make a bright bang like that, that looks like a blooper to me. When have we ever seen such a thing happen again in the entire series? Not in the prequels!

Or when they are shot to pieces by blaster fire and missile hits! And that's a real problem to have when, as I think you imply, the rocky bodies in the OT exhibit different behavior than the ones on the PT... There isn't one moment I can think of in the Jango/Boba Fett and Obi-Wan chase near Geonosis where there's any sort of explosions of rocky bodies, and I think we can agree that there's a heck of a lot more firepower being thrown around from Jango's weapons... Many of those rocky bodies are pulverized and chunks of various size collide with each other with no explosive results.

I guess I was thinking you meant a technical error (special effects artifacts visible on screen) when you referred to bloopers, as when the Falcon is entering the asteroid field and first maneuvers around some asteroids. From the side (in widescreen) you can see a strange whitish "flaring" on the left side of the screen.

I suppose we could rationalize an in-universe explanation with the TESB asteroid field "explosions" resulting from collisons because they may be a different kide of rock that is rather explosive!

Again with the rationalizing!

My reply would be we don't see any shield impacts or vaporizations in the AOTC scene (except maybe that giant explosion from the missile, which we can't really make out what's going on inside it because it's so big). When we have a turbolaser blast an asteroid so apparently nothing is left, that's it getting "vaporized." (or turned into barely visible dust, whatever) Likewise shield impacts seem to produce this same (or similar) effect. But weaker weapons like those used by Jango's ship that merely shatter asteroids seem plausible enough.

I think you're saying it's more along the lines of the fact that different people worked on one movie (ESB) vs. the other (AOTC). Sort of like how the Lightsabers in each of the movies are slightly different from each other, and yet they're often supposed to be the same model and at the very least, same physical concepts.

Yes, I was thinking technical error because they made this object explode as if it were a "laser blast" when in fact it was just another rock. I'm not the first one to point this out, either.

Edit: Actually, it seems to behave more like a TIE "bomb" now that I think about it. But there doesn't seem to be any reason why a bomb would be head of the chase (and no TIE Bombers in sight).

[Cykeisme]

Oh, did anyone mention that in Plo Koon's death scene, the interior cockpit shot shows him sitting in an Eta-2, whereas the outside shots show him in a Delta-7?


Ah, and thanks to Dooey Jo and Wyrm for the clarification on the optical characteristics of candle flames

[Master Bob]

Bloopers I recall:


Harrison Ford grabs Carrie Fisher's breast in ROTJ in the bunker scene.

Like hell is this a blooper. Don't tell me that you wouldn't try to cop a feel.

I totally do not remember that. Was this when they were inside the bunker, or the scene outside where Leia is shot?