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Faram · Post by **Faram** » 2005-12-05 03:42am

http://thewaronfaith.com/

Going through his fan mail section, god I love him.

WyrdNyrd · Post by **WyrdNyrd** » 2005-12-05 04:04am

Interestingly enough, the firewall at the company I'm working at, labels this site as "URL Categories: Political Extreme / Hate / Discrimination", so I can't view it.

Just how extreme is this site? Does he recommend burning fundies on their own crosses? Or is the firewall provider acting like a anti-atheist bigot itself?

Lord Zentei · Post by **Lord Zentei** » 2005-12-05 04:44am

Well, the site has this label on its front page:

Warning:

Adult thoughts presented with adult language.

Welcome to The War On Faith. Faith is believing something as fact when you have no logical reason to do so. Stamping out the frighteningly popular misconceptions about faith and the faithful is the duty of every person who considers ignorance bad enough in and of itself without people wearing it like a badge of honor. All persons clear of mind and strong of heart are welcome to peruse these musings about the faithful sheep and some of their shepherds.

And its mascot seems to be a skull smoking a stogie.

However, he then goes on to say:

Mission Statement

The War On Faith is not intended to be a sword. It is, instead, intended to be a shield. The title of this site is a sarcastic jab at the Religious Right's favored babe, the so-called War On Drugs.

The purpose of this site is not to divide, harass, defame, nor insult any religion, group of religious people, or individual persons for their faith alone. The purpose is simply to defend free thinking individuals from the constant, barbaric attacks upon logic, science, constitutionally guaranteed rights from those self-serving, mindless, inconsiderate dolts who, with their preferred "holy writ" in hand, openly, publicly, and with evident impunity, besiege the non-religious with all the might and fervor they can muster.

It is not the religious person who is offensive, but the disgusting way in which religion can be used by some "Religious Leaders" to erase all compassion and consideration away from its followers. It's not faith itself that is sickening, but the burden of being attacked by so many of the faithful for nothing more than being different from them.

The purpose of this site is not to change other people, but to be ever vigilant in resisting the obsession so many of "the faithful" have with attempting to change everyone else and force them under their favorite religion's yoke. There are millions of Americans out there who would love nothing more than the establishment of a theocracy in this country and they are organized, driven, and persistent in their efforts to accomplish that goal.

It is the position of The War On Faith that no person has the right to harass and assail another person solely because of their religious beliefs. or lack thereof. What can be more offensive than espousing the belief that any person must conform to the whims and fancies of another's favored brand of religious dogma? Any person who insults, degrades, and belittles people of different religious beliefs is open to sarcastic, caustic, and hostile reciprocation, and that is what The War On Faith just happens to excel at. Defending the free-thinking mind against the unholy onslaught of so many religious zealots with all resources at hand is exactly what this site aims to accomplish.

If you are a religious person who believes in "Live and let live" then you are in no way targeted by this site. "Live and let live" is our undying creed. You may dance nekkid in your front yard with your face painted purple while praying to your shrubberies and you will hear no complaints from us.

However, you religious readers may just be shocked by how rude, condescending, intrusive, judgmental, abrasive and un-informed some of your fellow believers can be. The War On Faith wishes you nothing but peace, but if you are the type of religious hypocrite who destroys other people's peace with open hostility and intolerance, then you will find no lack of desire, nor ability, in The War On Faith to vehemently repel you with extreme prejudice, malice and forethought in such a manner as to make the vengeance of the Old Testament God look like the work of a weak-willed, docile, passive pansy.

If you leave the heathens alone, then the heathens will leave you alone. It's that simple.

And makes arguments against all the usual anti-reason asshattery with points like faith over science in medicine, "returning" faith into government, etc. with plenty of foul language for flavour. Frankly, I can't see it as any worse than SDN, so I'd say it is your firewall company that are being idiots.

Zero · Post by **Zero** » 2005-12-05 04:56am

This site isn't exactly tame, but it's something that won't be a problem to most anyone except young children, who most parents wouldn't want cursing all the damned time. It's not really hateful towards anyone that doesn't deserve it.

Solauren · Post by **Solauren** » 2005-12-05 07:36am

The firewall is probably looking for keywords the website includes in it's metatag header.

Some firewalls are really, really 'sensitive' for stuff like that

Lord Zentei · Post by **Lord Zentei** » 2005-12-05 11:49am

Solauren wrote:The firewall is probably looking for keywords the website includes in it's metatag header.

Some firewalls are really, really 'sensitive' for stuff like that

I wonder why it apparently doesn't block SDN then...

Eleas · Post by **Eleas** » 2005-12-05 12:16pm

I'm not sure I buy the old "legions of witches were burnt at the stake" chestnut, as recent studies have shown it to be an exaggerated (though still horrific) situation. But I do like the site.

Eleas · Post by **Eleas** » 2005-12-05 12:54pm

Having read it through a bit more, I can say that I'm not as positively inclined toward this guy as I was a moment ago. He seems painfully dogmatic and comes across as biased in that he seems to cherry-pick his information.

For one, his idea of shoving the American brand of freedom down the collective throat of the rest of the world is as insulting as it is ridiculous -- besides displaying a truly amazing cultural myopia, he really seems to think a people forced into that sort of regime by a hated enemy would willingly embrace it. That is a truly moronic conceit, and evidence of the same sort of "either-or" inflexibility "The War on Faith" purportedly wishes to combat.

Eris · Post by **Eris** » 2005-12-05 02:00pm

Eleas wrote:I'm not sure I buy the old "legions of witches were burnt at the stake" chestnut, as recent studies have shown it to be an exaggerated (though still horrific) situation. But I do like the site.

Can you point me in the direction of these studies? As far as I know we're still working on the assumption that a couple million men and women were executed in various ways for witchcraft.

As for the site... I haven't read it yet. I have a term paper to work on and don't have all that much time to focus on any one thing. It's made me giggle though just by looking at it. Besides the smoking skull sections like Men of Gawd and What The Fuck? just make for an amused Eris. Of course, I've ne'er been known for my kindness towards religion so I'm well disposed to being amused by something like this.

Eleas · Post by **Eleas** » 2005-12-05 02:32pm

Eris wrote: Can you point me in the direction of these studies? As far as I know we're still working on the assumption that a couple million men and women were executed in various ways for witchcraft.

Crap, I may have spoken too soon. My data was incomplete; it was a patchwork picture of some recent books here (the one by Jan Guillou, "Häxornas försvarare", comes to mind), but it dealt mainly with how it was done in Sweden, where the numbers had apparently been exaggerated. Otherwise it's sometimes difficult to separate fact from agenda -- like the neo-pagans desperately looking for a persecution complex while overlooking valid historical facts, and (it seems) that secular institutions were rather more draconian than their church counterparts around the time of the Great Hunt.

Eris wrote:As for the site... I haven't read it yet. I have a term paper to work on and don't have all that much time to focus on any one thing. It's made me giggle though just by looking at it. Besides the smoking skull sections like Men of Gawd and What The Fuck? just make for an amused Eris. Of course, I've ne'er been known for my kindness towards religion so I'm well disposed to being amused by something like this.

I'm not well disposed to uncritical thought, particularly not from my own side. People opposing my viewpoint do, after all, have the excuse of being wrong.

LordShaithis · Post by **LordShaithis** » 2005-12-05 03:49pm

Back in the day I used to have a number of friends/acquaintances (both online and off) who were neo-pagans of one stripe or another. A few of them used to annoy the shit out of me by claiming that the historical "witch" burnings were examples of their religion being persecuted. Pointing out that it was basically Christians going apeshit and lighting other Christians on fire never seemed to faze them.

Eris · Post by **Eris** » 2005-12-05 04:13pm

LordShaithis wrote:Back in the day I used to have a number of friends/acquaintances (both online and off) who were neo-pagans of one stripe or another. A few of them used to annoy the shit out of me by claiming that the historical "witch" burnings were examples of their religion being persecuted. Pointing out that it was basically Christians going apeshit and lighting other Christians on fire never seemed to faze them.

Oh gods, tell me about it. So many of them don't even realise that their religions didn't exist until extremely recent times. Their rantings about their touchy-feely happy wai wai sugar heart communes oft make me want to vomit, and this on top of that persecution complex the size of the HMS Hood.

The really scary ones go even beyond that though; they're the ones that really buy into the whole magic (or magick as they often insist) thing. I had a girlfriend once that really believed (or claimed to believe) that she could conjure up lightning. Needless to say that was a relationship that lasted all of three months. Would have been shorter but she was something of a looker and was spectacular on the physical end of things. I feel shallow now. >.<

Erm, anyway.

Eleas wrote: I'm not well disposed to uncritical thought, particularly not from my own side. People opposing my viewpoint do, after all, have the excuse of being wrong. Razz

Can I quote you on that? You made me snort tea up my nose. And as for that book you mentioned, it looks like it's in Swedish, which I don't speak more than a few random profanities and odd words in. (I was chatting with a friend from Sweden and we got on the subject of all the profantiy/mundane word mixes in Swedish and Norwegian... People fucking (fixing) cars and going outside to fuck in the snow (have a snowball fight)). So, I'll have to do without for now.

If you do find anything in English or Japanese, point it in my direction; I'd be interested to read it.

Faram · Post by **Faram** » 2005-12-05 04:23pm

Eris wrote:And as for that book you mentioned, it looks like it's in Swedish, which I don't speak more than a few random profanities and odd words in. (I was chatting with a friend from Sweden and we got on the subject of all the profantiy/mundane word mixes in Swedish and Norwegian... People fucking (fixing) cars and going outside to fuck in the snow (have a snowball fight)). So, I'll have to do without for now.

If you do find anything in English or Japanese, point it in my direction; I'd be interested to read it.

That book is "Defender of the witches" and I do not think it is translated.

It brings up some old witch hunts and compare it to morden day witch hunts.

But I think it is rather crappy.

Eleas · Post by **Eleas** » 2005-12-05 04:24pm

Eris wrote: Can I quote you on that? You made me snort tea up my nose.

By all means, the first quotes are always free. It's when you're shaking from withdrawal and begging me for more fun stuff that I'll start charging you.

Eris wrote:And as for that book you mentioned, it looks like it's in Swedish, which I don't speak more than a few random profanities and odd words in. (I was chatting with a friend from Sweden and we got on the subject of all the profantiy/mundane word mixes in Swedish and Norwegian... People fucking (fixing) cars and going outside to fuck in the snow (have a snowball fight)). So, I'll have to do without for now.

If you do find anything in English or Japanese, point it in my direction; I'd be interested to read it.

To be quite honest, I'm not overly convinced about Guillou's veracity, and I've looked for translations on his book; however, while most of his other works have international relevance, this one centers mostly on Sweden and Norway. I doubt it'll ever get translated, and sadly I've read few other dissertions on the subject.

AniThyng · Post by **AniThyng** » 2005-12-05 09:33pm

I was fine with the site until I got to that whole "Bomb Saddam" bit. He might be using hyperbole, but he seems to have gotten Iraq confused with Afganistan.

I don't get it though. He's also got a whole page devoted to cussing the hell out of Bush and Gore and just about every politician in the US of A and on and on about how people get the government they deserve, and he still wants to go and bring "freedom" and "democracy" to the rest of us at fucking gunpoint?

Jeez.

[Offhand, I bet this guy would really hate to have a roadside cross memorial put up for him should the unfortunate happen

]

LordShaithis · Post by **LordShaithis** » 2005-12-06 12:30am

Eris wrote:Oh gods, tell me about it. So many of them don't even realise that their religions didn't exist until extremely recent times. Their rantings about their touchy-feely happy wai wai sugar heart communes oft make me want to vomit, and this on top of that persecution complex the size of the HMS Hood.

Well to avoid painting with too wide a brush, I should point out that plenty of those I knew didn't care how old their religion was, nor did they feel particularly persecuted. But then there were the others, those who came off with an attitude which I would have understood coming from a Holocaust survivor, but which sounded insane coming from a comfortable suburban kid making reference to some shit that happened in the Dark Ages.

The really scary ones go even beyond that though; they're the ones that really buy into the whole magic (or magick as they often insist) thing. I had a girlfriend once that really believed (or claimed to believe) that she could conjure up lightning.

I knew someone online who seemed to quite genuinely believe that she could heal wounds with her hands, like a Dungeons & Dragons spell or something. Or perhaps not. Because when I described the Randi Prize to her, suddenly she had an out.

Apparently the gods, or whatever, wouldn't like her using her ability to win money or fame. When I pointed out that she could arrange beforehand to compete anonymously and have the money donated to charity, well, she had no real answer.

Needless to say that was a relationship that lasted all of three months. Would have been shorter but she was something of a looker and was spectacular on the physical end of things. I feel shallow now. >.<

You're only human, and the hot/crazy types are hard to resist.

Metatwaddle · Post by **Metatwaddle** » 2005-12-07 01:13am

I liked this part best.

OoooPRiNCEoooo: why do you push away something that wants to love you so much?
NoGodHere: HEHEHEHEHEHE dunno, I suppose you could ask the same question to women who fight against their rapists.

Faqa · Post by **Faqa** » 2005-12-07 02:10pm

I forsee a quick turnaround in admiration once people get around to reading his "Domestic Violence" article.

And further, he's in noise overload. Way too much venom to be believable. It's a funny read, though.