Does Star Trek Have Any Chance AT ALL?!

[OmegaGuy]

Star Trek could win if you give them special handicaps, like give them all of their lost and one - shot tech, give them time to prepare, make them all ally with each other, give them intelligence on the Empire etc., even then it would be a long shot.

Also there are a few uber races in ST like the Q etc that could beat the Empire.

But the Federation and Alpha Quadrant would have no chance, the Dominion and Borg would die, even if the Borg were competent they would still die. Possibly the Kelvins might have a chance but we don't know much about them, however they seem to own an entire galaxy.

[Waddles McGee]

Star Trek could win if you give them special handicaps, like give them all of their lost and one - shot tech, give them time to prepare, make them all ally with each other, give them intelligence on the Empire etc., even then it would be a long shot.

Also there are a few uber races in ST like the Q etc that could beat the Empire.

But the Federation and Alpha Quadrant would have no chance, the Dominion and Borg would die, even if the Borg were competent they would still die. Possibly the Kelvins might have a chance but we don't know much about them, however they seem to own an entire galaxy.

There is no amount of time in the UNIVERSE for Star Trek to prepare for the empire. The Empire's Tech would advance as well, meaning the Star Trek universe would be in the same situation.

[Waddles McGee]

Also there are a few uber races in ST like the Q etc that could beat the Empire.

Palpatine would dispatch the Q before they got a chance. Besides, who says the Q would get involved? Did they stop the borg at Wolf 359? Noooo. How bout in First Contact? Nope. Star Trek Nemisis? Not that I remember. Q actially introduced the Borg to the federation, so if anything Q would make it worse.

And don't even start with that "Q would have no puppets" thing, because he would probably move to a different galaxy and find another race to pick on.

Another thing, don't do the "Q likes Picard" thing. Q does, but I don't think Nearly enough to save the entire Star Trek galaxy. He'd most likely be booted out of the Continuim for such a thing.

Emperor Brandon
P.S. Sorry For the double post, and I don't mean to sound like a raving cocktard.

[Vicious]

Also there are a few uber races in ST like the Q etc that could beat the Empire.

Palpatine would dispatch the Q before they got a chance.

Please prove this statement. Whatever we make of Q's powers, he is apparently vastly superior to Palpatine when he wants to be (keeping Picard alive on a primordial Earth, moving the Enterprise thousands of lightyears with a flick of the wrist, teleporting around without apparent effort).

Yes, the Empire would win, but no, they probably couldn't do shit to the Q if the Q really wanted them gone. The thing is, the Q have a standing policy of non-interference (except for Q himself, and he has yet to pull the Federation's ass out of the fire, despite numerous major crises), and would likely not give a damn, so they are a non-factor.

[Bounty]

Palpatine would dispatch the Q before they got a chance.

This won't be pretty...

Besides, who says the Q would get involved? Did they stop the borg at Wolf 359? Noooo. How bout in First Contact? Nope. Star Trek Nemisis? Not that I remember.

Did he need to ? Picard & co seemed to handle those just fine. He *did* intervene in All Good Things, afterall.

Q actially introduced the Borg to the federation, so if anything Q would make it worse.

But when Q gave the Federation a kick in the nuts at J-25, they started building the warships that would help them defeat the Dominion later on, and prepare them for more Borg assaults. He did them a favour.

[Waddles McGee]

Also there are a few uber races in ST like the Q etc that could beat the Empire.

Palpatine would dispatch the Q before they got a chance.

Please prove this statement. Whatever we make of Q's powers, he is apparently vastly superior to Palpatine when he wants to be (keeping Picard alive on a primordial Earth, moving the Enterprise thousands of lightyears with a flick of the wrist, teleporting around without apparent effort).

Yes, the Empire would win, but no, they probably couldn't do shit to the if the Q really wanted them gone. The thing is, the Q have a standing policy of non-interference (except for Q himself, and he has yet to pull the Federation's ass out of the fire, despite numerous major crises), and would likely not give a damn, so they are a non-factor.

Point taken. I withdraw that statement.

Did he need to ? Picard & co seemed to handle those just fine. He *did* intervene in All Good Things, afterall.

No. He didn't need to intervene in All Good Things, either. He could have just watched them squirm.

But when Q gave the Federation a kick in the nuts at J-25, they started building the warships that would help them defeat the Dominion later on, and prepare them for more Borg assaults. He did them a favour.

Either way you put it, it's best labled as "A blessing in disguise".

So, you are right, but wrong at the same time. The Borg Probably wouldn't have found out about the Federation's exsistence for about 2-10 Years(Could be wrong, considering the massive amounts of cubes in the Delta-Quadrant. They could have possibly millions of smaller class scout vessels.), which *might* mean they might work out better technologies.

But, given what we have seen of the Federation in the past, development might take just as long.

Emperor Brandon

[Bounty]

The Borg Probably wouldn't have found out about the Federation's exsistence for about 2-10 Years(Could be wrong, considering the massive amounts of cubes in the Delta-Quadrant. They could have possibly millions of smaller class scout vessels.),

Yes they would - they told themselves to go to the Alpha Quadrant in Regeneration. Well, future Borg stuck in the past sent the message to their past selfs - or something...

The point is that the Borg would've come anyway, and Q did humanity a favour by giving them a small scare and getting their asses into gear.

[OmegaGuy]

Also there are a few uber races in ST like the Q etc that could beat the Empire.

Palpatine would dispatch the Q before they got a chance. Besides, who says the Q would get involved? Did they stop the borg at Wolf 359? Noooo. How bout in First Contact? Nope. Star Trek Nemisis? Not that I remember. Q actially introduced the Borg to the federation, so if anything Q would make it worse.

And don't even start with that "Q would have no puppets" thing, because he would probably move to a different galaxy and find another race to pick on.

Another thing, don't do the "Q likes Picard" thing. Q does, but I don't think Nearly enough to save the entire Star Trek galaxy. He'd most likely be booted out of the Continuim for such a thing.

Emperor Brandon
P.S. Sorry For the double post, and I don't mean to sound like a raving cocktard.

I never said they would, in fact they probably wouldn't care, but if they did care was what I meant. Sorry for being indirect.

[ngc7293]

I imagine Q sitting in some nicely appointed livingroom watching TV
......end of Andromeda (he waves his hand and the channel switches)
......end of Firefly (he waves his hand and the channel switches)
......end of ESB (he waves his hand and the channel switches)


......ISDs from ESB invading Picard-verse
(he waves his ha.......He jumps to his feet "Hey wait a minute, no one messes with my show!!"
And thus, Q gets involved..... again.

I imagine Q being brainless enough to go and 'finger-wave' Palpatine and completely forget about his Picardians. "...they were such a good year".


With an entire trek-verse built on the 'final frontier' idea, it isn't hard to imagine every single entity in it built on the same rules/weaknesses. They are there just so a Trek ship can come along and destroy them.

So it's always amazing to see people on this site trying to argue the Trek-verse winning against the Empire.

I imagine this has all been said before, but if that's the case why not just point to the argument and lock the thread?

[Ghost Rider]

Locking because once again Uber races are brought up, but like many another time their ABILITIES are presumed to be galaxy conquering, because they have done so amply in the show they were portrayed in .