Atheists and Hell

Enola Straight · Post by **Enola Straight** » 2005-12-12 01:32pm

IIRC, most modern theologiand disregard the notion of Hell as being a literal Lake of Fire, imposing constant physical pain upon the Damned. Instead, Hell is supposed to be the eternal separation from God, and the knowledge you are forever cutt off from his love.

Since Atheists alread live quite comfortable lives devoid of a deity, how bad could hell be?

Frank Hipper · Post by **Frank Hipper** » 2005-12-12 01:55pm

How does completely nonexistant strike you?

gizmojumpjet · Post by **gizmojumpjet** » 2005-12-12 02:03pm

Assuming the existence of a Deity, simply not believing in Him (She, or It, as you please) doesn't necessarily mean one lives outside of the deity's love, grace, protection, etc., so it's not entirely accurate to say that atheists already live quite comfortable lives w/o a Deity. Assuming a belief a divine creator, the Deity does provide life, air, food, etc., even if you don't "believe" in Him, so, suddenly finding onesself cut of from things taken for granted in life might be quite a shock, to put it mildly.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2005-12-12 02:09pm

On the other hand, if God is as much of a prick as he seems to be in the Bible, being cut off from him may not be so bad. Satan was kicked out of Heaven for defying God and as far as I know, he never petitions to be let back in.

Pezzoni · Post by **Pezzoni** » 2005-12-12 02:56pm

Lets be honest: If I had the choice between being in Heaven with the crazy bitch from trading spouses, or in Hell with a majority of the people from here, I'd take the second option.

gizmojumpjet · Post by **gizmojumpjet** » 2005-12-12 02:58pm

Well, it's been a few years since I've read the relevant passages, but I'm pretty sure that Satan isn't confined to Hell, so I don't see how his desire or lack thereof to get back into Heaven bears on the living conditions of Hell.

Post by **Lagmonster** » 2005-12-12 03:10pm

Hell is where all the girls that appear in porn movies go. I'm not saying it would be as cut and dry as all that, but let's recap:

Eternity separated from God and his holy hordes, with all those fornicators, freethinkers, politicians, the occasional lunatic murderer, and all the people who went back for seconds at the buffet.

In other words, it's real life, except you can't die, and there are no fundies preaching to you. It's basically a step forward when you think about it.

Qwerty 42 · Post by **Qwerty 42** » 2005-12-12 03:11pm

I always liked this 8-Bit Theatre strip on the subject.

The whole concept seems rather pointless to me.

OmegaGuy · Post by **OmegaGuy** » 2005-12-12 03:47pm

Well a theist once told me that the happiness I had was only self - delusional without their god. I told him I'd rather take self - delusional happiness over an imaginary afterlife.

Qwerty 42 · Post by **Qwerty 42** » 2005-12-12 04:02pm

Using Mark 10:19 as a basepoint, shouldn't atheists be even closer to getting to heaven than theists? After all, theists are doing the right thing to get into heaven, seculars are doing it because it's the right thing to do.

gizmojumpjet · Post by **gizmojumpjet** » 2005-12-12 04:26pm

Qwerty 42 wrote:Using Mark 10:19 as a basepoint, shouldn't atheists be even closer to getting to heaven than theists? After all, theists are doing the right thing to get into heaven, seculars are doing it because it's the right thing to do.

In Christianity, you don't have to "do the right thing," i.e. obey the commandments, in order to get into Heaven. Doing the right thing is encouraged, but it's by no means required.

Anyhoo, you make it sound like trying to get into Heaven by doing the right thing is somehow wrong, and it seems that you're ignoring the fact that failing to do the right thing often has secular ramifcations as well, such as prison or, in the case of adultery, divorce or a very bad home life. Aversion to punishment is just as likely to cause a secular to do the right thing as any inherent moral code.

Post by **LadyTevar** » 2005-12-12 04:47pm

gizmojumpjet wrote:
Qwerty 42 wrote:Using Mark 10:19 as a basepoint, shouldn't atheists be even closer to getting to heaven than theists? After all, theists are doing the right thing to get into heaven, seculars are doing it because it's the right thing to do.
In Christianity, you don't have to "do the right thing," i.e. obey the commandments, in order to get into Heaven. Doing the right thing is encouraged, but it's by no means required.

To pull out my bad Baptist Minister quote:
"Ye *MUST* be Born Again, brothersandsisters. Ye *MUST* have been washed in that Blood, the Blood of the Lamb who laid down His life for you."

Hate to admit it, but most sermons that I recall (those I didn't sleep thru) mention nothing about 'doing the right thing' getting you anywhere.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2005-12-12 04:49pm

One more reason I intend to lead the denizens of SDNet in a revolt in Hell and remake the First Layer into Hades where we can all mill about.

Post by **LadyTevar** » 2005-12-12 04:49pm

SirNitram wrote:One more reason I intend to lead the denizens of SDNet in a revolt in Hell and remake the First Layer into Hades where we can all mill about.

ANd have sex. Don't forget the have sex part.

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2005-12-12 04:54pm

LadyTevar wrote:
SirNitram wrote:One more reason I intend to lead the denizens of SDNet in a revolt in Hell and remake the First Layer into Hades where we can all mill about.
ANd have sex. Don't forget the have sex part.

How the hell else is he going to get folk to play along?

gizmojumpjet · Post by **gizmojumpjet** » 2005-12-12 05:00pm

LadyTevar wrote:To pull out my bad Baptist Minister quote:
"Ye *MUST* be Born Again, brothersandsisters. Ye *MUST* have been washed in that Blood, the Blood of the Lamb who laid down His life for you."

Hate to admit it, but most sermons that I recall (those I didn't sleep thru) mention nothing about 'doing the right thing' getting you anywhere.

Well, I'd have to say that I had a rather different experience; quite a number of SB sermons I recall from back when I attended church dealt specifically with helping the fellow man, martial faithfulness, etc. and so forth.

You know, for all the time I spent in Southern Baptists churches, I never heard the sterotypical Southern Baptist preacher. All mine were rather soft-spoken inviduals. I feel deprived.

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Braedley · Post by **Braedley** » 2005-12-12 05:16pm

SirNitram wrote:One more reason I intend to lead the denizens of SDNet in a revolt in Hell and remake the First Layer into Hades where we can all mill about.

Count me in. Not that I'm intentionally trying to get into hell or anything, but heaven forbid (pardon the pun), someplace away from the rapests, child molesters, and people who talk in theatres would be nice.

Brother-Captain Gaius · Post by **Brother-Captain Gaius** » 2005-12-12 05:31pm

SirNitram wrote:One more reason I intend to lead the denizens of SDNet in a revolt in Hell and remake the First Layer into Hades where we can all mill about.

Hades is lame. We should make Baator! I call Mephy.

EmperorSolo51 · Post by **EmperorSolo51** » 2005-12-12 05:37pm

LadyTevar wrote:
To pull out my bad Baptist Minister quote:
"Ye *MUST* be Born Again, brothersandsisters. Ye *MUST* have been washed in that Blood, the Blood of the Lamb who laid down His life for you."

Hate to admit it, but most sermons that I recall (those I didn't sleep thru) mention nothing about 'doing the right thing' getting you anywhere.

Southern Baptists and those Coming Out of the Anabaptist Heresy, teach error on one simple account besides a rejection of 6 of the seven sacraments. Southern and most baptists believe that all one has to do be saved is to just believed. This goes against scripture Clearly when it talks about Justification. It says the clearly that we are saved through Justification and that we are Justified Through Grace. (We shall be saved by Works and faith together and that the Holy Spirit shall work through us to attain Grace) Most Christians, Anglicans, Catholics, Lutherans (Modern Lutherans) generally agree on this principle, though we have a difference on how God gives out his Grace to Man but we are unanimous that we are not saved by Faith Alone nor by works but our Faith and Works shall together show that we are saved and we can lose Grace by committing Sin but can regain them through Penance and Reconciliation with God. (Again a debate on wether it is through Christ alone or through Christ through a Priesthood.)

Solauren · Post by **Solauren** » 2005-12-12 06:02pm

Sir Nitram, will this hell revolt you speak of involving removing spines of hell denizens?

If so, I am SO in (sound of a chainsaw)

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2005-12-12 06:21pm

Solauren wrote:Sir Nitram, will this hell revolt you speak of involving removing spines of hell denizens?

If so, I am SO in (sound of a chainsaw)

Yes. And the complete annihilation of those who took bonecrafting as a skill.

And EmperorSolo, the Grammarian in me is wanting to commit homicide from that abuse of the Shift key. You capitalized clearly. It's an abverb.

Saber 7 · Post by **Saber 7** » 2005-12-12 07:44pm

They better have Paintball, Battlefield 2, and fine assed women in hell or I am gonna be pissed!

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2005-12-12 07:52pm

EmperorSolo51 wrote:Southern Baptists and those Coming Out of the Anabaptist Heresy, teach error on one simple account besides a rejection of 6 of the seven sacraments. Southern and most baptists believe that all one has to do be saved is to just believed. This goes against scripture Clearly when it talks about Justification. It says the clearly that we are saved through Justification and that we are Justified Through Grace. (We shall be saved by Works and faith together and that the Holy Spirit shall work through us to attain Grace) Most Christians, Anglicans, Catholics, Lutherans (Modern Lutherans) generally agree on this principle, though we have a difference on how God gives out his Grace to Man but we are unanimous that we are not saved by Faith Alone nor by works but our Faith and Works shall together show that we are saved and we can lose Grace by committing Sin but can regain them through Penance and Reconciliation with God. (Again a debate on wether it is through Christ alone or through Christ through a Priesthood.)

Stop spewing your incoherent babble; we're all getting sick of it. Speak plainly, concisely, and in properly constructed sentences.

The Dark · Post by **The Dark** » 2005-12-12 08:14pm

Darth Wong wrote:
EmperorSolo51 wrote:Southern Baptists and those Coming Out of the Anabaptist Heresy, teach error on one simple account besides a rejection of 6 of the seven sacraments. Southern and most baptists believe that all one has to do be saved is to just believed. This goes against scripture Clearly when it talks about Justification. It says the clearly that we are saved through Justification and that we are Justified Through Grace. (We shall be saved by Works and faith together and that the Holy Spirit shall work through us to attain Grace) Most Christians, Anglicans, Catholics, Lutherans (Modern Lutherans) generally agree on this principle, though we have a difference on how God gives out his Grace to Man but we are unanimous that we are not saved by Faith Alone nor by works but our Faith and Works shall together show that we are saved and we can lose Grace by committing Sin but can regain them through Penance and Reconciliation with God. (Again a debate on wether it is through Christ alone or through Christ through a Priesthood.)
Stop spewing your incoherent babble; we're all getting sick of it. Speak plainly, concisely, and in properly constructed sentences.

I'll try to rewrite this simply, since I think I understand it, but it's enough to give me an eyeache.

Most Baptists, including Southern Baptists, differ from other Christian denominations in their belief of how a person is redeemed. As a whole, this minority branch is known as the Anabaptists. Their belief is that it simply takes faith in God (more specifically, Jesus as God) for one to be redeemed. The majority of Christian denominations, including Catholics, Anglicans, and Lutherans, do not believe this. Under their belief structure, humans are justified before God through the grace of God. This grace exhibits itself through both faith and deed; a good Christian under this belief structure will exhibit the positive tendences attributed to Christ. It is also possible to lose one's status of being saved through gross examples of sin, but also possible to regain it.

Einhander Sn0m4n · Post by **Einhander Sn0m4n** » 2005-12-12 08:23pm

EmperorSolo51 wrote:Southern Baptists and those Coming Out of the Anabaptist Heresy, teach error on one simple account besides a rejection of 6 of the seven sacraments. Southern and most baptists believe that all one has to do be saved is to just believed. This goes against scripture Clearly when it talks about Justification. It says the clearly that we are saved through Justification and that we are Justified Through Grace. (We shall be saved by Works and faith together and that the Holy Spirit shall work through us to attain Grace) Most Christians, Anglicans, Catholics, Lutherans (Modern Lutherans) generally agree on this principle, though we have a difference on how God gives out his Grace to Man but we are unanimous that we are not saved by Faith Alone nor by works but our Faith and Works shall together show that we are saved and we can lose Grace by committing Sin but can regain them through Penance and Reconciliation with God. (Again a debate on wether it is through Christ alone or through Christ through a Priesthood.)

Put the damn beer down, asshat.

Oh, my brain is so going to regret this...

EmperorSolo51, Translated to Plain English from Drunk Incoherent Fucktard Yokel wrote:Southern Baptists, and those coming out of the Anabaptist Heresy, teach error on one simple account besides a rejection of six of the seven sacraments. Southern and most Baptists believe that all one has to do to be saved is to just believe.

This clearly goes against scripture when it talks about justification. It clearly says that we are saved through justification and that we are justified through grace. We shall be saved by works and faith together and that the Holy Spirit shall work through us to attain grace.

Most Christians, Anglicans, Catholics, Lutherans (Modern Lutherans) generally agree on this principle. However, we have a difference on how God gives out his grace to man, but we are unanimous that we are not saved by faith or works alone, but our faith and works shall together show that we are saved. We can lose grace by committing sin, but we can regain them through penance and reconciliation with God.

Again a debate on wether it is through Christ alone or through Christ through a Priesthood.

Owie, I think I are br0ked something in my think0r...

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