There was also the case when Iowa got within 11 miles of a CVN group and scored the carrier as sunk, only to be wiped out by the return missile salvo from the escorts. Fact remains that for every sinking you have countless victories for the carrier group.Ted wrote:Didn't you hear about the exercise in the gulf a few years back?Sea Skimmer wrote:Horrors a crappy SSN, the USN force is doomed! All the Carrier has is its pair of 688i's and 20 odd ASW aircraft for protection along with a half dozen escorts with excellent sonar, wait never mind...RadiO wrote: Damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn!
Where an SSN was the attacker and was to go in and sink the carrier?
In that it sneaked up so close that the SSN captain didn't need the magnifying periscope to see it?
And then promptly sunk the carrier and got away only to be trapped 2 days later as they ran out of gulf?
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— Field Marshal William Slim 1956
— Field Marshal William Slim 1956
But a trade off of an SSN for a CVN is pretty good, considering that IF al -Qaeda acquired a sub, it is quite possible that they could sink a CVN that way.Sea Skimmer wrote: There was also the case when Iowa got within 11 miles of a CVN group and scored the carrier as sunk, only to be wiped out by the return missile salvo from the escorts. Fact remains that for every sinking you have countless victories for the carrier group.
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In reality it's going to be a half dozen or more subs lost for a chance of sinking the carrier. And that’s with USN or RN nuke boats which are a generation ahead of everything but a dozen odd Russian jobs.Ted wrote:But a trade off of an SSN for a CVN is pretty good, considering that IF al -Qaeda acquired a sub, it is quite possible that they could sink a CVN that way.Sea Skimmer wrote: There was also the case when Iowa got within 11 miles of a CVN group and scored the carrier as sunk, only to be wiped out by the return missile salvo from the escorts. Fact remains that for every sinking you have countless victories for the carrier group.
Al –Qaeda would be very hard pressed to get anything better then a foxtrot, even a Kilo would be a marginal threat because of the limited endurance of all SSK's. Even then, its more likely they'll get a bunch of SCUD B's and chuck them at Qatar then obtain even a 1950's SS.
Assuming that the occassional victory for a top of the line SSN against a carrier indicates any notabul risk from an old SS or mabey SSK without a good crew is poor logic at best.
"This cult of special forces is as sensible as to form a Royal Corps of Tree Climbers and say that no soldier who does not wear its green hat with a bunch of oak leaves stuck in it should be expected to climb a tree"
— Field Marshal William Slim 1956
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I only suggested it because I thought it would start some kind of sci.military.naval-style punchup.Sea Skimmer wrote:
Horrors a crappy SSN, the USN force is doomed! All the Carrier has is its pair of 688i's and 20 odd ASW aircraft for protection along with a half dozen escorts with excellent sonar, wait never mind...
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To modify Slarty's post:Cyril wrote:Be real funny if the French, Spanish, or English launch a ship to go claim the island, only to find it defended by a USN carrier...
U.K.: mine!
Spain: no, mine!
France: mine!
U.K.: oh yeah?
Spain: yeah! shaddap!
France: mine mine mine!
U.K.: no you shaddap!
Spain: you shaddap infinite times!
France: sacre bleu! mine!
USA:MINE.
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Or New Zealand sends a frigate down and takes it on behalf of Britain and we administer it. Wouldnt be the first time that has happned.IG-88E wrote:To modify Slarty's post:Cyril wrote:Be real funny if the French, Spanish, or English launch a ship to go claim the island, only to find it defended by a USN carrier...
U.K.: mine!
Spain: no, mine!
France: mine!
U.K.: oh yeah?
Spain: yeah! shaddap!
France: mine mine mine!
U.K.: no you shaddap!
Spain: you shaddap infinite times!
France: sacre bleu! mine!
USA:MINE.
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And the USA builds a lavish church on it.IG-88E wrote:To modify Slarty's post:Cyril wrote:Be real funny if the French, Spanish, or English launch a ship to go claim the island, only to find it defended by a USN carrier...
U.K.: mine!
Spain: no, mine!
France: mine!
U.K.: oh yeah?
Spain: yeah! shaddap!
France: mine mine mine!
U.K.: no you shaddap!
Spain: you shaddap infinite times!
France: sacre bleu! mine!
USA:MINE.
