From those who brought us the HIMS Phallic Compensator...

Grandmaster Jogurt · Post by **Grandmaster Jogurt** » 2005-12-18 02:45pm

Noble Ire wrote:
LaserRifleofDoom wrote:What I don't get is how Death-Star Superlasers can get stuck in anything. If you look at the ICS, I seem to recall that the actual laser structures took up quite a large portion of the internal structure of the Death Star. You can't just slap a dish on the side of a sufficiently large ship and call it a planet-destroying superlaser.
Unfortunately I don't have my ICS with me right now, so I can't back this up. But I'm very sure about being right.
Aside from the Eclipse super vessels, I don't think there are any SW ships that are equipped with superlasers that don't dominate their entire structure. Is there any mention of ISDs or even SSDs (or ships analogus in size) that simply have a superlaser stuck in them?

Didn't we see a few NR Imperator-analogues with axial superlasers in the NJO? IIRC, one was named the Mon Mothma.

18-Till-I-Die · Post by **18-Till-I-Die** » 2005-12-18 02:48pm

Noble Ire wrote:
LaserRifleofDoom wrote:What I don't get is how Death-Star Superlasers can get stuck in anything. If you look at the ICS, I seem to recall that the actual laser structures took up quite a large portion of the internal structure of the Death Star. You can't just slap a dish on the side of a sufficiently large ship and call it a planet-destroying superlaser.
Unfortunately I don't have my ICS with me right now, so I can't back this up. But I'm very sure about being right.
Aside from the Eclipse super vessels, I don't think there are any SW ships that are equipped with superlasers that don't dominate their entire structure. Is there any mention of ISDs or even SSDs (or ships analogus in size) that simply have a superlaser stuck in them?

There are ships with superlasers, but smaller ones.

This is perfectly in line with what was said in the movie, "The most powerful superlaser ever built" line. Obviously the DS superlaser was an oversized anomoly.

A real life example is artillery. We have howitzers and cannons, even huge ones, but the Nazis built that one gun Dora that was eight-hundred MM bore. Same thing.

The Empire has many superlasers, probably ways to carry them or fit them to smaller vessels too, but the DS superlaser was unique in the fact it was enormous and had power proportunate to its size.

Noble Ire · Post by **Noble Ire** » 2005-12-18 02:51pm

Didn't we see a few NR Imperator-analogues with axial superlasers in the NJO? IIRC, one was named the Mon Mothma.

Not that I recall. Perhaps axial super charge guns, but I don't even remember any of those. That aside, why would Republic warships be fitted with planet-destroying superweapons? Wouldn't that be a PR nightmare?

The Original Nex · Post by **The Original Nex** » 2005-12-18 03:26pm

Didn't we see a few NR Imperator-analogues with axial superlasers in the NJO? IIRC, one was named the Mon Mothma.

Mon Mothma had hidden gravity well generators, but no superlaser. I've never heard of that.

Grandmaster Jogurt · Post by **Grandmaster Jogurt** » 2005-12-18 03:46pm

The Original Nex wrote:
Didn't we see a few NR Imperator-analogues with axial superlasers in the NJO? IIRC, one was named the Mon Mothma.
Mon Mothma had hidden gravity well generators, but no superlaser. I've never heard of that.

Hmm... that's weird. Isn't the first time I misremembered something like this, though. Sorry about that.

As to LaserRifle's original point, you CAN have superlasers mounted on ships without taking up most of the ship's internal space; LAATs devote much of their volume to troop transport, and the superlaser themselves house their gunners.

However, if you're only looking for planet-destroying superlasers, this example falls short.

Aquatain · Post by **Aquatain** » 2005-12-18 07:40pm

In the beginning battle of RotS a venerator fires what seems like a beam weapon out of it's hangar effectively killing a seperatist capship in one shot..is this a superlaser?

Einhander Sn0m4n · Post by **Einhander Sn0m4n** » 2005-12-18 07:47pm

Aquatain wrote:In the beginning battle of RotS a venerator fires what seems like a beam weapon out of it's hangar effectively killing a seperatist capship in one shot..is this a superlaser?

I heard theories about it being a SPHA-T carried onboard firing its main turbolaser.

And it's 'Venator'.

The Original Nex · Post by **The Original Nex** » 2005-12-18 08:16pm

Einhander Sn0m4n wrote:
Aquatain wrote:In the beginning battle of RotS a venerator fires what seems like a beam weapon out of it's hangar effectively killing a seperatist capship in one shot..is this a superlaser?
I heard theories about it being a SPHA-T carried onboard firing its main turbolaser.

And it's 'Venator'.

Yep. Good old General Ani personally ordered Open Circle Fleet warships be retrofitted with SPHA-T cannon to up their firepower (ref. RotS ICS)

LaserRifleofDoom · Post by **LaserRifleofDoom** » 2005-12-18 08:29pm

I was referring specifically to the fanwank going on here.

LordShaithis · Post by **LordShaithis** » 2005-12-19 01:15am

IIRC, I talked about putting a DS-scale superlaser on my imaginary wank ship. But it's worth noting that my wank ship is just the 2nd Death Star, made a tiny bit smaller, and stretched into a destroyer-shape. Neither it's size nor armament are really "wank" since they fit right in with what we've actually seen in the movies.

The other ships mentioned here are all much smaller than that, and don't qualify as wank either. None of these "smaller" ships mention having a full DS-scale superlaser, only (at most) the smaller Eclipse-style ones that won't actually explode a planet.

Darth Crubus · Post by **Darth Crubus** » 2006-01-14 08:16pm

Is there something wrong with Super-Size warships?

I mean, really, if the Galactic Empire can build something 900km in diameter with a mass comparable to many moons, then why isn't it possible to build something 260km in length and with a mass much lower than the first Death Star.

Okay, maybe you aren't saying it's impossible, but just impractical. Well, on some levels, I agree. Something that large isn't going to be built in any great or small quantities. BUT, it might be good as a one-off Galactic Starfleet Command Ship. Or, like was suggested earlier, have it as the base of operations for a mission to another galaxy.

It could also be used in a 'Fleet in Being' way. Like the KMS Tirpitz was during WW2. It was big, bad, powerful, scary, and was kept out of the fight by Hitler because he didn't want to lose it. But the British were still terrified by the thing. In one instance, the Royal Navy learned that the Tirpitz was going to attack a convoy bound for Murmansk, and ordered the convoy's escorts away. The Tirpitz never left its Norwegian fjord. Instead, U-Boats picked the convoy apart at their lesure.

Overall, I'd say that having one Imperium class ship would be useful as a long-term military tool, and propaganda symbol. Any more than that would be wasteful.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2006-01-14 08:35pm

And we have a rule against Necromancy.

Unless your post was something of significant addition, then post...if it's ytour personal opinion with an interesting nugget, then just open another topic.

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