BOLOs vs. Mecha

Post by **Beowulf** » 2002-12-04 05:03pm

2 brigades of Mark XXXIII/D Bolos (48 total)

vs.

the same mecha list as in the tank vs. Mecha thread.

Nukes are allowed.

FIGHT!

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2002-12-04 05:04pm

Bolos rape the mechas so quickly it's not funny.

Hotfoot · Post by **Hotfoot** » 2002-12-04 05:26pm

48 Mk. 33s?

Hell, let's just throw in a small Culture fleet and the Capital D for orbital fire support while we're at it. Let's see how we can best shave off those miniscule fractions of a nanosecond for the fastest total victory ever.

Post by **Beowulf** » 2002-12-04 05:39pm

Hotfoot wrote:48 Mk. 33s?

Hell, let's just throw in a small Culture fleet and the Capital D for orbital fire support while we're at it. Let's see how we can best shave off those miniscule fractions of a nanosecond for the fastest total victory ever.

OK... maybe it's a bit over powered...
24 Mk.33s

That's the smallest unit you'd probably come across w/ them invading...

paladin · Post by **paladin** » 2002-12-04 05:47pm

Beowulf wrote:
Hotfoot wrote:48 Mk. 33s?

Hell, let's just throw in a small Culture fleet and the Capital D for orbital fire support while we're at it. Let's see how we can best shave off those miniscule fractions of a nanosecond for the fastest total victory ever.
OK... maybe it's a bit over powered...
24 Mk.33s

That's the smallest unit you'd probably come across w/ them invading...

24 Mk.33s is still a powerful force. Results are still the same.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2002-12-04 05:53pm

One Bolo would be sufficient. The T-90 Hind swarm was already going to kick the mecha ass.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2002-12-04 06:14pm

Wait that would limit the Bolo's to their Anti Personel weapons.

Since the smallest anti armour weapon on a Mark XXXIII is a 500kt Infinate Repeater.

SylasGaunt · Post by **SylasGaunt** » 2002-12-04 06:20pm

Of course the smallest guns on the Bolo are 25 megawatt lasers and railguns that shotgun out 500 DU slivers at three kilometers/sec the mecha are still screwed.

On the other hand the Bolos could still just never both entering the city.. Fuel-Air explosives aren't nuclear after all

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2002-12-04 06:25pm

SylasGaunt wrote:Of course the smallest guns on the Bolo are 25 megawatt lasers and railguns that shotgun out 500 DU slivers at three kilometers/sec the mecha are still screwed.

On the other hand the Bolos could still just never both entering the city.. Fuel-Air explosives aren't nuclear after all

But as I said that just the anti-personell weapons.

Mind you the Bolo's would still find time to run some historical simulations, compose poetry, and such while taking their time and artfully decimating the Opposing force.

Post by **Beowulf** » 2002-12-04 06:28pm

SylasGaunt wrote:On the other hand the Bolos could still just never both entering the city.. Fuel-Air explosives aren't nuclear after all

What? I said nukes are allowed... AFAIK that era Bolos had tac nukes...

SylasGaunt · Post by **SylasGaunt** » 2002-12-04 06:31pm

Ah whups, misunderstanding..

In that case the mecha still die in a barrage of 10 kiloton mortar shells and multi-megaton nuclear missile warheads.

SAMAS · Post by **SAMAS** » 2002-12-04 07:03pm

To take on a Bolo, I would use:

Jehuty

Anubis

Gunbuster

Turn A Gundam

Devil Colony Gundam

Post by **Beowulf** » 2002-12-04 07:41pm

SAMAS wrote:To take on a Bolo, I would use:

Jehuty

Anubis

Gunbuster

Turn A Gundam

Devil Colony Gundam

Joy! the Mecha fanboy has shown up!
Exactly how well do MS stand up against multi-megaton level particle cannon?
And also... Crunch... no mech can stand up to being run-over by a 32000 ton tank...

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2002-12-04 07:52pm

Devil Colony Gundam is an Asteriod sized Hentai abonimation, it uses nano tech to repair & rebuild it's self. Don't think it can survive the level of fire power that a bolo with full nuke payload can dish out.

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2002-12-04 09:48pm

Hmm. Weren't the 200cm Hellbores rated at 7 MT/sec each?

We'll call it 5 for kicks.

5 x 3 (per Bolo) x 24 (Bolos) = 360 MT/sec

PLUS the dozens of secondary Hellbores, plus the lasers and the missiles...

Bolos win.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2002-12-04 10:08pm

20mt/sec each for Primary Hellbores
5mt/sec for Hellbore Infante Repeaters (Actually 50kt/shot for the Hellbore Infinate Repeaters they just fire a lot)
The Anti-Personell batteries, can take out today's MBT's

SylasGaunt · Post by **SylasGaunt** » 2002-12-04 10:47pm

Actually the last guy was right, it's 5 Megatons/sec on most variants and the HCT variant has an enhanced version rated at 6 megatons/sec

Infinite repeaters are rated at 400 kilotons/sec (250 kilotons/shot on the HCT variant)

Then there's the 240 cm. Howitzers (with a fire rate of 2 rounds/sec) and the mortars, VLS missile systems, and point defense.

Darth_Shinji · Post by **Darth_Shinji** » 2002-12-05 07:54am

This is a unfair matchup. But if you want to play the wanking game.....
Shin Dragon Getta Robo would mad rape all Bolo's in exsistence. Lets see you prove that Bolo's can take GT level firepower.

SAMAS · Post by **SAMAS** » 2002-12-05 11:55am

Beowulf wrote:
SAMAS wrote:To take on a Bolo, I would use:

Jehuty

Anubis

Gunbuster

Turn A Gundam

Devil Colony Gundam
Joy! the Mecha fanboy has shown up!
Exactly how well do MS stand up against multi-megaton level particle cannon?
And also... Crunch... no mech can stand up to being run-over by a 32000 ton tank...

The Turn A and Devil Colony Gudams stay out of the area. They don't HAVE to be there. Moonlight Butterfly has a world-wide effect, and Neo Japan is in orbit.

Gunbuster was at Ground Zero of a Galaxy-Busting bomb.

Jehuty and Anubis are too fast to be hit, and could possibly take the hits anyway.

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2002-12-05 12:08pm

If the AI warmachine side wants to play the wanking game we can call in a Berzerker to stomp all over Shin Dragon Getta Robo.

SylasGaunt · Post by **SylasGaunt** » 2002-12-05 12:26pm

SAMAS wrote: The Turn A and Devil Colony Gudams stay out of the area. They don't HAVE to be there. Moonlight Butterfly has a world-wide effect, and Neo Japan is in orbit.

And the Bolo can fire into orbit so the DCG still isn't safe.

Jehuty and Anubis are too fast to be hit, and could possibly take the hits anyway.

What are you basing THIS on? Nothing we see in the games shows this to be the case at all.

Darth_Shinji · Post by **Darth_Shinji** » 2002-12-05 12:26pm

consequences wrote:If the AI warmachine side wants to play the wanking game we can call in a Berzerker to stomp all over Shin Dragon Getta Robo.

And I'll call in Satan's Sword... Definatly the most powerful AI warship in sci-fi.

SylasGaunt · Post by **SylasGaunt** » 2002-12-05 12:27pm

Darth_Shinji wrote:This is a unfair matchup. But if you want to play the wanking game.....
Shin Dragon Getta Robo would mad rape all Bolo's in exsistence. Lets see you prove that Bolo's can take GT level firepower.

SDGR suddenly finds itself turned into a paperweight by an EMP from the Bolo (unless you have some proof it's EMP resistant)

Or failing that it just takes remotely links in and takes the sucker over.

SAMAS · Post by **SAMAS** » 2002-12-05 01:07pm

SylasGaunt wrote:
SAMAS wrote: The Turn A and Devil Colony Gudams stay out of the area. They don't HAVE to be there. Moonlight Butterfly has a world-wide effect, and Neo Japan is in orbit.
And the Bolo can fire into orbit so the DCG still isn't safe.

How far into orbit? And can it keep the fire up long enough, even though it also has to worry about attacks from the others?

Jehuty and Anubis are too fast to be hit, and could possibly take the hits anyway.
What are you basing THIS on? Nothing we see in the games shows this to be the case at all.

The Tokyo Game Show movie at http://www.konamijpn.com/products/zoe2/ ... index.html

In one scene, they show Jehuty and Anubis fighting each other in mid-teleport.

http://jpn01.konami.co.jp/movie/zoe2/zoe2_e3_en.asf

http://jpn01.konami.co.jp/movie/zoe2/zoe2_tgse.asf <--- This one.

SylasGaunt · Post by **SylasGaunt** » 2002-12-05 01:22pm

SAMAS wrote: How far into orbit? And can it keep the fire up long enough, even though it also has to worry about attacks from the others?

Lowest number I've seen is 50,000 kilometers (it was plinking buildings on a moon), highest is at a couple light seconds.

The Tokyo Game Show movie at http://www.konamijpn.com/products/zoe2/ ... index.html

In one scene, they show Jehuty and Anubis fighting each other in mid-teleport.

And? Fighting inside a vector trap does not = high speed combat outside one, and we've seen the speeds Jehuty fights at, and no human pilot's got the reaction time to dodge a hellbore round at the range they'll have to close to in order to engage.