Can the Trekkies get any more desperate?

[Lord Pounder]

The species of alien that Leia disguises herself as in RotJ also made a few appearances in DS9.

The Breen.

[The Grim Squeaker]

I consider BHMM one of the WORST posters on SWvsST - and that's really saying something.

He was one of the main proponents of the Worf slashing a space marines throat right? Agreed 9f he is

[Noble Ire]

The species of alien that Leia disguises herself as in RotJ also made a few appearances in DS9.

The Breen.

Or, conversely, the Ubese. Really, up close, the helmets are pretty different.

[brianeyci]

The species of alien that Leia disguises herself as in RotJ also made a few appearances in DS9.

The Breen.

Damn no wonder,

QUARK
The Breen CRM-one-fourteen works
equally well against moving
vessels or surface emplacements.
It's guaranteed to cut through
reactive armor in the six-to-
fifteen centimeter range, and
shields up to four-point-six
gigajoules.

Didn't sound like a Star Trek weapon at all, now we know why .

Brian

[Asdeed]

The species of alien that Leia disguises herself as in RotJ also made a few appearances in DS9.

The Breen.

Damn no wonder,

QUARK
The Breen CRM-one-fourteen works
equally well against moving
vessels or surface emplacements.
It's guaranteed to cut through
reactive armor in the six-to-
fifteen centimeter range, and
shields up to four-point-six
gigajoules.

Didn't sound like a Star Trek weapon at all, now we know why .

Brian

Oh hell, i'd pay good money to see how they'd react to that!

Errr, good as in legal tender, the actual amount would be pitiful

[Elfdart]

Let's play along for a minute. As one of the posters at solareclipse.net points out, if the Falcon is that size and behind the 3000m Borg Cube, Han's ship would be up to 600 metres long! Considering that the real Falcon in a little under 40 metres it would mean that everything in Star Wars is 15 times the size of Star Trek. So an Imperator would be 15 miles long. Han Solo would be 27 metres tall. And so on.

Let's assume the ship is in fact the Millenium Falcon and the UFP somehow acquired its services and maybe the ship itself. Let's also assume that the GIANT Falcon is a goof in the special effects, so the ship is <40 metres and Chewbacca isn't 33 metres tall. The very fact that the UFP would include a freighter in a military task force to stop the Borg shows that small SW freighters are comparable to large ST warships. Since no other small craft are used against the Borg during the battle it's unlikely that Han's ship is just another small craft with grafted-on weapons. If the UFP did that with the Falcon, why not other small craft? The Millennium Falcon must be exceptionally powerful for such a small ship.

Spying or acting as a WW2-style "secret raider" is also unlikely since the Falcon is very different in appearance from ST ships and would undoubtedly draw attention to itself just by looking different.

So we have a very small and rather conspicuous ship used in battle against the Borg. No mention of it is made in later ST stories and there's no evidence of other ST ships decked out with weapons similar to the Millennium Falcon, nor are any other such tiny craft used as Big Hairy Mountain Man describes for the reasons described above.

A more likely scenario? How about:

Thanks to some sort of bizarre hiccup in space and time, the Millennium Falcon finds itself transported to space near Earth. This would not be the first time this kind of thing has happened, as E.T. somehow landed on Earth. Clearly he was from the Galaxy Far Far Away since he was so familiar with Yoda that he immediately recognized the Jedi Master's likeness in an Earthling's Halloween costume.

Anyway, Han and Chewie find themselves near Earth. Being pirates with hearts of gold, the smuggler and his Wookiee co-pilot attack the Borg. Han always was a sucker for lost causes. Once the battle is over, Han finds out that there's no financial reward and not a single bitchy but cute Princess to rescue. So he and Chewie head home, leaving the UFP scratching their heads and wondering what the Corellian meant by doing a space run in less than 12 parsecs.

[Darth Wong]

Elfdart, that post is worth its weight in gold.

[Sidewinder]

Once the battle is over, Han finds out that there's no financial reward and not a single bitchy but cute Princess to rescue. So he and Chewie head home, leaving the UFP scratching their heads and wondering what the Corellian meant by doing a space run in less than 12 parsecs.

I'm sure Quark-- or any other Ferengi with contraband to smuggle-- would be willing to pay the Corellian with gold-plated latinum for his services. (Any attempts to cheat Han would be dealt with by a heavy blaster and an angry Wookiee.) As for princesses, well, there are plenty of loose women to be found on Betazed.

For that matter, what's stopping Han and Chewie from making off with several pints of biomedic gel? As a component of many addictive drugs in the 'Trek' universe, the gel might fetch Han a hefty price in the 'Wars' universe.

[brianeyci]

There's criminals and individuals in the Fereration besides the Ferengi like the Orion Syndicate. Also from all those merchantman episdoes and that episode with the guy trying to steal Data it seems merchants can operate in Federation space with some kind of permit. Riker was also familiar with latinum and has his own personal stash to bet with. There's probably a huge smuggling market that Han can have fun with and his fast ship will be worth more than all smuggler's fees put together. The Federation don't have a secret police after all nor any army so I would think that most worlds outside the core systems wouldn't be so stupid as to get rid of money and the Federation would have no real way to force them or oversee them. I think there was even one mention of money on the Bynar homeworld.

Brian

[Bounty]

I would think that most worlds outside the core systems wouldn't be so stupid as to get rid of money and the Federation would have no real way to force them or oversee them.

I think there was even one mention of money on the Bynar homeworld.

The Bolians have a (well-stocked) central bank. It's quite possible that member worlds keep a traditional economy, and that the money-less society is limited to Earth and/or Starfleet personnel.

[Elfdart]

There's criminals and individuals in the Fereration besides the Ferengi like the Orion Syndicate. Also from all those merchantman episdoes and that episode with the guy trying to steal Data it seems merchants can operate in Federation space with some kind of permit. Riker was also familiar with latinum and has his own personal stash to bet with. There's probably a huge smuggling market that Han can have fun with and his fast ship will be worth more than all smuggler's fees put together. The Federation don't have a secret police after all nor any army so I would think that most worlds outside the core systems wouldn't be so stupid as to get rid of money and the Federation would have no real way to force them or oversee them. I think there was even one mention of money on the Bynar homeworld.

Brian

Turning Han Solo and Chewbacca (with the Falcon) loose in the UFP would be like a fox in the henhouse with an unarmed quadriplegic farmer snoozing away in his bed. The only thing the fox has to worry about is choking on a wishbone.

[Wyrm]

Once the battle is over, Han finds out that there's no financial reward and not a single bitchy but cute Princess to rescue. So he and Chewie head home, leaving the UFP scratching their heads and wondering what the Corellian meant by doing a space run in less than 12 parsecs.

I'm sure Quark-- or any other Ferengi with contraband to smuggle-- would be willing to pay the Corellian with gold-plated latinum for his services. (Any attempts to cheat Han would be dealt with by a heavy blaster and an angry Wookiee.)

HAN: "'Latinum'? What the fuck is that? Chewie?"
CHEWBACCA: "RAAARRRGH!"
(screams as CHEWBACCA rips QUARK to pieces.)

As for princesses, well, there are plenty of loose women to be found on Betazed.

HAN: "I don't need a loose woman who can read my mind. I need a bitchy but cute princess. You read me? 'Bitchy but cute!'"

For that matter, what's stopping Han and Chewie from making off with several pints of biomedic gel? As a component of many addictive drugs in the 'Trek' universe, the gel might fetch Han a hefty price in the 'Wars' universe.

Maybe he'll accept that in lieu of latinum. The exchange rates for latinum at Galactic Imperial (or New Republic, depending on the era) Bank suck ass.

[ngc7293]

I probably shouldn't reply to this. I have not read everything, but I felt the need to point out a typical trekkish thing.

If that was truly the Falcon and the weapon power levels were what they were supposed to have been, then it would have been the Falcon showing up to save the day to obliterate the cube.

Since that didn't happen, I figure, some time ago, a scientist or someone saw this neat looking ship appear through a wormhole for a bit and thought its advanced design would be perfect for a new StarFleet ship.

So, the ship was partially built (well, built, but with Trek weapons) and was just enough to appear in the scene.

[Imperial Overlord]

We should also consider the possibility that it was the Falcon that brought down the borg cube's shields. After all, a whole fleet of Federation ships couldn't manage that at the battle fo Wolf 359 and yet the shield's are down by the time the Enterprise arrives. Clearly the work of superior SW firepower.

The continued existence of the cube is easily explained by Han and Chewie not wanting to blow up the comparitively fragile borg craft because they wanted to loot it.

[Drooling Iguana]

I probably shouldn't reply to this. I have not read everything, but I felt the need to point out a typical trekkish thing.

If that was truly the Falcon and the weapon power levels were what they were supposed to have been, then it would have been the Falcon showing up to save the day to obliterate the cube.

Since that didn't happen, I figure, some time ago, a scientist or someone saw this neat looking ship appear through a wormhole for a bit and thought its advanced design would be perfect for a new StarFleet ship.

So, the ship was partially built (well, built, but with Trek weapons) and was just enough to appear in the scene.

Or maybe he saw an old, 20th century movie and decided to base a ship off of that.

[Master of Ossus]

How do we even know that the Falcon engaged the cube?

[brianeyci]

On the serious side, where do easter eggs and things like that fit into suspension of disbelief. Like Tim Russ appearing on the Excelsior and as a bad guy and as a Voyager Lieutenant (I think it was supposed to be Tuvok on Sulu's Excelsior) or even worse ones, like the same actor appearing in different universes. Or my favourite one--the same 9 Borg being used over and over in ST:FC. I use the two different Borg Queens as proof that there are more than one Borg Queen but it's obvious out-of-universe that the two queens are supposed to be one and the same, but with suspension of disbelief they do not look like each other.

Brian

[Drooling Iguana]

On the serious side, where do easter eggs and things like that fit into suspension of disbelief. Like Tim Russ appearing on the Excelsior and as a bad guy and as a Voyager Lieutenant (I think it was supposed to be Tuvok on Sulu's Excelsior) or even worse ones, like the same actor appearing in different universes. Or my favourite one--the same 9 Borg being used over and over in ST:FC. I use the two different Borg Queens as proof that there are more than one Borg Queen but it's obvious out-of-universe that the two queens are supposed to be one and the same, but with suspension of disbelief they do not look like each other.

Brian

I just assumed that the various queens were clones of each other.

[Darth Wong]

On the serious side, where do easter eggs and things like that fit into suspension of disbelief. Like Tim Russ appearing on the Excelsior and as a bad guy and as a Voyager Lieutenant (I think it was supposed to be Tuvok on Sulu's Excelsior) or even worse ones, like the same actor appearing in different universes. Or my favourite one--the same 9 Borg being used over and over in ST:FC. I use the two different Borg Queens as proof that there are more than one Borg Queen but it's obvious out-of-universe that the two queens are supposed to be one and the same, but with suspension of disbelief they do not look like each other.

Brian

I've seen "celebrity look-alikes" in real life who bear a striking resemblance to movie stars or politicians. That's one way to handle it. Besides, "suspension of disbelief" is generally used primarily for the purpose of generating scientific assessments of capabilities, where character appearances really aren't important.

[NecronLord]

This would not be the first time this kind of thing has happened, as E.T. somehow landed on Earth. Clearly he was from the Galaxy Far Far Away since he was so familiar with Yoda that he immediately recognized the Jedi Master's likeness in an Earthling's Halloween costume.

This actually seems to be Lucas' intent in including ET's race in the Galactic Senate. I seem to recall hearing that he discussed the idea that ET is from the Star Wars galaxy (after it develops intergalactic hyperdrives, far later) with Spielberg at some point.

[Xess]

This actually seems to be Lucas' intent in including ET's race in the Galactic Senate. I seem to recall hearing that he discussed the idea that ET is from the Star Wars galaxy (after it develops intergalactic hyperdrives, far later) with Spielberg at some point.

If we're going with that it also shows that it is possible to build crude subspace or hyperwave transmitters with 1980's Earth techonolgy.

I would also think that ET's familiarity with Yoda, and his technical aptitude points to him being an engineer or technician of some sort who was an avid follower of the Clone Wars on the holonet.

[charben]

Of course this means that E.T. is very likely a Jedi, or maybe an AgriCorps worker (they were collecting plants after all).

ET did levitate objects, make an empathic connection with the boy, and go into a hibernation trance. He also healed a dying flower by just looking at it, as well as healing minor wounds by touch. Sounds like a Force-user to me.

[Solauren]

Maybe not a fan of the clone wars, just he recognized his species.

After all, Yoda was hardly unique (cough * Yaddle * cough)

[Xess]

Of course this means that E.T. is very likely a Jedi, or maybe an AgriCorps worker (they were collecting plants after all).

ET did levitate objects, make an empathic connection with the boy, and go into a hibernation trance. He also healed a dying flower by just looking at it, as well as healing minor wounds by touch. Sounds like a Force-user to me.

Makes more sense than my idea.

[Elfdart]

Of course this means that E.T. is very likely a Jedi, or maybe an AgriCorps worker (they were collecting plants after all).

ET did levitate objects, make an empathic connection with the boy, and go into a hibernation trance. He also healed a dying flower by just looking at it, as well as healing minor wounds by touch. Sounds like a Force-user to me.

Maybe ET was one of the Jedi who wasn't killed in the purge. He knew he had to leave Earth for fear of drawing the attention of the Sith to the hapless, primitive world. But given that ROTJ came out a year later and Yoda said Luke was the last Jedi, poor little ET must have been killed by Darth Vader soon after lifting off.