The Federation hires Jango Fett to train their ground forces

Sidewinder · Post by **Sidewinder** » 2005-12-31 06:26pm

The scenario is similar to that of 'The Last Samurai', set a month before the events of 'The Phantom Menace' but before a month before the events of 'Insurrection'. A Trade Federation fleet enters UFP space and, at gunpoint, forces the UFP to agree to certain trade concessions. To prevent such humiliation in the future and avoid conquest at the hands of the other SW powers, the UFP decides to modernize their military, and hires Jango Fett to train their new army. (Fett is being paid in biomedic gel, which he sells to the Hutts, who use it to manufacture addictive drugs.) What happens?

Post by **NecronLord** » 2005-12-31 07:07pm

The UFP totally dominates any ground battle with local powers, and is eventually able to take on Star Wars ground forces in small numbers, but can't take on space forces.

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » 2005-12-31 07:10pm

I don't think that Jango Fett is really a good choice to train an army. He is a bounty hunter, not a soldier. He might be able to teach squad level tactics (all though I find that highly suspect as well), but he would have little practical knowledge of anything above platoon level tactics, equipment and training.

Noble Ire · Post by **Noble Ire** » 2005-12-31 07:15pm

Cpl Kendall wrote:I don't think that Jango Fett is really a good choice to train an army. He is a bounty hunter, not a soldier. He might be able to teach squad level tactics (all though I find that highly suspect as well), but he would have little practical knowledge of anything above platoon level tactics, equipment and training.

I'm not so sure. After all, before they were all but wiped out by the Death Watch and the Jedi, Jango Fett was the (IIRC) leader of the Mandalorians, who, while greatly diminished from their days of galactic conquest, were still large and organized enough to take on military actions.

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » 2005-12-31 07:33pm

Noble Ire wrote:
I'm not so sure. After all, before they were all but wiped out by the Death Watch and the Jedi, Jango Fett was the (IIRC) leader of the Mandalorians, who, while greatly diminished from their days of galactic conquest, were still large and organized enough to take on military actions.

That info isn't in the SW.com databank, does it come from a novel?

Even if Jango is some kind of uber-soldier, possessing all the knowledge required to transform SF ground forces into a competant force, he's going to need help. His best bet is either to bring an experiance cadre of men with him or to establish a training cadre from SF troops and pass his knowledge onto them. Otherwise he'll burn himself out.

Sidewinder · Post by **Sidewinder** » 2005-12-31 07:54pm

My idea was that Jango does what he did in 'Republic Commando'-- call Mandalorian NCOs and other men he trusts to help him train the new UFP Army. Besides, according to the 'Inside the Worlds' book, he was tasked with training the clonetroopers and designing their equipment-- he should be able to do the same with the Feds.

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » 2005-12-31 08:17pm

Sidewinder wrote:My idea was that Jango does what he did in 'Republic Commando'-- call Mandalorian NCOs and other men he trusts to help him train the new UFP Army.

Obviously we are thinking along the same lines. See my above post.

Besides, according to the 'Inside the Worlds' book, he was tasked with training the clonetroopers and designing their equipment-- he should be able to do the same with the Feds.

So now Fett is an engineer as well as a super-soldier?

Noble Ire · Post by **Noble Ire** » 2005-12-31 08:49pm

That info isn't in the SW.com databank, does it come from a novel?

Guide to Chronology and the recent Insider article on the Mandalorians.

So now Fett is an engineer as well as a super-soldier?

I think it meant he helped the Kaminoans select their standard armament, rather than creating it himself. I don't have the quote on hand to confirm that though.

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » 2005-12-31 08:51pm

Noble Ire wrote:
Guide to Chronology and the recent Insider article on the Mandalorians.

Thanks.

I think it meant he helped the Kaminoans select their standard armament, rather than creating it himself. I don't have the quote on hand to confirm that though.

That would make alot more sense.

brianeyci · Post by **brianeyci** » 2005-12-31 08:57pm

Depending on the life expectancy of Federation soldiers, there might already be a ready pile of NCO's for Jango to draw on. I don't have any proof for this, but one only needs to look at human history, for example Stalin's officer purges. War weeds out the weak and the stupid. There should be veterans of the Dominion war who learned the hard way things like move and shoot and firing from cover. Also I would bet that the newest developments like the ST:FC rifle and the mini-transporter in Nemesis are because of the Dominion war too.

I would think that Federation officers don't maintain a very good rapport with their crewmen. You don't see many crewmen in Star Trek talking with officers ever, they're always extras. Officers are probably too dogmatic for a wholesale retraining, "who the fuck does this guy think he is he didn't even go to starfleet academy" lol.

If this isn't going to be a wankfest, Jango will start teaching the Federation how to best use the equipment they're already familiar with and making modifications to existing equipment. For example an idea I had was a soldier wearing a backpack power supply with a boxy TNG phaser rifle, with the rifle firing continuously rather than in short pulses or bursts. A lot more use of widebeam phasers in close quarters like ship boarding actions. For ground combat just a lot of Argos and put a little more armor on the Argo to make it immune to small arms (whatever packing crates are made of). Of course enemies will develop countermeasures, but all the above suggestions are doable with the Federation's current technology base.

Brian

Sidewinder · Post by **Sidewinder** » 2005-12-31 09:09pm

Cpl Kendall wrote:
Sidewinder wrote:Besides, according to the 'Inside the Worlds' book, he was tasked with training the clonetroopers and designing their equipment-- he should be able to do the same with the Feds.
So now Fett is an engineer as well as a super-soldier?

I'm fairly certain the 'Attack of the Clones Visual Dictionary' states that the design of clonetrooper armor is based on that of Mandalorian battle armor. So Fett may not have designed it, but he certainly could've advised an armorer on the design-- a Kaminoan, maybe?

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » 2005-12-31 09:18pm

Sidewinder wrote: I'm fairly certain the 'Attack of the Clones Visual Dictionary' states that the design of clonetrooper armor is based on that of Mandalorian battle armor. So Fett may not have designed it, but he certainly could've advised an armorer on the design-- a Kaminoan, maybe?

He probably told the Kamino's what he wanted the armor to do, what features to have etc. And the Kaminos took it from there.

In this scinario does Fett have access to the materials and tools of his home galaxy, or is he limited to the resources of the Federation?

Sidewinder · Post by **Sidewinder** » 2005-12-31 09:38pm

The UFP can import materials from the SW universe, but at great cost. They're also trying to get advance their technology and industries, and will likely hire engineers from the SW universe to help them do so.

Sidewinder · Post by **Sidewinder** » 2005-12-31 09:42pm

Of course, it'll take them years for their technology and industries to catch up to the Trade Federation's level, but 10 years pass between 'The Phantom Menace' and 'Attack of the Clones'-- they might succeed in time to avoid being subjugated by the CIS.

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2005-12-31 09:47pm

Fett is a warrior, not a soldier. I don't see much use in his training the UFP Army. Sure, he could give them basic weapons handling training and other basic shit, but since he's a lone wolf type operator, I don't see what he can offer in small unit tactics, let alone large scale tactics and strategy.

Post by **Surlethe** » 2005-12-31 10:11pm

Could the UFP hire any other mercenaries who would be more adept at training militaries?

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2005-12-31 10:39pm

Surlethe wrote:Could the UFP hire any other mercenaries who would be more adept at training militaries?

Probably. Angosia wanted to be a member of the Federation, yet because of the way they treated their vets, the Feds didn't let them become members.

Angosia could easily train UFP troops to the level Jango can. The only difference would be the insight to the tech of the SW universe.

Sidewinder · Post by **Sidewinder** » 2006-01-01 12:05am

Knife wrote:Fett is a warrior, not a soldier. I don't see much use in his training the UFP Army. Sure, he could give them basic weapons handling training and other basic shit, but since he's a lone wolf type operator, I don't see what he can offer in small unit tactics, let alone large scale tactics and strategy.

'Jango Fett: Open Seasons' specifically depicts him as Mandalore, leader of the Mandalorians. He's competent in small unit tactics, and has leadership experience; he didn't become a lone wolf until after Jedi knights, led by Dooku, wiped out the Mandalorians.

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2006-01-01 12:11am

Sidewinder wrote:
Knife wrote:Fett is a warrior, not a soldier. I don't see much use in his training the UFP Army. Sure, he could give them basic weapons handling training and other basic shit, but since he's a lone wolf type operator, I don't see what he can offer in small unit tactics, let alone large scale tactics and strategy.
'Jango Fett: Open Seasons' specifically depicts him as Mandalore, leader of the Mandalorians. He's competent in small unit tactics, and has leadership experience; he didn't become a lone wolf until after Jedi knights, led by Dooku, wiped out the Mandalorians.

He's not old enough to be strategic level when supposdly Dooku wipes out hte Mandalore. I vaguley remember in AotC's novel, that they explain that the Jedi exterminated the Mandalores, and Jango was the sole survivor.

It's a big jump from there to 'ulitmate warrior'.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2006-01-01 12:34pm

Cpl Kendall wrote:I don't think that Jango Fett is really a good choice to train an army. He is a bounty hunter, not a soldier. He might be able to teach squad level tactics (all though I find that highly suspect as well), but he would have little practical knowledge of anything above platoon level tactics, equipment and training.

He doesn't really need to be. He can hector the feddies to do things like make tanks, and use micro-photons for artillery, and such things. Those alone will let them piss on all other Trek ground forces from a great height.

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » 2006-01-01 01:24pm

NecronLord wrote:
He doesn't really need to be. He can hector the feddies to do things like make tanks, and use micro-photons for artillery, and such things. Those alone will let them piss on all other Trek ground forces from a great height.

Theres still the question of who's going to train the feddies on how to use the new equipment as well as who's going to train them in combined arms operations.

Lets face it, Fett can't do all of this on his own, regardless of how wanked out the EU makes him out to be.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2006-01-01 01:52pm

Cpl Kendall wrote:Theres still the question of who's going to train the feddies on how to use the new equipment as well as who's going to train them in combined arms operations.

Wermacht holograms?

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » 2006-01-01 02:57pm

NecronLord wrote:
Wermacht holograms?

Maybe they can modify the EMH program to create an army of Wermacht instructors.

LordShaithis · Post by **LordShaithis** » 2006-01-01 08:41pm

They need Sgt. Hartmann from Full Metal Jacket.

Guardsman Bass · Post by **Guardsman Bass** » 2006-01-02 12:11pm

Didn't AoTC mention that the Kaminoans already had a reputation for good clone armies? Jango is a good fighter, and possibly a good trainer, but he's not an all-in-one; even with some trustworthy men to help, he's basically going to have to build a effective Federation army from the ground up, and devise entirely new tactics for their weaponry.