[VOTED] Ban Poll for DEATH

Post by **Rob Wilson** » 2006-01-02 10:53am

This is the first bit of real business for the Senate and a chance for you to actually use the powers given to you.

As you know When someone fucks off the Mods through trolling or being Massively offensive, they get Banned so fast it's clse to breaking the laws of Physics. However there are those that become Gray area's, their behavior is on the borderline. It annoys the Mods and other users but not enough for the Mods to come down on them as they fel they should get the beefit of the doubt. This is where you come in.
You're not mods, you are the best posters on the Board, you get to make a decision here that affects your community.

DEATH (AKA .303 bookworm) has a track record of spamming and also starting threads, then changing his mind partway through and trying to backpedal out of it. He's ignored repeated requests from Mods to change his behavior and so has hit the end of the line, normally this would mean bye-bye for him, but we are giving you, as representatives of the board, the final say.

Below are a mix of his threads where he has either excessively spammed or changed his tune partway through (note, these are all recent, and don't include his behavior in private forums).

http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?t=81755

http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?t=82387

http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?t=81171

http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?t=81086

http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?t=81476

http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?t=82335

http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?t=81915

http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?t=81639

http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?t=80962

http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?t=80595

http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?t=82695

http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?t=82498

http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?t=81924

http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?t=81316

http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?t=81020

http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?t=81018

http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?t=80900

http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?t=80899

http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?t=80672

http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?t=80593

And there's more to follow, I'll edit the OP as more get sent to me.

So get voting (there are no abstentions on a Ban Poll), the poll is open for 2 days.

Post by **Zaia** » 2006-01-02 11:30am

I vote 'no.' He's still just a kid, and from what I recall, he hasn't even been titled yet.

Post by **Rob Wilson** » 2006-01-02 11:34am

Zaia wrote:I vote 'no.' He's still just a kid, and from what I recall, he hasn't even been titled yet.

Fair enough, but I'll remind you he's consistently spammed and ignored 4 warnings from Mods - hence the poll in the first place.

Post by **Zaia** » 2006-01-02 11:35am

Rob Wilson wrote:
Zaia wrote:I vote 'no.' He's still just a kid, and from what I recall, he hasn't even been titled yet.
Fair enough, but I'll remind you he's consistently spammed and ignored 4 warnings from Mods - hence the poll in the first place.

I understand that. My opinion stands that a ban is too harsh.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2006-01-02 11:40am

While I understand Zaia's point that he hasn't been even titled. That I leave more to procrastination.

In the beginning he was warned that spamming would lead to various consequences, and only once did he hold back. Since then he's literally return to pre warning levels and on multiple occasions in public been lambasted to stop spamming as well as PMs from moderators.

As such, if he didn't get the warning the first few times, the next few are unlikely to register.

Post by **Rob Wilson** » 2006-01-02 11:53am

Zaia wrote: I understand that. My opinion stands that a ban is too harsh.

Fair enough. I'm not arguing against your opinion, just pointing out why it's come to this. Let the voting continue.

GrandMasterTerwynn · Post by **GrandMasterTerwynn** » 2006-01-02 12:23pm

He seems to have always just skirted ban-stick territory, pretty much since he first arrived. If it wasn't his incessant spamming from his earliest days on the board, it is his astonishing inability to put threads in the right forums, a number of miscellaneous infractions of board policy, and a distressing tendency to "me-too." How he could've gone so long without a titling is inexplicable to me.

In his defense, he has attempted to make the occasional meaningful contribution to the board, and it starts to balance out the rest of his stuff, but that's a net contribution of zero after almost four-thousand posts. To have a someone with that many posts be notable mostly for spamming and/or me-tooing does not really justify voting "no" on his ban poll.

So I'm voting yes.

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2006-01-02 12:27pm

I vote no. He does seem to have a bad case of 'push submit before thinking' syndrome, but I concure that an outright ban is a bit harsh at this time. If I may so bold, he wasn't even been titled yet, and feel that would be a better route for the moment.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2006-01-02 12:31pm

He walks the line between annoying and spam happy.

I vote No.

Post by **Rob Wilson** » 2006-01-02 12:32pm

Knife wrote:I vote no. He does seem to have a bad case of 'push submit before thinking' syndrome, but I concure that an outright ban is a bit harsh at this time. If I may so bold, he wasn't even been titled yet, and feel that would be a better route for the moment.

If we get enugh no's then we'll hold a titling thread. I'm more for teh ban because he keeps breaking rules and ignoring mods, but we'll see what the outcome is.

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2006-01-02 12:39pm

Rob Wilson wrote:
Knife wrote:I vote no. He does seem to have a bad case of 'push submit before thinking' syndrome, but I concure that an outright ban is a bit harsh at this time. If I may so bold, he wasn't even been titled yet, and feel that would be a better route for the moment.
If we get enugh no's then we'll hold a titling thread. I'm more for teh ban because he keeps breaking rules and ignoring mods, but we'll see what the outcome is.

Fair enough. I only brought it up because, while I can see why he would give Mods a headache, he just strikes me as a naive and spacstic kid who doesn't put much thought into his posts. I can sympothize with that, everyone I think has their days. He just seems to have more of them.

Any way, if we drop the ban-hammer on him, he losses the chance to learn and perhaps improve. And, we loose the chance to mock him as the boards by line suggests.

Faram · Post by **Faram** » 2006-01-02 12:41pm

Even when a lot of his posts in G&C is straight from slashdot, I do not think he warrants a ban.

Post by **Zaia** » 2006-01-02 12:46pm

GrandMasterTerwynn wrote:How he could've gone so long without a titling is inexplicable to me.

The mods are responsible for that; he isn't. It doesn't excuse his behavoiur, but neither does it mean we should jump right to a ban, in my opinion.

Post by **Broomstick** » 2006-01-02 01:04pm

Knife wrote:he just strikes me as a naive and spacstic kid who doesn't put much thought into his posts. I can sympothize with that, everyone I think has their days. He just seems to have more of them.

I think this is the essence of my take on the situation - young, dumb, and full of too many posts (4k in 6 months?). So, in my mind, that leads to two questions:

1) Is he trainable?
2) Do we want to do the training?

He's annoying, but not a true troll. He wanks a lot, but has the potential to be either amusing or learn to ask interesting questions. Perhaps the situation has not been dealt with as promptly as would be ideal, but banning him at this point I'm not sure is justified. After all, none of us were born knowing good debating technique or posting etiquette, we had to learn and we all made mistakes along the way. So far, he hasn't been annoying enough for a quick-resolution slap-down, yet his manners still aren't up to snuff for a black-tie affair.

I'd vote for "probation" - spell out how he needs to improve, give him a time limit, and if change does not occur then up the sanction ladder until the message is received or he reaches the rung marked "banned"

Jason von Evil · Post by **Jason von Evil** » 2006-01-02 01:19pm

I vote no on a banning, as it seems too extreme right now. But I vote yes on a title.

Post by **Rob Wilson** » 2006-01-02 01:22pm

Jason von Evil wrote:I vote no on a banning, as it seems too extreme right now. But I vote yes on a title.

As I said, if we get enough no's then we'll go for a titling thread. Ah, democracy in action, well ok a representative Democracy, but why split hairs.

GrandMasterTerwynn · Post by **GrandMasterTerwynn** » 2006-01-02 01:46pm

Zaia wrote:
GrandMasterTerwynn wrote:How he could've gone so long without a titling is inexplicable to me.
The mods are responsible for that; he isn't. It doesn't excuse his behavoiur, but neither does it mean we should jump right to a ban, in my opinion.

True. However, he has exhibited a distinct pattern. He spams, he's flamed for it, he whines about being flamed, stops for a week, promises to spam less . . . and then does it again. As recently as the New Years Resolution thread in Testing. I will quote the relevant pieces, as Testing threads auto-destruct.

DEATH wrote:http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?t=83047
Hint hint, although I agree that OP is better suited than testing for this, so that memebers can re-check their resolves in 2007

EDIT:Gah, sorry, I didn't mean to act like a mod, I was just telling him about my previous identical thread, sorry, I didn't mean to try to tell him, SORRY, It's an unfortunate mistake made without any serious intent, I didn't mean to make a joke towards someone who I didn't know well, SORRY

And further whining about being corrected by the mods.

DEATH wrote:
Zed Snardbody wrote:
DEATH wrote:EDIT:Gah, sorry, I didn't mean to act like a mod, I was just telling him about my previous identical thread, sorry, I didn't mean to try to tell him, SORRY, It's an unfortunate mistake made without any serious intent, I didn't mean to make a joke towards someone who I didn't know well, SORRY

No offense taken.
Non meant, sorry if the post seemed a little cringy, I've been flamed a lot by mods recently forgiving the wrong impression or making jokes towards those who are'nt my busom companions

And DEATH being flamed by a moderator for complaining about the moderators doing their jobs:

Ghost Rider wrote:Gods, the reason I put it there, is simply because it's of less significane then going "Happy Birthday" or Merry Christmas.

Jeebus.

DEATH wrote:Non meant, sorry if the post seemed a little cringy, I've been flamed a lot by mods recently forgiving the wrong impression or making jokes towards those who are'nt my busom companions.

You been flamed because you are still SPAMMING you idiot. Do you not get it you spam, mods tell you to stop, you stop for a WEEK then begin again. So don't apply this little bullshit "I'm persecuted!!!!" visage. You've spammed a fucking private forum with fucking nearly ten goddamn useless topic of LINKS.

Moved to testing along with the other.

He's been here since May and his signal-to-noise ratio had generally remained constant, in spite of efforts to the contrary. Certainly he ought to be titled, I won't disagree with that. On the other hand, offensive titles don't really seem to do much, apart from designate the holder of the title as a suitable target for being a chew-toy or flames, and he seems to get flamed enough for his worst behavior as it is. In my admittedly limited point of view, if the banning poll is close, it might serve as a wake-up call. If a temporary ban were to result from it, it might work even better.

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2006-01-02 01:51pm

I certainly think he should recieve some kind of punishment, but I don't agree with going straight to a permanent ban.

Post by **Dalton** » 2006-01-02 01:51pm

I don't think a ban is quite called for yet, but I am certainly not above doing something to help curb his altogether too prolific posting.

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2006-01-02 01:56pm

Absolutely not. There are intermediate steps nobody has even tried to take yet, and there are better candidates for a perm-ban out there anyway.

Post by **Zaia** » 2006-01-02 01:57pm

GrandMasterTerwynn wrote:True. However, he has exhibited a distinct pattern. He spams, he's flamed for it, he whines about being flamed, stops for a week, promises to spam less . . . and then does it again. As recently as the New Years Resolution thread in Testing. I will quote the relevant pieces, as Testing threads auto-destruct.

<snip quotes>

He's been here since May and his signal-to-noise ratio had generally remained constant, in spite of efforts to the contrary. Certainly he ought to be titled, I won't disagree with that. On the other hand, offensive titles don't really seem to do much, apart from designate the holder of the title as a suitable target for being a chew-toy or flames, and he seems to get flamed enough for his worst behavior as it is. In my admittedly limited point of view, if the banning poll is close, it might serve as a wake-up call. If a temporary ban were to result from it, it might work even better.

*nods* I understand your point, and I agree that something should be done to change his behaviour. A title may work, or it may not. You're right that it's not a very large punishment, but it has worked for some in the past. However, I do agree that a temporary ban will probably get the message across the best if we're looking to see if he can change. I believe that he's a kid who, at least on some level really is trying, and that he deserves one more chance, since he hasn't been formally punished as of yet. If he can't pull himself together, he'll end up back on the chopping block soon enough anyway.

Post by **LadyTevar** » 2006-01-02 02:41pm

My fellow mods seem to think that I have a soft-spot for the kid, but I honestly think that he does have potiential, if he can train himself out of the spamming gigs and whining. Down deep, I think there's a diamond within him. It's just gonna take a lot of cutting and polishing to make him shine.

No Banning.
If a title will show that he needs to grow, Title him.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2006-01-02 02:47pm

Ignoring four seperate mod warning demonstrates he has no interest in improving. Both bullshit and diamonds are carbon-based; but you can't polish a turd until it's jewelry.

My tolerance for this member has passed the breaking point. I vote ban.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2006-01-02 03:17pm

I cast the second vote in this poll. The rationale behind that vote is written in Nitram's words. I do not see much to be gained from giving him yet another chance at reintegrating.

Post by **Edi** » 2006-01-02 03:20pm

My first instinct would actually to drop the heavy end of the Ban Hammer on him with utmost prejudice, but after reading the justifications of the members who as of yet oppose a ban *grits teeth* I must with extreme reluctance agree with them and vote "no".

However, it is the very fucking last chance I'm ever going to give him, and the next time he steps out of line, off with his head. His intentions about promising not to spam anymore might be sincere, but they're about as long-lived as naturally occurring positrons and the inability to comprehend even repeated, detailed explanations of why and how he does things wrong and complete obliviousness to practically any and all social dynamics around him are absolutely infuriating. He's not even bothered to pay attention to who the mods in the forums he posts in are, for fuck's sake. Good thing there are the tags now, there can be no excuse for not noticing anymore.

So while DEATH looks set to make another Twofloweresque escape now, I expect that we will be holding another one of these proceedings for him in the not too far distant future, and if, or rather when, that happens, my vote will be a resounding "yes."

For now, just title the spammer, but make it something really offensive, and preferably also revoke his avatar and sig privileges.

Edi

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