Borg Vs Yuuzhan Vong

Einhander Sn0m4n · Post by **Einhander Sn0m4n** » 2006-01-05 05:50pm

Please forgive me, lock and HoS the thread, and flame and mock me mercilessly if this has been done before

My friend Marquis went to the Social Security office, and some asshat there proposed a RAR! Vs. Scenario:

All Out War between the Borg and the YV.

OmegaGuy · Post by **OmegaGuy** » 2006-01-05 05:51pm

The Vong have SW - level firepower, so they should win.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2006-01-05 06:00pm

SW level firepower for the win.

Post by **Surlethe** » 2006-01-05 06:04pm

If they can take on the Republic, and, IIRC, take Coruscant itself, they can certainly piss on the Federation with impunity.

Solauren · Post by **Solauren** » 2006-01-05 06:40pm

Depends on if you are going with writer intent.

The Vong organic weapons were made SW firepower level to make it fair.

Give them Borg level firepower as author intent, it could be more interesting.

Post by **Surlethe** » 2006-01-05 06:42pm

Solauren wrote:Depends on if you are going with writer intent.

The Vong organic weapons were made SW firepower level to make it fair.

Give them Borg level firepower as author intent, it could be more interesting.

That's silly. Going by "writer intent", the Federation always wins in the end, so there's no point in matching it up with the Empire, for example. If there's going to be a rational comparison, you have to do it suspending disbelief for both sides.

Darth Cronos the Proud · Post by **Darth Cronos the Proud** » 2006-01-05 07:12pm

The real question is wether the Borg would be able to adapt the bological tecnology of the Vong. Technically the problems the Borg would have adapting Imperial technology (with the technology gap making it very difficult for the borg to convert) might not be the same as adapting biological tech (if the Borg could. I'm not a big Treck Fam, but I would think they could, being as they say that both a civ's technology and biologics would be asborbed into the collective.)

I would think that if the Borg was able to get hold of even one small crusier analog and was able to absorb it, the fight would go to the Borg on the basis that the Vong were winning in the SW Galaxy thanks in part to massive betrayals by people and organizations like the Peace Brigade. The Borg are mindless and don't know about treachary. Their suicidal attacks would prob wear down the Vong and they'd be finihsed.

OmegaGuy · Post by **OmegaGuy** » 2006-01-05 07:23pm

The Borg couldn't adapt to Species 8472 partially because they used biotech.

Imperial Overlord · Post by **Imperial Overlord** » 2006-01-05 07:28pm

Darth Cronos the Proud wrote: <noob stuff>

1) Adaptation is not a magical, no-limits process. Adapting alien and vastly more powerful biotech isn't going to happen overnight. They certainly weren't able to do it against the fluidic space bastards.

2)The borg are good at adapting to frequency-based weaponry. Solar flares, nearby exploding planets, and bullets work quite nicely. First Contact shows that if you bring enough firepower, even borg shields fail. Star Trek photon torpedoes are double digit megatons at most. Acclamator transports have medium turbolasers rated at 200 gigatons. Wars firepower for the win.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2006-01-05 07:29pm

OmegaGuy wrote:The Borg couldn't adapt to Species 8472 partially because they used biotech.

Not entirely accurate, they couldn't assimilate 8472 because thier immune systems destroyed the nanites. They couldn't adapt because 8472 had them in raw power and thus didn't give them the chance to.

Darth Cronos the Proud · Post by **Darth Cronos the Proud** » 2006-01-05 07:48pm

Would Dovan Basils block transporters? Or would the Rock-like outer hull of a Vong ship block them? If neither, then the Borg could easily overrun a Vong ship, overpower and kill key personel and destory key operating systems before the Vong knew what happened? Unless the Vong know about transporters and is able to grow an anti-transporter defensive creature, I'm still up in the air.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2006-01-05 08:11pm

It has been done, and given that Wars can with Fighter craft versus most mundane ST powers(barring those of being with planetary powers)....we know who wins, time and time again.

The side that can pump out GT minimum level firepower against MT shields.

Noble Ire · Post by **Noble Ire** » 2006-01-05 10:04pm

Would Dovan Basils block transporters? Or would the Rock-like outer hull of a Vong ship block them?

Dovin Bassals generate a very strong gravitic fields, even passively (if I'm interpriting their ability of their sensors to identify any of their ships simply by it's gravity signature.) Such things have been known to block transporters, IIRC. The same thing goes for the Yorik coral, some superdense materials block the beams, and Yorik coral is strong enough to stand up to turbolasers shots, if not for long.

Darth Cronos the Proud · Post by **Darth Cronos the Proud** » 2006-01-05 10:11pm

Noble Ire wrote:
Would Dovan Basils block transporters? Or would the Rock-like outer hull of a Vong ship block them?
Dovin Bassals generate a very strong gravitic fields, even passively (if I'm interpriting their ability of their sensors to identify any of their ships simply by it's gravity signature.) Such things have been known to block transporters, IIRC. The same thing goes for the Yorik coral, some superdense materials block the beams, and Yorik coral is strong enough to stand up to turbolasers shots, if not for long.

Sounds good to me, all of my questions have been answered. I like the Vong.

Sidewinder · Post by **Sidewinder** » 2006-01-05 10:50pm

I vote Borg because I f***ing hate the f***ing Vong. When the Borg were introduced, Picard's behavior changed from that of a castrato singing his heart out for peace and love, to Rambo coming out from retirement to kick ass. When the Vong were introduced, the behavior of the SW heroes we know and love changed to that of lobotomized zombies, raving lunatics, and whiny crybabies-- NOT an improvement.

Zwinmar · Post by **Zwinmar** » 2006-01-06 01:05am

While i hate the Vong, id have to say they would win, the Borg are simply too weak vs. Wars weaponry

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2006-01-06 01:14am

At this point it almost seems reasonable that ST vs. SW threads of this nature be put down. The Vong vs. The Borg? Are you fucking joking?

I have an idea of a thread in O-SciFi. I'm going to name it Borg Cube vs. Zulu warriors!!!!

I'm all for new versus that actually make you sit and wonder, but really what's the point now?

Silver Jedi · Post by **Silver Jedi** » 2006-01-06 03:22am

Einhander Sn0m4n wrote:Please forgive me, lock and HoS the thread, and flame and mock me mercilessly if this has been done before

I'll leave the locking and HoSing to the mods. I forgive you, and it's 2 am, so I won't even bother to flame and mock you mercilessly, but I am going to have to vote for "Ein is a Gigantic Blooming Fucking Idiot!". Sorry.
Yuzzhan Vong vs The Borg

Silver Jedi · Post by **Silver Jedi** » 2006-01-06 03:47am

Ghetto edit:
also:
Vong vs. the Borg
and a slightly different question.

Bounty · Post by **Bounty** » 2006-01-06 04:38am

I voted option three.

Though I get the distinct impression that a large number of people wouldn't mind seeing the Vong get beaten, even if it is by the Borg - why are that that hated ?

Imperial Overlord · Post by **Imperial Overlord** » 2006-01-06 05:43am

Bounty wrote:I voted option three.

Though I get the distinct impression that a large number of people wouldn't mind seeing the Vong get beaten, even if it is by the Borg - why are that that hated ?

1) Biowank without mercy

2) Crappy writing throughout most of the series.

3) Having the New Republic act like incompetent morons so the Vong can be threat.

4) Letting the Vong off without severe punishment at the end, despite having committed a titanic amount of mass murder.

Darth Cronos the Proud · Post by **Darth Cronos the Proud** » 2006-01-06 05:54am

I don't know, I like the Vong more than the Borg anyway. It though the Vong's religious zelotry combined with biotech was and interesting new twist to the SW universe. And they have the potential for growth and change, not so with the Borg (as I perceive them; I could be wrong.) At the begining of the Dark Swarm trilogy, we see Tahiri(sp?) mediating a dispute between two Vong on their new homeworld of Zenoma Sekot(sp?) In this scene there's an ex-warrior and an ex-shamed one. I would love to see a more detailed look at how the species as a whole, as well as individuals from each caste, adjusted to the new change. But this is a thought for a different thread in a different forum.

Bounty · Post by **Bounty** » 2006-01-06 05:58am

And they have the potential for growth and change, not so with the Borg (as I perceive them; I could be wrong.)

The Borg did change, but not in a good way, and almost entirely due to incompetent writing.

The Dark · Post by **The Dark** » 2006-01-06 06:05pm

Imperial Overlord wrote:
Bounty wrote:I voted option three.

Though I get the distinct impression that a large number of people wouldn't mind seeing the Vong get beaten, even if it is by the Borg - why are that that hated ?
1) Biowank without mercy

Although to be fair, it seemed to be implied that they had focused on biotechnology for around the same amount of time that the Star Wars galaxy had had "standard" technology.

2) Crappy writing throughout most of the series.

No argument there.

3) Having the New Republic act like incompetent morons so the Vong can be threat.

Which differs from the entire rest of the EU how, exactly?

4) Letting the Vong off without severe punishment at the end, despite having committed a titanic amount of mass murder.

Never read the last ones in the series, so I can't argue that point.

Noble Ire · Post by **Noble Ire** » 2006-01-06 07:17pm

Although to be fair, it seemed to be implied that they had focused on biotechnology for around the same amount of time that the Star Wars galaxy had had "standard" technology.

Not to mention the fact that, with the exception of a few oddities like Dovin Bassals (which themselves didn't hold up well under strain), their biotech was inferior to good old durasteel and plastoid.

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