Star Trek/Star Wars gets infested with Aliens!

[T-1000]

Flash back to the time of the Republic, when the Jedi were still around.

Now picture an Alien (from the movies) spaceship crashing landing on the planet (I'm sure there are numerous orbital emplacements to prevent that from happening, just humor me here). Naturally, people start investigating, and before long, the little acid-bleeders start capturing people, and breeding. They eventually make their way into a series of tunnels and inways systems, where they begin to breed like rabbits.

Could the jedi stop them? Could Coruscant ever find a way to exterminate the little buggers, given their lack of pre-knoweldge about the Aliens?


Now picture halfway across the universe, on another planet. Earth. An Alien ship crash lands on Earth. The Federation, being naturally stupid and naturally curious, board the craft with a science team and medical in case anyone was hurt. The Aliens start breeding and killing. Same thing. They find caverns, sewers, wherever they can start making new nests, and beging capturing people and breeding like tribbles.

Can the Federation rid their own capital world of this infestation? How long before the Federation finally stops trying to make peace with the Aliens and realizes "Hey! They're trying to kill us. Maybe we should shoot them!"

Which planet has a worst infestation? Which one takes longer to get rid of the Aliens?

[KhyronTheBackstabber]

If they got a foot hold on the planet, and were spreading across the globe, then I'd say there's only two smart things to do. One, blow the planet up. Seeing how were talking about the old Republic, and the Feds, the only thing they could do is quaritine the planet. Too many lives would be lost trying to fight them off.

There was a book called Earth Hive, where the Aliens started infesting Earth. At first Earth was fighting them off, but the Aliens adapte, and instead of making huge ant like mounds for entrences, they went to smaller hives, that made it nearly impossable to find, and exsterminate. They had to evacuate the planet.

[EmperorMing]

The Empire/Republic would use war droids to clear out the infestation.

Feds would loose oh-so-many lives, then technobabble thier way out with the use of some acid-resistant cream/suit or whatever and then exterminate them. Or leave some for study.

Heck, just use force fields and contain the little critters, then beam them out into space/orbit and have them burn up in the atmosphere...

[EmperorMing]

Or beam them into some nuclear furnace...

[beyond hope]

Coruscant is ultimately going to have the worst infestation. It's a simple matter of scale: Coruscant is a city covering a whole planet to the point where buildings rise hundreds of stories above the highest mountain peak on the planet. The lower levels of Coruscant are *already* infested with dangerous predators somewhat akin to xenomorphs: they'll have *lots* of room to hide in. The Republic will have to move quickly to contain the xenomorphs, or they'll have a huge problem on their hands. The Republic does have two saving graces: battle droids, and flamethrowers. The droids will not fear to go in and root the Xenos out, and fire will make short work of them. Blasters and lightsabers will also be well-suited to combating xenos since they both have a cauterizing effect which will minimize acid splatter. If it's Clone War period, things will be uglier: clones may be superior to droids for combat, but they can also serve as xenomorph hosts. The droids have the advantage of not feeding the infestation further when they take losses.

The Feds may have an easier time of it, in part because Earth doesn't have nearly the volume of territory to cover that Coruscant does. Phasers will prove highly useful here, since a disintegrated xenomorph won't spatter acid about. Even in the cases where the phaser hit isn't solid enough to outright dematerialize one, phasers appear to cauterize wounds: this will be a plus considering the acidic blood. The Feddies' love of active scanners *may* help as well, though I'm reminded of a quote from Starship Troopers about what happens to the guy with the needlessly overcomplicated equipment (in this case, a Xeno eats his brain while he's watching a tricorder screen.) Ming's "transport and contain" idea has definite merit, however you WILL need kill teams to root out the hives in spots where the transporters can't penetrate. That's going to be where the Redshirts (err, Goldshirts... damn that change of uniform) start dying in droves.

Both fights are ugly. Coruscant is uglier just on sheer scale.

[omegaLancer]

From all the vary tales about the hazard of Coruscant underground, the aliens critter find themselve on the bottom of a vast food chain, and are eaten by force invisible tunnel worm or some exotic escape pet.

Occasionly a few manage to overcome some halpless tourist that get lost in the vast underground, but on the whole the natives of Coruscant mark it as another dumb tourist not knowing his way around the city. On the whole the infestation goes unnotice

[Lord of the Farce]

Coruscant is ultimately going to have the worst infestation. It's a simple matter of scale: Coruscant is a city covering a whole planet to the point where buildings rise hundreds of stories above the highest mountain peak on the planet. The lower levels of Coruscant are *already* infested with dangerous predators somewhat akin to xenomorphs: they'll have *lots* of room to hide in. The Republic will have to move quickly to contain the xenomorphs, or they'll have a huge problem on their hands.

Wouldn't the same scale (and many natural predators, including a good few that would probably be impossible to use as hosts) also mean that it would make it difficult for the xenomorph infestation to hold a big impact quickly? And the fact that practically every citizen could be carrying a half-decent weapons will mean that it is harder for the xenomorphs to capture a host without loss.

If it's Clone War period, things will be uglier: clones may be superior to droids for combat, but they can also serve as xenomorph hosts. The droids have the advantage of not feeding the infestation further when they take losses.

The Clone Soldiers might mean potential hosts, but that probably won't happen unless their helmets are off, and that isn't very likely to happen unless they are captured (and that won't happen until they can subdue the clones of the most bad-ass bounty hunter in the galaxy). Also, with the xenomorphs' lack of projectile weapons, the Jedi in Clone Wars period numbers would slice and dice through the xenomorphs' ranks.

The Feds may have an easier time of it, in part because Earth doesn't have nearly the volume of territory to cover that Coruscant does.

Fed Earth does have a lot less people and is a lot more open, but how many people would normally be carry any sort of object that would be considered a weapon?

Phasers will prove highly useful here, since a disintegrated xenomorph won't spatter acid about. Even in the cases where the phaser hit isn't solid enough to outright dematerialize one, phasers appear to cauterize wounds: this will be a plus considering the acidic blood.

But this is when phasers are firing at near-full power. Normally, when a person is hit by a phaser beam, they just jerk backwards onto the floor with a small burn mark at the contact point.

The Feddies' love of active scanners *may* help as well, though I'm reminded of a quote from Starship Troopers about what happens to the guy with the needlessly overcomplicated equipment (in this case, a Xeno eats his brain while he's watching a tricorder screen.)

And tricorders doesn't help you all that much if you are being swarmed from every direction and all you have to help you see are those flashlights on top of some phaser rifles.

Ming's "transport and contain" idea has definite merit, however you WILL need kill teams to root out the hives in spots where the transporters can't penetrate. That's going to be where the Redshirts (err, Goldshirts... damn that change of uniform) start dying in droves.

Messy.

Both fights are ugly. Coruscant is uglier just on sheer scale.

Though actual numbers of casualties might be higher on Coruscant, if we are judging on percentages at the end (casualties over total population), I think that Coruscant would come up on top.

[SpyderGS]

Keep in mind that you are only argueing the active xenomorphs. You have to clean out all the egg pods as well or the whole thing starts over again sooner or later.

However, I would have to agree that the Old Republic/Empire would come out on top. They would ultimately commit to exterminating the Xenos. There would be extensive use of battle droids, explosive devices and the likelihood of the wholesale destruction of vast portions of the Coruscant lower levels.

The Feds would probably have some retarded moral obligation to prevent the complete extermination of of an extremely dangerous species. That and they would send in team to capture the Xenos with forcefields. Imagine Federation teams equipped like the Ghostbusters, they've got one contained and are manuevering it to a force field cage when the rest of the hive pops in for lunch. And of course with the Feds being as dense as they are, it would take at least a dozen teams before anyone caught on.
The Feds would probably abandon Earth rather than commit to the casualties needed to root them out.

[consequences]

Could an Alien even penetrate Stormtrooper armor? Could its acid?

[Darth Balls]

The Xenomorphs can get through quite a lot. Remember just a little blood from the facehugger in Alien burned right through several decks.

[Sea Skimmer]

The Republic could handle it, even on Coruscant. Going to be bloody and expensive though. But heck the local police would number in the tens of billions alone. Jedi could find and slay the queen.

The Federation is fucked, but there limited volume of traffic and use of transporters should limit them from spreading to another world.

[Sea Skimmer]

The Xenomorphs can get through quite a lot. Remember just a little blood from the facehugger in Alien burned right through several decks.

On the other hand when it got sprayed on peoples faces they got light burns. The age of the alien may have something to do with it; the younger ones don't have as potent acid or something.

[Darth Balls]

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[T-1000]

Could an Alien even penetrate Stormtrooper armor? Could its acid?

An Alien's acid would probably very easily melt through Stormtrooper armor.

A facehugger couldn't infect through stormtrooper armor, but the easy way around that is just remove the damn helmet. I do think the Alien are smart enough to appreciate when something is obstructing the face, the easiest way to expose the face is by removing the obstruction.

[T-1000]

The Xenomorphs can get through quite a lot. Remember just a little blood from the facehugger in Alien burned right through several decks.

On the other hand when it got sprayed on peoples faces they got light burns. The age of the alien may have something to do with it; the younger ones don't have as potent acid or something.

It would make up for the fact that the facehuggers have no other way of defending themselves, short of impregnating another host.

[T-1000]

From all the vary tales about the hazard of Coruscant underground, the aliens critter find themselve on the bottom of a vast food chain, and are eaten by force invisible tunnel worm or some exotic escape pet.

That might actually make things worse for Coruscant. In the comics, Alien form new more deadlier strans based on what race of creatures they breed from. When an Alien impregnates a Predator (from the movie of the same name), the resulting creature is so horrible and deadly that natural, normal Aliens will kill it on sight.

If the same thing is true here, Coruscant could be looking at a whole new breed of dangerous Aliens, assuming the hives begin infecting creatures down in the depths of Coruscant.

[beyond hope]

Like T-1000 said, the final shape of the xenomorph drone depends on what it gestates from: imagine one hatched from an ackley, or a rancor. Helmets may not make as much of a difference as you think: drones are smart enough to pull the facemasks off Predators, and don't forget that in "Alien" the facehugger's victim was hugged *through* his suit helmet.

Bear in mind that Predators are dangerous fighters, both in hand to hand and at range. They have enormous physical strength, are tough to kill and carry a shoulder cannon which is probably close in power to SW blaster rifles. Xenomorphs are a serious challenge to them in combat. The advantage the Clonetroopers will have compared to the Predators is that they're not looking to hunt xenomorphs for sport.