Tyrannise

[Neko_Oni]

C'Tan don't have any connection to the warp do they? That's why they're scared of Warp based weapons and are trying to seal off the warp from realspace. Is that right?

[Tatterdemalion]

It was in the Eye of Terror, which doesn't count, as the laws of physics are messed up there

Hmm, ok, well let's look at this objectively (and buy objectively I do, of course, mean biased as hell.):

Tzeentch:
* Knows the hopes and dreams of everyone in the universe.
* Can see every strand of fate in existence, thus can see all the possible outcomes of every event.* Seems to be one of the few entities in the galaxy who actually knows anything about the star child (The Deciever still thinks the Emporer's a corpse, unles he was lying in 'Deus Ex Mechanicus' which, while very possible, is kind of pointless as the only human who heard him is likely dead.)
*Percieves every event, every intention in the universe. So is basicly all-seeing.
*The desire change/the hope for a better future, is present in everyone, the Deciever would have his work cut out trying to stop the universes mortal population fueling him.

The Deciever:
*Persuaded a sadistic blood-crazed maniac with a love of Death to kill some other C'tan who were likely his enemies anyway (The C'tan don't seem a particularly happy little family.)
*Pretended to be a human.

And so, from completely unbiased and totally objective study, and a cursorery glance at a necron codex once a few months ago, I have concluded that Tzeentch in unquetionably better than the Deciever at everything.

[Neko_Oni]

Persuaded a sadistic blood-crazed maniac with a love of Death to kill some other C'tan who were likely his enemies anyway (The C'tan don't seem a particularly happy little family.)

Wasn't the Laughing God the one who tricked the Outsider into eating the other C'Tan?

[Evil Sadistic Bastard]

Persuaded a sadistic blood-crazed maniac with a love of Death to kill some other C'tan who were likely his enemies anyway (The C'tan don't seem a particularly happy little family.)

Wasn't the Laughing God the one who tricked the Outsider into eating the other C'Tan?

The Deceiver tricked the C'Tan into eating each other, but the Nightbringer ate the most. The Deceiver is wimpy in combat, but he is a bastard of incredible cunning.

[NecronLord]

It was in the Eye of Terror, which doesn't count, as the laws of physics are messed up there

Hmm, ok, well let's look at this objectively (and buy objectively I do, of course, mean biased as hell.):

Tzeentch:
* Knows the hopes and dreams of everyone in the universe.

Incorrect. C'tan Paraiahs Illuminati Sensei Grey Nights Trained Psykers so on so forth...

* Can see every strand of fate in existence, thus can see all the possible outcomes of every event.* Seems to be one of the few entities in the galaxy who actually knows anything about the star child (The Deciever still thinks the Emporer's a corpse, unles he was lying in 'Deus Ex Mechanicus' which, while very possible, is kind of pointless as the only human who heard him is likely dead.)

A) C'tan view the warp as an inconvinience, by their standards he is a corpse. B) The Deciever. He couldn't possibly lie now could he?

*Percieves every event, every intention in the universe. So is basicly all-seeing.

See above

*The desire change/the hope for a better future, is present in everyone, the Deciever would have his work cut out trying to stop the universes mortal population fueling him.

Incorrect the C'tan project called, rather religiously in the codex, "The Great Warding" will seal off the warp. Period. all chaos Deamons and 'gods' will be destroyed in the process.

The Deciever:
*Persuaded a sadistic blood-crazed maniac with a love of Death to kill some other C'tan who were likely his enemies anyway (The C'tan don't seem a particularly happy little family.)

Somewhat like the chaos 'gods' then

*Pretended to be a human.

And so, from completely unbiased and totally objective study, and a cursorery glance at a necron codex once a few months ago, I have concluded that Tzeentch in unquetionably better than the Deciever at everything.

I should probably add that he started the Gothic War, manipulating countless Chaos entities including Tzeench into participating in that war.

And as for the Planet that resembled a rose...

"Entire species had been brought into existance as their playthings." What has Tzeench managed? Beastmen?

[Tatterdemalion]

And likely Tzeentch would have gotten his ass handed to him by the C'Tan if they ever met.

Oh really?:

Well lets think about this, if Cherubael is a daemon prince and he posesses enough power to frag a warlord titan, and if we multiply that many times over in order to get an idea of the God-like powers posessed by Tzeentch, were he ever to take a host, I think we could conclude that the Deciever would only even survive due to the whole 'Necodemus' thing.

[Space Marine Bob]

And likely Tzeentch would have gotten his ass handed to him by the C'Tan if they ever met.

Oh really?:

Well lets think about this, if Cherubael is a daemon prince and he posesses enough power to frag a warlord titan, and if we multiply that many times over in order to get an idea of the God-like powers posessed by Tzeentch, were he ever to take a host, I think we could conclude that the Deciever would only even survive due to the whole 'Necodemus' thing.

If Tzeentch could even pin the Deceiver down in the first place. He is not called the master of deception and lies for nothing, you know.

[NecronLord]

And likely Tzeentch would have gotten his ass handed to him by the C'Tan if they ever met.

Oh really?:

Well lets think about this, if Cherubael is a daemon prince and he posesses enough power to frag a warlord titan, and if we multiply that many times over in order to get an idea of the God-like powers posessed by Tzeentch, were he ever to take a host, I think we could conclude that the Deciever would only even survive due to the whole 'Necodemus' thing.

Aside from the fact that it was a chaos possessed titan and that cherubeal is more likely to have simply forced its occupant to overload the reactors...

Calcs for a C'tan feeding on a main sequence star...

3 days = planet destroying power. (a la death star)

Nightbringer gives us hugely bigger numbers. each pulse consumed by the nightbringer is equivalent to millions of years main sequence star output...

Also I might add that cherubael never again demonstrates that kind of power. The fact that any tom dick or harry psyker can imprison cherubael by preforming the proper ritual takes it down a bit. Also I might add that when he was free (to prevent you claiming that he is like that when let loose) a few Grey Knights and an Inquisitor (Quixos) Kicked the shit out of him...

[Neko_Oni]

I have a white dwarf (271) in which the Harlequins (coolest of the Eldar) re-enacte the Outsiders defeat. The Great Harlequin plays the Laughing God and makes each Yngir look like the Laughing God, when the Outsider kills the Laughing God the illusion disappears to reveal a fellow Yngir.

[Space Marine Bob]

I wanted to ask... who is this guy, The Master, from Dr. Who?

[NecronLord]

I have a white dwarf (271) in which the Harlequins (coolest of the Eldar) re-enacte the Outsiders defeat. The Great Harlequin plays the Laughing God and makes each Yngir look like the Laughing God, when the Outsider kills the Laughing God the illusion disappears to reveal a fellow Yngir.

Ah yes

A) the Outsider was never particularly clever
B) You really trust the eldar?

[Neko_Oni]

Ah yes

A) the Outsider was never particularly clever
B) You really trust the eldar?

I'm just trying to clear up some confusing fluff. Both The Deceiver and The Laughing God tricked various Yngir (C'Tan) at some point.
Of course I trust the Eldar, stupid mon-keigh are just there to be manipulated. The C'Tan on the other hand have joined the "Eldar brown trousers time" list along with the Tyranids and Slaneesh.

[Tatterdemalion]

Incorrect. C'tan Paraiahs Illuminati Sensei Grey Nights Trained Psykers so on so forth...

So where does it say trained psykers ae immune to this (Look at Ahriman and tell me he wasn't being manipulated, Tzeentch knew what was going on in his head.) Not to mention the last page of the 3rd edition 40k rulebook. (before the Roster cards.) Tell me those sensei weren't taken for all they were worth.

A) C'tan view the warp as an inconvinience, by their standards he is a corpse. B) The Deciever. He couldn't possibly lie now could he?

A) An inconvenience that could potentially destroy them all. B) Yes, but what reason would he have to lie?

See above

Ah, but while Tzeentch can't use the whole 'hopes and dreams' thing he can still see the strands of fate that make up the universe, if you think about it, it should be possible to predict what the C'tan will do simply by watching the actions of thos around them (Kinda like in SW:AoTC where Yoda and Obi-wan found the location of Kamino by its unusual abscence. Not gonna be easy, but Tzeentch's mind shoul be capable of it.)

Incorrect the C'tan project called, rather religiously in the codex, "The Great Warding" will seal off the warp. Period. all chaos Deamons and 'gods' will be destroyed in the process.

If it works.

I should probably add that he started the Gothic War, manipulating countless Chaos entities including Tzeench into participating in that war.

Whose to say Tzeentch was manipulated? Tzeentches schemes never make sense at first, and many events he organizes at first appear
to be to his own detriment (eg. Rubric of Ahriman.)

[Tatterdemalion]

Aside from the fact that it was a chaos possessed titan and that cherubeal is more likely to have simply forced its occupant to overload the reactors...

Calcs for a C'tan feeding on a main sequence star...

3 days = planet destroying power. (a la death star)

Nightbringer gives us hugely bigger numbers. each pulse consumed by the nightbringer is equivalent to millions of years main sequence star output...

Also I might add that cherubael never again demonstrates that kind of power. The fact that any tom dick or harry psyker can imprison cherubael by preforming the proper ritual takes it down a bit. Also I might add that when he was free (to prevent you claiming that he is like that when let loose) a few Grey Knights and an Inquisitor (Quixos) Kicked the shit out of him...

Yeah the whole sorcery thing is a bit of a downer, however the Deciever isn't exactly noted for his knowledge of magic now is he? (Astronomical power over the physical universe yes. Sorcery magic and phychic power? Less than the average Tau.)
And if the decivers so powerful how come a few good heavy weapon hits can take him down? (granted the person controlling the army in question was a dunce, but hey, a victory's a victory.) Won't kill the Deciever, but neither of them can really kill each other anyway.

[NecronLord]

Incorrect. C'tan Paraiahs Illuminati Sensei Grey Nights Trained Psykers so on so forth...

So where does it say trained psykers ae immune to this (Look at Ahriman and tell me he wasn't being manipulated, Tzeentch knew what was going on in his head.) Not to mention the last page of the 3rd edition 40k rulebook. (before the Roster cards.) Tell me those sensei weren't taken for all they were worth.

Ahriman Opened himself to it. The numerous examples of Tzeenchian Greater Deamons getting shafted by other psykers e.g. Elrad Uthran, The Emperor etc etc. I should correct the above to <Powerful and Trained>

And as for the Sensei Keep in mind that that is an Inquisitors report. Earlier fluff, if you look it up, will tell you that the sensei really are the children of the emperor. Biologically his offspring... The star-child is not Tzeench he is the Emperor. The inquisitors managed to screw up the imperiums best chance of survival.

A) C'tan view the warp as an inconvinience, by their standards he is a corpse. B) The Deciever. He couldn't possibly lie now could he?

A) An inconvenience that could potentially destroy them all. B) Yes, but what reason would he have to lie?

Errm the emperor will destroy how..... The warp itself can destroy them (in theory, though note it has never suceeded)
He is the deciver, he has many reasons to lie. Down that road lies madness.

See above

Ah, but while Tzeentch can't use the whole 'hopes and dreams' thing he can still see the strands of fate that make up the universe, if you think about it, it should be possible to predict what the C'tan will do simply by watching the actions of thos around them (Kinda like in SW:AoTC where Yoda and Obi-wan found the location of Kamino by its unusual abscence. Not gonna be easy, but Tzeentch's mind shoul be capable of it.)

Those around him? The Necrons?

Incorrect the C'tan project called, rather religiously in the codex, "The Great Warding" will seal off the warp. Period. all chaos Deamons and 'gods' will be destroyed in the process.

If it works.

Considering the numerous examples of tech working on the warp, and the fact that the C'tan are immortal, they will suceed in time.

I should probably add that he started the Gothic War, manipulating countless Chaos entities including Tzeench into participating in that war.

Whose to say Tzeentch was manipulated? Tzeentches schemes never make sense at first, and many events he organizes at first appear
to be to his own detriment (eg. Rubric of Ahriman.)

Cop out. Whose to say he wasn't? (oh and for your info Games workshop are )

[NecronLord]

Aside from the fact that it was a chaos possessed titan and that cherubeal is more likely to have simply forced its occupant to overload the reactors...

Calcs for a C'tan feeding on a main sequence star...

3 days = planet destroying power. (a la death star)

Nightbringer gives us hugely bigger numbers. each pulse consumed by the nightbringer is equivalent to millions of years main sequence star output...

Also I might add that cherubael never again demonstrates that kind of power. The fact that any tom dick or harry psyker can imprison cherubael by preforming the proper ritual takes it down a bit. Also I might add that when he was free (to prevent you claiming that he is like that when let loose) a few Grey Knights and an Inquisitor (Quixos) Kicked the shit out of him...

Yeah the whole sorcery thing is a bit of a downer, however the Deciever isn't exactly noted for his knowledge of magic now is he? (Astronomical power over the physical universe yes. Sorcery magic and phychic power? Less than the average Tau.)
And if the decivers so powerful how come a few good heavy weapon hits can take him down? (granted the person controlling the army in question was a dunce, but hey, a victory's a victory.) Won't kill the Deciever, but neither of them can really kill each other anyway.

Game balance. How annoyed would you be if someone tried to play you with a fluffed up C'tan.

"He's a god, therefore you all were just basted a la death star"

[Evil Sadistic Bastard]

Aside from the fact that it was a chaos possessed titan and that cherubeal is more likely to have simply forced its occupant to overload the reactors...

Calcs for a C'tan feeding on a main sequence star...

3 days = planet destroying power. (a la death star)

Nightbringer gives us hugely bigger numbers. each pulse consumed by the nightbringer is equivalent to millions of years main sequence star output...

Also I might add that cherubael never again demonstrates that kind of power. The fact that any tom dick or harry psyker can imprison cherubael by preforming the proper ritual takes it down a bit. Also I might add that when he was free (to prevent you claiming that he is like that when let loose) a few Grey Knights and an Inquisitor (Quixos) Kicked the shit out of him...

Yeah the whole sorcery thing is a bit of a downer, however the Deciever isn't exactly noted for his knowledge of magic now is he? (Astronomical power over the physical universe yes. Sorcery magic and phychic power? Less than the average Tau.)
And if the decivers so powerful how come a few good heavy weapon hits can take him down? (granted the person controlling the army in question was a dunce, but hey, a victory's a victory.) Won't kill the Deciever, but neither of them can really kill each other anyway.

Game balance. How annoyed would you be if someone tried to play you with a fluffed up C'tan.


Motherfucking idiots, trying to judge the power of the fluff based on the game...
"He's a god, therefore you all were just basted a la death star"

[Tatterdemalion]

Game balance. How annoyed would you be if someone tried to play you with a fluffed up C'tan.

"He's a god, therefore you all were just blasted a la death star"

Ah, but what's really convenient for me here is that GW saw fit to justify this ith the whole, 'less powerful after their long sleep' ting.

Oh, and about the Sensei/starchild thing: Yes the Sensei are the offspring of the emporer and yes, the starchild does indeed exist, however that doesn't mean the particular cult referred to in the ruleook wasn't Tzeentchian in nature, (The inquisiter in question 'detected the foul taint of the Great Sorcerer during one of the cults main ceremonies' (Page 10 of the appendix BTW, finally found the real page number, sry about that) Tzeentch definately had some involvement. Not too mention that he seems to be making a habit of masquerading as the Starchild at other times too, (Wish I could find that Thousands sons fluff from the GW site, the stuff that was on the chaos page before they released all the data.)

Ahriman Opened himself to it.

Really? Anyway, Eldrad can also see the future so that serves as an advantage, The Emporer, even in his mortal incarnation, could be considered a god, and certainly had SOME ability at predicting the future. Anyway, why should Tzeentch care if a few deamons get shafted? They're all just pawns to him.

Errm the emperor will destroy how..... The warp itself can destroy them (in theory, though note it has never suceeded)
He is the deciver, he has many reasons to lie. Down that road lies madness

Sorry, I was being a bit too vague there. I meant the warp in general and regardless of wherher it has never succeeded, the possibility of getting killed would still be enough for them to respect the power of the warp.

Cop out. Whose to say he wasn't? (oh and for your info Games workshop are [icon_twisted.gif] )

They mention Tzeentch specifically? I'm probably going to regret this but do you have the relevent quotes at hand? In any case, Chaos still posess some of the Blackstones, so it wasn't a complete gaff on chaos' part.

Considering the numerous examples of tech working on the warp, and the fact that the C'tan are immortal, they will suceed in time.

Whose to say? They couldn't do it 60 million years ago when chaos was just a few inconvenient ripples, why should they be able to achieve it now? At a fraction of their former strength? Time may be on their side but then again, if humanity falls to chaos before they can act it's bye-bye universe.

[DocHorror]

I believe the general concencous (from the forums over at portent.net) is that the Laughing God first tricked the Outsideer into eating his kin &drove him insane...

Then the Deceiver stole his act and used it to make Nightbringer eat the rest...

The evidence is that the Eldar myths say the Laughing God beat the Outsider (this is generaly taken as being fact), and since the Laughing God lives inside the webway (which is inside the warp where C'tan cannot exist) he cannot be the Deceiver...

The Void Dragon had 40 winks...

[NecronLord]

Game balance. How annoyed would you be if someone tried to play you with a fluffed up C'tan.

"He's a god, therefore you all were just blasted a la death star"

Ah, but what's really convenient for me here is that GW saw fit to justify this ith the whole, 'less powerful after their long sleep' ting.

Oh, and about the Sensei/starchild thing: Yes the Sensei are the offspring of the emporer and yes, the starchild does indeed exist, however that doesn't mean the particular cult referred to in the ruleook wasn't Tzeentchian in nature, (The inquisiter in question 'detected the foul taint of the Great Sorcerer during one of the cults main ceremonies' (Page 10 of the appendix BTW, finally found the real page number, sry about that) Tzeentch definately had some involvement. Not too mention that he seems to be making a habit of masquerading as the Starchild at other times too, (Wish I could find that Thousands sons fluff from the GW site, the stuff that was on the chaos page before they released all the data.)

The inquisitor in question woldn't know the emeperor if he came and hit him in the face.

Ahriman Opened himself to it.

Really?

By using forbidden knowlage from the chaos cults the thousand sons collected....

Anyway, Eldrad can also see the future so that serves as an advantage, The Emporer, even in his mortal incarnation, could be considered a god, and certainly had SOME ability at predicting the future. Anyway, why should Tzeentch care if a few deamons get shafted? They're all just pawns to him.

Errm the emperor will destroy how..... The warp itself can destroy them (in theory, though note it has never suceeded)
He is the deciver, he has many reasons to lie. Down that road lies madness

Sorry, I was being a bit too vague there. I meant the warp in general and regardless of wherher it has never succeeded, the possibility of getting killed would still be enough for them to respect the power of the warp.

But not the Emperor. And I don't think they would be capable of respect ing anything but themselves

Cop out. Whose to say he wasn't? (oh and for your info Games workshop are [icon_twisted.gif] )

They mention Tzeentch specifically? I'm probably going to regret this but do you have the relevent quotes at hand? In any case, Chaos still posess some of the Blackstones, so it wasn't a complete gaff on chaos' part.

Errr if GW say that Tzeench dies, he's dead.

Considering the numerous examples of tech working on the warp, and the fact that the C'tan are immortal, they will suceed in time.

Whose to say? They couldn't do it 60 million years ago when chaos was just a few inconvenient ripples, why should they be able to achieve it now? At a fraction of their former strength? Time may be on their side but then again, if humanity falls to chaos before they can act it's bye-bye universe.

Aside from the long debated issue of wether the chaos 'gods' are capable of existing beyond the galaxy. It's hardly bye bye univese the eldar went up in one go and only caused the eye of terror. And they were all psykers. Aside from that do you think the C'tan would let humanity fall to chaos? more likely they'd annihalte humanity to prevent that happening.

[Tatterdemalion]

Oh, and about the Sensei/starchild thing: Yes the Sensei are the offspring of the emporer and yes, the starchild does indeed exist, however that doesn't mean the particular cult referred to in the ruleook wasn't Tzeentchian in nature, (The inquisiter in question 'detected the foul taint of the Great Sorcerer during one of the cults main ceremonies' (Page 10 of the appendix BTW, finally found the real page number, sry about that) Tzeentch definately had some involvement. Not too mention that he seems to be making a habit of masquerading as the Starchild at other times too, (Wish I could find that Thousands sons fluff from the GW site, the stuff that was on the chaos page before they released all the data.)

The inquisitor in question woldn't know the emeperor if he came and hit him in the face.

But he had, however, disbanded numerous Tzeentchian cults, he'd know Tzeentch.

By using forbidden knowlage from the chaos cults the thousand sons collected...

They'd been using that knowledge long before the Horus Heresy, it may have helped but it wasn't the knowledge on its own.

But not the Emperor. And I don't think they would be capable of respecting anything but themselves

Maybe, maybe not, still must have them worried though.

Errr if GW say that Tzeench dies, he's dead.

Huh? I was under the impression that I was asking you for any evidence that Tzeentch himself was manipulated into the Gothic war. If games workshop say he's dead then it's so, but the same could be said of the C'tan.

Considering the numerous examples of tech working on the warp, and the fact that the C'tan are immortal, they will suceed in time. Whose to say? They couldn't do it 60 million years ago when chaos was just a few inconvenient ripples, why should they be able to achieve it now? At a fraction of their former strength? Time may be on their side but then again, if humanity falls to chaos before they can act it's bye-bye universe.

Aside from the long debated issue of wether the chaos 'gods' are capable of existing beyond the galaxy. It's hardly bye bye univese the eldar went up in one go and only caused the eye of terror. And they were all psykers. Aside from that do you think the C'tan would let humanity fall to chaos? more likely they'd annihalte humanity to prevent that happening.

They'd just wipe out humanity huh? I hate to play the game balance card again but the mere fact that the Necrons are present in the game as a playable army means that they're beatable. While rediculously well armed, if they have to phase out every time they're not winning then it says that they don't have the numbers or resources for long term war, at the moment they're mostly raiding.

[NecronLord]

Oh, and about the Sensei/starchild thing: Yes the Sensei are the offspring of the emporer and yes, the starchild does indeed exist, however that doesn't mean the particular cult referred to in the ruleook wasn't Tzeentchian in nature, (The inquisiter in question 'detected the foul taint of the Great Sorcerer during one of the cults main ceremonies' (Page 10 of the appendix BTW, finally found the real page number, sry about that) Tzeentch definately had some involvement. Not too mention that he seems to be making a habit of masquerading as the Starchild at other times too, (Wish I could find that Thousands sons fluff from the GW site, the stuff that was on the chaos page before they released all the data.)

The inquisitor in question woldn't know the emeperor if he came and hit him in the face.

But he had, however, disbanded numerous Tzeentchian cults, he'd know Tzeentch.

Tzeench is of course know for constancy

But not the Emperor. And I don't think they would be capable of respecting anything but themselves

Maybe, maybe not, still must have them worried though.

Indeed it does, hence the great warding, and the efforts that the deciever has gone to to destroy the talismen of vaul

Errr if GW say that Tzeench dies, he's dead.

Huh? I was under the impression that I was asking you for any evidence that Tzeentch himself was manipulated into the Gothic war. If games workshop say he's dead then it's so, but the same could be said of the C'tan.

My mistake, i thought you meant a differnt part of the post. quite so

Considering the numerous examples of tech working on the warp, and the fact that the C'tan are immortal, they will suceed in time. Whose to say? They couldn't do it 60 million years ago when chaos was just a few inconvenient ripples, why should they be able to achieve it now? At a fraction of their former strength? Time may be on their side but then again, if humanity falls to chaos before they can act it's bye-bye universe.

Aside from the long debated issue of wether the chaos 'gods' are capable of existing beyond the galaxy. It's hardly bye bye univese the eldar went up in one go and only caused the eye of terror. And they were all psykers. Aside from that do you think the C'tan would let humanity fall to chaos? more likely they'd annihalte humanity to prevent that happening.

They'd just wipe out humanity huh? I hate to play the game balance card again but the mere fact that the Necrons are present in the game as a playable army means that they're beatable. While rediculously well armed, if they have to phase out every time they're not winning then it says that they don't have the numbers or resources for long term war, at the moment they're mostly raiding.

Indeed but the fact that they A, can land a ship on mars, and B have system devouring black hole weaponry (the shroud incident and Codex Necrons page 25 respectively) and can cross the galaxy in under a second (page 25 again) exterminating the humans couldn't be that difficult. Also Nightbringer "Entire galaxies had lived and died at their masters command" (italics mine) It's game balance. The reason the phase out is due to the fact that it is illogical to continue when you have taken 75% casualties under normal circumstances, again game balance. e.g. in the Void dragons background the necrons can shoot lightning from their fingers suffivient to kill an army. and those are the warriors (though admittedly his necrons are more advanced than the others)

[Skelron]

Of course what they don't tell you is that the standard Necron warriors where beaten in hand to hand combat by 100 Eldar fighter's with swords. (walks away casually whisteling waiting to be called on the fact that Vaul the Smith God made the swords....) Well yes thats true, but these people only got the swords after proving themselves to Khalia Mensha Khaine as his best warriors, thay had been fighting, according to the Inquistion anyway, the Necrons with Swords and spears, (and the occasional God) for some time.

[Tatterdemalion]

Tzeench is of course known for constancy

No, but it'd be kind of hard mistake the Emporer for Tzeentch. (The other way around certainly, as has been confirmed by fluff, but I doubt the Emporer is in the habit of pretending to be a chaos god.)

Aside from the long debated issue of wether the chaos 'gods' are capable of existing beyond the galaxy. It's hardly bye bye univese the eldar went up in one go and only caused the eye of terror. And they were all psykers. Aside from that do you think the C'tan would let humanity fall to chaos? more likely they'd annihalte humanity to prevent that happening.

I'm reasonably sure that it's established fluff that if humanity falls simarlarly to the eldar then the resultant shockwaves will take either the galaxy or the entire universe with it, I'll try to hunt down the relevent fluff.

Indeed but the fact that they A, can land a ship on mars, and B have system devouring black hole weaponry (the shroud incident and Codex Necrons page 25 respectively) and can cross the galaxy in under a second (page 25 again) exterminating the humans couldn't be that difficult. Also Nightbringer "Entire galaxies had lived and died at their masters command" (italics mine) It's game balance. The reason the phase out is due to the fact that it is illogical to continue when you have taken 75% casualties under normal circumstances, again game balance. e.g. in the Void dragons background the necrons can shoot lightning from their fingers suffivient to kill an army. and those are the warriors (though admittedly his necrons are more advanced than the others)

So why are the orks, Tyranids, Tau, Eldar and who knows how many over races the Necrons have no real use for since humanity can supply all their soul munching needs, still around then. They may be powerful but they ain't the kings of the universe yet. (Damnit, I'm not gonna win this debate till GW get off their asses and start a necrons-themed summer campaign. Wonder how many years that'll take.) Wiping out humantiy would take time and if it ever got to that stage there'd be numerous powerful entities skulking around the universe who wouldn't want that to happen. (Chaos gods would be able to extend their influence, the emporer would still be around, all the primarchs and god-like figures that were prophesised to return and all that would all over the place.) Pariahs would aide against that but even then they're not in unlimited supply.

[Space Marine Bob]

Just a note, there are only two human Primarchs left and both are in stasis.