Modding Space Empire IV Gold

Arthur_Tuxedo · Post by **Arthur_Tuxedo** » 2006-01-10 08:35pm

Excellent. I was not at all keen on having to deal with a problem like that.

Post by **Dalton** » 2006-01-11 06:00pm

Is it just me or do facilities take on the order of years to build?

Trogdor · Post by **Trogdor** » 2006-01-11 06:07pm

No, that's everyone. This mod gives MASSIVE contruction rate penalities for low populations. IIRC, most worlds can't even hold enough people to remove the penalty, let alone start getting a bonus. 'Tis the reason I suggested against a B5 game when the idea first came up.

Green worlds must be sought out, jeolously guarded, and have population from the home worlds transferred to them in this mod to expand one's industrial capacity.

brianeyci · Post by **brianeyci** » 2006-01-11 06:28pm

That's why I'm so wierded out by all seven of you guys. You can build an orbital space yard in 1 turn on your homeworld. I'm making tons of them because they only build at 1 rate. I figure that by the time I research better engines, it'll make up for the lost time. Plus, any minerals in storage are minerals that are wasted so I'm preparing a lot of construction ability.

1 speed ships? That blows. I'm waiting for my gravimetric drives hehe.

Brian

Nephtys · Post by **Nephtys** » 2006-01-11 06:30pm

Basically, when a world hits around 500million people, then it'll build facilities in .3 or so years. Which is fine, considering how powerful individual facilties are in this game (your homeworld ALONE should be able to support an empire compared to them).

Each facility provides around 2000 or more minerals. Only research accumulates slowly. Be sure to keep the transports moving.

In this Mod, green worlds are very valuable, yes. But everyone starts with atmosphere reprocessor tech. It may take a while to get working, but basically by our time in the ST game, everyone should have tons of greens.

Nephtys · Post by **Nephtys** » 2006-01-11 06:30pm

brianeyci wrote:That's why I'm so wierded out by all seven of you guys. You can build an orbital space yard in 1 turn on your homeworld. I'm making tons of them because they only build at 1 rate. I figure that by the time I research better engines, it'll make up for the lost time. Plus, any minerals in storage are minerals that are wasted so I'm preparing a lot of construction ability.

1 speed ships? That blows. I'm waiting for my gravimetric drives hehe.

Brian

What's with your 1 speed ships? I'm at four for my colonizers, which is plenty-fine for a two turn ship.

brianeyci · Post by **brianeyci** » 2006-01-11 06:41pm

Nephtys wrote:
brianeyci wrote:That's why I'm so wierded out by all seven of you guys. You can build an orbital space yard in 1 turn on your homeworld. I'm making tons of them because they only build at 1 rate. I figure that by the time I research better engines, it'll make up for the lost time. Plus, any minerals in storage are minerals that are wasted so I'm preparing a lot of construction ability.

1 speed ships? That blows. I'm waiting for my gravimetric drives hehe.

Brian
What's with your 1 speed ships? I'm at four for my colonizers, which is plenty-fine for a two turn ship.

Actually I just checked, it is 4 speed.

That is pretty good actually, but I'm still using my homeworlds to build space yards. I'll use the space yards to build colonizers. We'll see. There is a massive stockade of minerals, +65k per turn for me. I don't want any to be going into the bank ideally so more space yards are good

<edit>Cool that the Vorlons started out close to the Minbari and Shadows to the Centauri.</edit>

Brian

GuppyShark · Post by **GuppyShark** » 2006-01-11 07:01pm

<Suspicious> How did you know that?

Trogdor · Post by **Trogdor** » 2006-01-11 07:02pm

How small is this galaxy? It's only turn 4 and we've already got two first contacts. We didn't even make contact in the ST game that fast. Though it did work out quite nicely with where everyone is.

edit: he read the RP thread, Gups.

Now, I believe there's a certain question you want to ask me.

edit2: And I've never build space yard bases because of the slow construction rate of the ship yard I component. True, you could build a ton of them and it should even out, but by the time the finish, the ships they were building may have become obsolete. Even so, I'll probably give it a shot.

As to the atmosphere adjuster tech, I wouldn't count on it. The version we have now is the best one we'll get (at least, it's the best one I'll get, anyway) and it takes 60 years worth of game time to convert the atmosphere.

brianeyci · Post by **brianeyci** » 2006-01-11 07:16pm

Sixty years is about ten turns away in the Star Trek game. And the B5 game will probably last twice as long as the Star Trek game.

It's different for Raiders. Raiders will stockpile tons and tons of fighters so construction bases will always be useful. My bases are spawning new bases, and in a few turns I'll have 30 bases. The Space Yard I component only constructs at 1k, but that's fine for fighters. And transports, they never get outdated.

Brian

GuppyShark · Post by **GuppyShark** » 2006-01-11 07:19pm

We've made fast contacts because Ancient scout ships are REALLY REALLY fast. The UI is limiting my exploration more than the speed of the vessels (I know you can blind-move, but it's a little hit-and-miss so far).

Trogdor · Post by **Trogdor** » 2006-01-11 07:21pm

brianeyci wrote:Sixty years is about ten turns away in the Star Trek game. And the B5 game will probably last twice as long as the Star Trek game.

The current date in the ST game is 2405.1. The start date was 2400.0. Six years are only about ten turns away.

brianeyci · Post by **brianeyci** » 2006-01-11 07:23pm

Whops lol.

I guess those stories about the hundreds and hundreds of turn games are not exagerrated.

Brian

Nephtys · Post by **Nephtys** » 2006-01-11 07:36pm

Maybe it's a typo and means sixty turns. Wanna check the facilities files, anyone?

brianeyci · Post by **brianeyci** » 2006-01-11 07:39pm

It's not.

facility.txt wrote: Name := Atmospheric Adjuster I
Description := Massive atmospheric processors which slowly change the atmosphere of a planet to a breathable state.
Facility Group := Planet Modification
Facility Family := 44
Roman Numeral := 1
Restrictions := None
Pic Num := 67
Cost Minerals := 50000
Cost Organics := 50000
Cost Radioactives := 50000
Number of Tech Req := 1
Tech Area Req 1 := Atmospheric Modification
Tech Level Req 1 := 1
Number of Abilities := 1
Ability 1 Type := Planet - Change Atmosphere
Ability 1 Descr := Changes the atmosphere of the planet to one that is breathable by its colony over 60 years.
Ability 1 Val 1 := 600
Ability 1 Val 2 := 0

600 turns, 60 years.

Brian

Post by **Dalton** » 2006-01-11 08:34pm

*winces* This sounds long and painful.

brianeyci · Post by **brianeyci** » 2006-01-11 08:42pm

Speak for yourself. As soon as I get the ability to sweep 100 mines and put together a sizeable fleet with a few thousand troops, I'm invading someone

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Brian

Arthur_Tuxedo · Post by **Arthur_Tuxedo** » 2006-01-11 08:47pm

Not if I invade you first, chowder monkey!

Arthur_Tuxedo · Post by **Arthur_Tuxedo** » 2006-01-12 12:15am

Ah. First contact with a neutral race. I wonder whether it's feasible to try and conquer someone at this point. Another homeworld would be a huge, massive boost.

By the way, I admire the speed at which we're submitting turns. Three today, I believe.

Trogdor · Post by **Trogdor** » 2006-01-12 12:41am

Another homeworld's always a big boost, though I do understand your point. I'm not sure how feasible it is, though. Never really tried it this early in the game. Not sure if infantry units would be up to the task.

I've made another first contact. The Narn. Here's hoping that the Shadows are willing to help me raise a little hell.

But seriously, though, why are we so damned close together? The galaxy doesn't look THAT small.

Nephtys · Post by **Nephtys** » 2006-01-12 05:30am

Trogdor wrote:Another homeworld's always a big boost, though I do understand your point. I'm not sure how feasible it is, though. Never really tried it this early in the game. Not sure if infantry units would be up to the task.

I've made another first contact. The Narn. Here's hoping that the Shadows are willing to help me raise a little hell.

But seriously, though, why are we so damned close together? The galaxy doesn't look THAT small.

B5 ships are a lot faster than ST ships. I've got a very nice minbari scout fleet right now.

Trogdor · Post by **Trogdor** » 2006-01-12 12:31pm

Brian, what are the B5 raiders doing in the Trekverse.

brianeyci · Post by **brianeyci** » 2006-01-12 12:36pm

Quiet you. Q was fucking around. Don't bother a god, don't you remember ST:V

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Brian

Trogdor · Post by **Trogdor** » 2006-01-12 04:20pm

What does God need with an RP thread?

Kojiro · Post by **Kojiro** » 2006-01-13 01:03am

I'm a little curious as to when exactly in the timeline the B5 game is set, and what knowledge is out there from an RP perspective. Returning Vorlons might well act differently to the olc versions.