Death Star over Mustafar

Jadeite · Post by **Jadeite** » 2006-01-12 05:04pm

I did a search but didn't find anything on this topic, so I either didn't look hard enough or there really wasn't anything. Did anyone else notice the Death Star schematics in the control room on Mustafar?

Right after Anakin and Obi-wan blast each other with their force pushes, Anakin lands on a control panel, and right above him is a schematic similar to the one Gen. Dodanna had in A New Hope.

There's another data screen in the control room that shows a large sphere (presumably Mustafar) orbited by two smaller spheres.

http://www.starwars.com/episode-iii/bts ... 50502.html

This piece of concept art is particularly nice, since it shows a schematic similar to Dodonna's again, with an arrow drawn by the artist to the sky over a volcano.

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2006-01-12 06:22pm

Hmm, is this some subtle hint the Separatists were constructing their "Ultimate Weapon" in that system?

President Sharky · Post by **President Sharky** » 2006-01-12 06:24pm

The Death Star doesn't appear to be located in the Mustafar system when we see it at the end. Looks like its in deep space to me.

Noble Ire · Post by **Noble Ire** » 2006-01-12 06:36pm

President Sharky wrote:The Death Star doesn't appear to be located in the Mustafar system when we see it at the end. Looks like its in deep space to me.

It could be a matter of perspective. After all, we never actually see Sullust in ROTJ, despite the fact that the fleet is quite close to it.

Post by **Surlethe** » 2006-01-12 06:40pm

Noble Ire wrote:
President Sharky wrote:The Death Star doesn't appear to be located in the Mustafar system when we see it at the end. Looks like its in deep space to me.
It could be a matter of perspective. After all, we never actually see Sullust in ROTJ, despite the fact that the fleet is quite close to it.

As I'm recalling, we see a scene at the end of RotS from two perspectives, and in neither is there a definite shadow, which would imply the "Great Weapon" is not being constructed in-system.

Jadeite · Post by **Jadeite** » 2006-01-12 07:26pm

No, we only see it from the bridge of the SD, which could easily be sunward of it, thus the shadow would be on the side opposite of them.

Robo Jesus · Post by **Robo Jesus** » 2006-01-12 07:54pm

Death Star schematics

People, a schematic is just that, a plan. And plans aren't made right exactly where you're going to be building something. No, the Geonosians made the plans, the Geonosians tranported the plans to CIS secret HQ, and the plans where then taken from Secret HQ in the middle of nowehere to someone who can take those secret plans and turn them into something.

Fleet Admiral JD · Post by **Fleet Admiral JD** » 2006-01-12 08:01pm

I read something in one of the ICS or Incredible Locations books about the Death Star being built over a penal planet, which was the first planet destroyed by the superlaser. I'll see if I can find it.

Jadeite · Post by **Jadeite** » 2006-01-12 08:04pm

And plans aren't made right exactly where you're going to be building something

So are you also claiming KDY has its primary design centers located outside of Kuat? And pay attention, I never said they made the plans there, that was obvious it was Geonosis.

It does however, help to keep the plans on location for wherever you're building something.

Noble Ire · Post by **Noble Ire** » 2006-01-12 08:04pm

Fleet Admiral JD wrote:I read something in one of the ICS or Incredible Locations books about the Death Star being built over a penal planet, which was the first planet destroyed by the superlaser. I'll see if I can find it.

Despayre (sp?)

That's actually from a source far older than the ICS, although I don't recall where.

Jadeite · Post by **Jadeite** » 2006-01-12 08:05pm

Noble Ire wrote:
Fleet Admiral JD wrote:I read something in one of the ICS or Incredible Locations books about the Death Star being built over a penal planet, which was the first planet destroyed by the superlaser. I'll see if I can find it.
Despayre (sp?)

That's actually from a source far older than the ICS, although I don't recall where.

Both can still fit, since didn't Saxton come to the conclusion that the Death Star we saw in the movie isn't the Death Star from ANH?

Fleet Admiral JD · Post by **Fleet Admiral JD** » 2006-01-12 08:06pm

Noble Ire wrote:
Despayre (sp?)

That's actually from a source far older than the ICS, although I don't recall where.

Incredible Locations, I believe. I'll check it when I get a chance.

Robo Jesus · Post by **Robo Jesus** » 2006-01-12 08:16pm

I never said they made the plans there

No, you didn't say that, but others have. And unless you squash stupid remarks as soon or soon after they're made, those stupid remarks seem to find each other and breed.

Old Plympto · Post by **Old Plympto** » 2006-01-12 08:35pm

Noble Ire wrote:Despayre (sp?)

That's actually from a source far older than the ICS, although I don't recall where.

WEG's Death Star Technical Compedium, IIRC.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2006-01-12 10:31pm

Companion, more precisely.

I don't see what's the deal about the image at SW.com. And I'll have to personally check my DVD to see this supposed "Death Star," frankly...

Jadeite · Post by **Jadeite** » 2006-01-12 10:37pm

I don't see what's the deal about the image at SW.com

Because it clearly shows the station in orbit over the planet.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2006-01-12 10:43pm

Where? All I see are what could be moons of Mustafar, or even Mustafar itself. Just part of the graphical display. Heck, even the little text note under it doesn't look like it could be read as "Death Star:" more like a single, six-letter word or some such.

Oh, and I checked the shot on the DVD. I don't see what could be interpreted as the Great Weapon there, either. Just circular stuff that could be moons or just part of the display, or even indicating locations on the planet itself.

I can't see how or even why they could be interpreted as a Death Star...

I request proof in the form of screencaps of both images, with the relevant information indicated, otherwise I can only interpret them as fantasy.

RThurmont · Post by **RThurmont** » 2006-01-12 11:00pm

If in fact the two moons are Death Stars as opposed to natural moons (something I doubt very strongly), that would eliminate the problem of why it took 20 years to build DS1 and only 4 to build the much larger DS2. In addition, there would actually be some geniuen aesthetic value to having the original construction site of the two stations be Mustafar, in otherwords, a hellish weapon coming from a hellish world.

So while I agree with Spanky (gah!) that what is being commented on here is almost certainly not the Death Stars, I would also say that if Lucas does do a Special Edition of ROTS, it might be a change worth implementing.

Jadeite · Post by **Jadeite** » 2006-01-12 11:01pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Where? All I see are what could be moons of Mustafar, or even Mustafar itself. Just part of the graphical display. Heck, even the little text note under it doesn't look like it could be read as "Death Star:" more like a single, six-letter word or some such.

Oh, and I checked the shot on the DVD. I don't see what could be interpreted as the Great Weapon there, either. Just circular stuff that could be moons or just part of the display, or even indicating locations on the planet itself.

I can't see how or even why they could be interpreted as a Death Star...

To the first paragraph, I present this, cut out of the concept art and enlarged. Notice the red circle I put around the aperature, the thing resembles the DS blueprints Dodanna had.

As to the screenshots, I'll get those as soon as I figure out how.

If in fact the two moons are Death Stars as opposed to natural moons (something I doubt very strongly), that would eliminate the problem of why it took 20 years to build DS1 and only 4 to build the much larger DS2. In addition, there would actually be some geniune aesthetic value to having the original construction site of the two stations be Mustafar, in otherwords, a hellish weapon coming from a hellish world.

So while I agree with Spanky (gah!) that what is being commented on here is almost certainly not the Death Stars, I would also say that if Lucas does do a Special Edition of ROTS, it might be a change worth implementing.

We also see in the movie that Mustafar itself is a moon of another planet, so it'd be unlikely for a moon to have two natural moons of itself. The only real problem is that the schematic images don't have the superlaser aperature in the right place, but neither did the plans the Rebel alliance had either. How was that discrepancy reconciled anyway?

Noble Ire · Post by **Noble Ire** » 2006-01-12 11:08pm

RThurmont wrote:If in fact the two moons are Death Stars as opposed to natural moons (something I doubt very strongly), that would eliminate the problem of why it took 20 years to build DS1 and only 4 to build the much larger DS2. In addition, there would actually be some geniuen aesthetic value to having the original construction site of the two stations be Mustafar, in otherwords, a hellish weapon coming from a hellish world.

So while I agree with Spanky (gah!) that what is being commented on here is almost certainly not the Death Stars, I would also say that if Lucas does do a Special Edition of ROTS, it might be a change worth implementing.

Offically, the DS1 was contructed over Despayre, an out of the way prisoner world (and not a very pleasent place, for what its worth). There is nothing in the movie to contradict this, especially not this screenshot. The images could be anything.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2006-01-12 11:08pm

Okay, checking Complete Locations, Mustafar has no moons. I still refuse to believe anything is proof of there being a Death Star in the system.

Second, you're definately in the realm of fantasy, Jadeite. You think that resembles or is indicative of a Death Star? That? You have highlighted two concentric circles with three lines connecting them. That's it.

I thought you were actually refering to something else completely, because that didn't even CROSS my mind. It's looks more like some feature on the planet being indicated, and nothing like a superlaser aperature. that's not a Death Star, that's Mustafar.

You're on crack, my friend...

Jadeite · Post by **Jadeite** » 2006-01-12 11:13pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote: Second, you're definately in the realm of fantasy, Jadeite. You think that resembles or is indicative of a Death Star? That? You have highlighted two concentric circles with three lines connecting them. That's it. I thought you were actually refering to something else completely, because that didn't even CROSS my mind. It's looks more like some feature on the planet being indicated, and nothing like a superlaser aperature. that's not a Death Star, that's Mustafar.

You're on crack, my friend...

Well, apparently since things need to be bludgeoned into your mind, let's compare shall we?

ZOMG they're the same!

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2006-01-12 11:18pm

No they're not!! They do not resemble each other at all, other than the fact that both are ROUND!! This bullshit is borderline delusional.

Jesus, are you fucking blind, or did you just suddenly catch a major case of stupid?

Jadeite · Post by **Jadeite** » 2006-01-12 11:25pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:No they're not!! They do not resemble each other at all, other than the fact that both are ROUND!! This bullshit is borderline delusional.

Jesus, are you fucking blind? Or did you just suddenly catch a major case of stupid?

"Bludgeoned into your mind"? Fuck, speak for yourself...

I didn't know how stupid you could be, but apparently we're finding out.

Let's see, we know from Complete Locations that Mustafar has no moons.

Second, we know that Mustafar itself is a moon, orbiting close enough that the planet would take up most of the sky if the Seperatist HQ had been in an area to view it.

Proof: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v73/J ... STAFAR.jpg

Third, we saw Anakin watching something eclipsing the sun. Since it's too small to be the planet, and since the moon itself has no moons, it's artificial.

Fourth, I don't know how you could be that damn stupid to say that they look nothing alike. Any retarded fourth grader would be able to tell you that they do.

Noble Ire · Post by **Noble Ire** » 2006-01-12 11:40pm

Third, we saw Anakin watching something eclipsing the sun. Since it's too small to be the planet, and since the moon itself has no moons, it's artificial.

Quite honestly, this doesn't look like something that could really eclipse the sky that well, unless it was in incredibly close orbit.

Fourth, I don't know how you could be that damn stupid to say that they look nothing alike. Any retarded fourth grader would be able to tell you that they do.

I don't see it either frankly. Sure, there is a basic resemblance, but beyond that, they're just a pair of circles with a another circle on them. Besides, if the ROTS image was the DS, why are the two other objects smaller than it? Are you proposing the DS itself has moons?