Fire breathing T-Rex, just ask Dr. Dino

Setesh · Post by **Setesh** » 2006-01-08 03:30pm

Kamakazie Sith wrote:
OmegaGuy wrote:Exactly where does the 'pull the arm off' crap come from? It doesn't seem to be a useful lie for creationists.
It seems like he's trying to discredit science. Think of it this way "Scientists think you could tear off the arm of a T-Rex! HAHAH they don't kno what they're talking about so we shouldn't trust them"

Either that or its that he gets all his *ahem* Dino-facts from Godzilla and carnisaur

kheegster · Post by **kheegster** » 2006-01-09 04:51pm

Superman wrote: And Hovind himself has had his own problems with the law.

Hovind has gotten in trouble with authorities repeatedly for scofflaw behavior related to his anti-evolution ministries. Hovind operates a "theme park" in his native Pensacola, Florida, called "Dinosaur Adventure Land", for which he has been charged with failure to procure proper building permits. In 1996, Hovind was ordered by the Internal Revenue Service to pay several years' back taxes after having been found to have failed to file income tax ever. Hovind attempted to circumvent the ruling by filing bankruptcy, but his bankruptcy claim was found by the courts to have been filed in bad faith. [4] (http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/hovind-decision.html) In April 2004, Hovind's offices were raided by the IRS, who accused Hovind of failing to report millions of dollars in income. According to the IRS none of Hovind's enterprises has a business license in Escambia County or has tax-exempt status as a nonprofit enterprise.

Hovind's response to all of his legal troubles has been to cast himself in the role of martyr and victim of religious persecution. He believes the US government has no legal jurisdiction over his church.
from here

Does he imply that he does not want any protection from the US government for his church?

Superman · Post by **Superman** » 2006-01-09 07:23pm

Does he imply that he does not want any protection from the US government for his church? Twisted Evil

Hey, we could have some fun with that one.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2006-01-13 12:17am

OmegaGuy wrote:Exactly where does the 'pull the arm off' crap come from? It doesn't seem to be a useful lie for creationists.

I found the source of that out today when I was told it by a guy.

See some Christian "Scientist" went and examined the story of Bewoulf. In comparing the monsters to known creatures, he found that the beasts were similar to dinosaurs. Thus this legend supports man and dinosaurs living at the same time. Bewoulf was able to easily tear the arm off of Grendel, therfore, since Grendel is a dinosaur, you could easily tear a tyranosaur's arm off.

wilfulton · Post by **wilfulton** » 2006-01-13 01:13am

I find it somewhat ironic that a Fundie YEC should take a 10th century pagan saga and use it as proof of his bible-based science. Considering that since the norsemen did not worship Jesus (with no doubt a very few exceptions, probably very very few at this time, but Eric the Red's wife was supposedly a Christian c. 1000 AD).

So since they're pagans, they're naturally wrong (cause it's not the word of God, yakka yakka yakka...). Curiously, when convenient for Dr Dino, the story of Beowulf is now not simply some testosterone-filled warrior wannabe that wasn't blessed with combat prowess but did have a knack for storytelling and so entertained with stories about his alter ego. Beowulf is now the literal, absolute truth?

Also, didn't Beowulf actually just strangle Grendel or break his neck or something? Either way, he was held to be inhumanly strong (another aspect of the alter ego).

Oh? What am I getting at? Dr. Dino isn't just full of shit, he's fucking nuts too.

Imperial Overlord · Post by **Imperial Overlord** » 2006-01-13 04:49am

By 1000 AD Christianity was pushing hard into Scandinavia (Icelandic sagas give 1000 as the date of the "official" adoptation of Christianity, take with a few grains of salt). Grendel died (although not immediately) of having the superhumanely powerful Beowulf tear his arm off. He lived long enough to limp back to his mother's underwater cave.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2006-01-13 06:16am

Ender wrote:See some Christian "Scientist" went and examined the story of Bewoulf. In comparing the monstors to known creatures, he found that the beasts were similar to dinosaurs. Thus this legend supports man and dinosaurs living at the same time. Bewoulf was able to easily tear the arm off of Grendel, therfore, since Grendel is a dinosaur, you could easily tear a tyranosaur's arm off.

You've got to be shitting me, </John Connor>

Aside from similar legends also supporting multiple gods, one wonders how they managed to get the idea that everyone's as strong as Beowulf.

wolveraptor · Post by **wolveraptor** » 2006-01-13 08:02am

Oh, so now they're tarnishing the old kickass legends with their bullshit?

wilfulton · Post by **wilfulton** » 2006-01-13 12:22pm

Okay, so Beowulf did tear Grendel's arm off. But didn't he also die from wounds suffered in that fight as well?

It actually isn't that surprising that Dr. Dino and his ilk would be mauling norse mythology. You consider that he's trying to sell a story, and it wouldn't surprise me to see him taking the story of Hercules and the three bears and using that to say "back in the time of ancient Greece when we all ate unleavened bread, men were stronger than bears" or some stupid shit.

He will use a story when it is convenient for him, even though that story may be work of fiction. Of course he doesn't say that story was a work of fiction, and of course he doesn't openly mention Beowulf's name because, then everyone would know that you could tear of T-Rex's arm is based on a work of fiction.

But from having seen his tapes, I will attest that he speaks in a poised, confident manner, the type of which is most apt to get people to believe him. And he is good at altering the facts to fit his opinions, at least one other person here can tell you what that is characteristic of.

white_rabbit · Post by **white_rabbit** » 2006-01-13 12:34pm

wilfulton wrote:Okay, so Beowulf did tear Grendel's arm off. But didn't he also die from wounds suffered in that fight as well?

It actually isn't that surprising that Dr. Dino and his ilk would be mauling norse mythology. You consider that he's trying to sell a story, and it wouldn't surprise me to see him taking the story of Hercules and the three bears and using that to say "back in the time of ancient Greece when we all ate unleavened bread, men were stronger than bears" or some stupid shit.
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As I recall, Beowulf proceeds to beat up Grendels mum as well, He finally dies fighting a mighty dragon beastie IIRC