Design a Feddie ship that can take out an ISD

Captain tycho · Post by **Captain tycho** » 2002-12-05 05:52pm

spongyblue wrote:Build a ship with 80 warp cores and a crew of red shirts.

Ouch.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2002-12-05 05:58pm

spongyblue wrote:Build a ship with 80 warp cores and a crew of red shirts.

Would that even get started? I mean it would blow up when the christing bottle hits it.

Captain tycho · Post by **Captain tycho** » 2002-12-05 06:00pm

Someone had an idea to design a big space gatling gun that shot out warp cores.

Still, not enough, given that the ISD could shot them down before they even got close.

Totenkopf · Post by **Totenkopf** » 2002-12-05 06:02pm

Any Federation ship could do it, since ISDs use lasers and Riker said lasers wouldn't even penetrate the navigational sheilds.

*Straps on armor, fires up personal shielding belt, and runs far, far away*

data_link · Post by **data_link** » 2002-12-05 06:09pm

Totenkopf wrote:*Straps on armor, fires up personal shielding belt, and runs far, far away*

*Target in the center, pull the switch*
*Totenkopf is vaporized by positron cannon*

God I love these things.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2002-12-05 06:10pm

Totenkopf wrote:*Straps on armor, fires up personal shielding belt, and runs far, far away*

Whereever you run wherever you hide I'll find you and strafe you multiple times with my personal Starfighter, Storm

data_link · Post by **data_link** » 2002-12-05 06:16pm

Isolder74 wrote:
Totenkopf wrote:*Straps on armor, fires up personal shielding belt, and runs far, far away*

Whereever you run wherever you hide I'll find you and strafe you multiple times with my personal Starfighter, Storm

Don't worry about it, I already killed him.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2002-12-05 06:19pm

data_link wrote:
Isolder74 wrote:
Totenkopf wrote:*Straps on armor, fires up personal shielding belt, and runs far, far away*

Whereever you run wherever you hide I'll find you and strafe you multiple times with my personal Starfighter, Storm
Don't worry about it, I already killed him.

oh that's why I found a crater

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2002-12-05 09:39pm

Simple enough.

Take a GCS, strip out everything and I mean everything that a human crew would need. Strip out the weapons arrays, most of the shield generators, most of the fusion reactors, all of the lifesupport, the crew quarters, the shuttlecraft, the tractors...

Basically, turn it into a flying warp drive, with nav-deflector, basic computer (not the gigantohuge multi-story beasts a GCS has) and one other thing.

Antimatter. Loads of it. Stuff the ship to the gills with matter and antimatter, arranged to provide the best possible bang for the buck. Program the computer to drop the containment forcefields on the moment before impact, and to set a warp speed collision course with the ISD. If all goes well, a massive, huge explosion will suddenly hit the ISD.

Of course, I bet you couldn't fill a GCS with enough A/M to do the job. Still, that's their best bet, barring crazy phase cloak antics which may or may not work.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-12-05 09:43pm

Antimatter. Loads of it. Stuff the ship to the gills with matter and antimatter, arranged to provide the best possible bang for the buck. Program the computer to drop the containment forcefields on the moment before impact, and to set a warp speed collision course with the ISD. If all goes well, a massive, huge explosion will suddenly hit the ISD.

Acutal..... its not like you can STACK antimatter in the holds or anything, you do need a few hundred POUNDS of Anti-matter to get the job done(Based on the number of Grams in torps and the number of torps nessary to get down a shield section)

As for a fesiable Ship it would have to have Andromida style Missle Launch figures execpted.. ooh three times that, It would need Anime sized missles spreads of 10k Per Second if it wanted to stand up, Remeber it needs to pump out 216,000 Quantum torps to take down and ISD's shields even with miniun figures....

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2002-12-05 09:46pm

data_link wrote:Create a ship full of marines. This ship should have as much power devoted to shields as possible (with luck, enough to withstand one medium turbolaser hit without failing) Give all of them dimensional inverters (yes, I'm aware that prolonged use of this device will eventually kill them), and 20th century machine guns. Have the dimensional inverters preprogrammed to teleport the entire crew to critical locations on the Imperial vessel at the touch of a single buttion.

With any luck, this will enable a well trained crew a chance to board the imperial vessel before they are blown up, and being able to directly access critical areas on the ship, a well-trained crew would have a small chance of successfully capturing the ISD. Of course a federation crew would have no chance whatsoever, but that's not my problem.

Problem:

First they need marines.

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2002-12-05 09:48pm

Mr Bean wrote:Acutal..... its not like you can STACK antimatter in the holds or anything, you do need a few hundred POUNDS of Anti-matter to get the job done(Based on the number of Grams in torps and the number of torps nessary to get down a shield section)

Er, with all the extraneous GCS garbage no longer present, you could probably load one up with several thousand tons of the stuff.

CmdrWilkens · Post by **CmdrWilkens** » 2002-12-05 09:56pm

Ender wrote:
data_link wrote:Create a ship full of marines. This ship should have as much power devoted to shields as possible (with luck, enough to withstand one medium turbolaser hit without failing) Give all of them dimensional inverters (yes, I'm aware that prolonged use of this device will eventually kill them), and 20th century machine guns. Have the dimensional inverters preprogrammed to teleport the entire crew to critical locations on the Imperial vessel at the touch of a single buttion.

With any luck, this will enable a well trained crew a chance to board the imperial vessel before they are blown up, and being able to directly access critical areas on the ship, a well-trained crew would have a small chance of successfully capturing the ISD. Of course a federation crew would have no chance whatsoever, but that's not my problem.
Problem:

First they need marines.

I'd volunteer but I'm not suicidal.

Galaxy · Post by **Galaxy** » 2002-12-06 05:51am

The feds could beg the romulans for the plasma torpedoes used in TOS. I heard them are gigaton level.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-12-06 06:00am

The feds could beg the romulans for the plasma torpedoes used in TOS. I heard them are gigaton level.

There more powerful than Regular Proton Torps but not more than Quantum torps last I checked which are rated at 128 Megatons so thats not to likley

However given the length and time of the series... Say did they come out with new Versions during the end of DS9 or somthing?

Einhander Sn0m4n · Post by **Einhander Sn0m4n** » 2002-12-06 06:57am

Darth Valdemar wrote:The USS RTUTGU

This 10 mile long ship has a hull constructed of solid depleted uranium coated in a steel shell several feet thick. When I say solid I mean solid, filling the entire hull, making up 99% of the ship's interior space.

It is shaped like a giant rounded spike. It is only a quarter of a mile in diameter despite being 10 miles long.

It has the most ridiculously overpowered drive system the Fedration has ever built, and can sustain 0.9 C without any AMRE assistance.

It attacks the ISD by warping towards it, dropping out of warp, and ramming it at nine-tenths of the speed of light.

This one actually sounds the most viable. Granted it would be HUGELY expensive, and replicators might gag at trying to make that much DU...

Einhander Sn0m4n · Post by **Einhander Sn0m4n** » 2002-12-06 06:59am

Totenkopf wrote:Any Federation ship could do it, since ISDs use lasers and Riker said lasers wouldn't even penetrate the navigational sheilds.

*Straps on armor, fires up personal shielding belt, and runs far, far away*

Is it me or do his av and sig remind you of Arminius from WCOTC? (EWWW!)

Soulman · Post by **Soulman** » 2002-12-06 01:30pm

The only way I can see is a phase-cloaked ship firing phase-cloaked torpedoes which detonate inside the ISD... Even then it depends on how the ISDs shields work as they may block even a phase cloaked torpedo...

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2002-12-06 01:56pm

how about this:

retrofit a cargo ship with a phase cloak and massive antimatter containment grids. the trick would be to manuver as far into the dome protecting the solar ionization reactor as possible. i'm not entirely sure how well phased matter would pass through the neutronium enriched armor, but it just might work.

Omega-13 · Post by **Omega-13** » 2002-12-06 02:34pm

The federation could destroy an ISD, with a specially modified ship, just couldn't kill more than 1

CJvR · Post by **CJvR** » 2002-12-06 02:38pm

The ideal ship would probably be something in the defiant style since it would be impossible to build a ship capable of beating an ISD in a fair fight anyway. So the Fed/Trek don't fight fair...

They need to build some form of missile capable of bypassing both shields and armor since they dont have to power to breach either by simply blasting away at them. So we build a torpedo with all the shield/matter penetrating technology we can scrape up.
The Transphasic torpedoes seems to have some ability to bypass shields as did the, IIRC, Krenim temporaly distorted missiles. Use both of them and any other trick out there. install a phased cloak on the missile to get it through the hull, or a transporter/replicator to beam antimatter into the ISD. Once a kilo of AM makes it aboard a ISD the blast it creates will be contained by that faboulos neutronium hull and vastly increase the damage inside the ship.

The ISD will probably still require alot of killing but the Defiants are designed for massproduction so the Fed should have alot of them to send. Naturaly the party will be over the moment the Imperials find a way to block the shield/hull penetrating effects and then...

Galaxy · Post by **Galaxy** » 2002-12-06 05:15pm

The plasma torpedoes in "balance of terror" (TOS) were able to vaporize fed outposts buried in 2 mile asteroids. I'm not an expert but that sound pretty darn powerful.

Maybe the modern plasma torpedoes are even more powerful.

Captain tycho · Post by **Captain tycho** » 2002-12-06 06:54pm

Galaxy wrote:The plasma torpedoes in "balance of terror" (TOS) were able to vaporize fed outposts buried in 2 mile asteroids. I'm not an expert but that sound pretty darn powerful.

Maybe the modern plasma torpedoes are even more powerful.

It doesn't take a whole lot to burn through rock.
But to get through insanely powerful shields and very thick neutronium armor, it would take a much more powerful weapon.

Galaxy · Post by **Galaxy** » 2002-12-06 08:10pm

I used the asteroid destruction calculator to come up with 200gigatons for the TOS plasma torpedoes.

Someone said quantum torpedoes are more powerful. If that's true then watch out for them teraton volleys.

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-12-06 08:15pm

Galaxy wrote:I used the asteroid destruction calculator to come up with 200gigatons for the TOS plasma torpedoes.

Someone said quantum torpedoes are more powerful. If that's true then watch out for them teraton volleys.

Where does it say the asteroid was 'vapourized'. If it says the outpost was 'destroyed' instead, your numbers are considerably off.