Another example of stupidity from SAMAS

[Deimos Anomaly]

http://kier.3dfrontier.com/forums/showt ... genumber=1

Now bear in mind, this was before the ICS came out, but still...

[SAMAS]

What? All I said was what happens when MewTwo teleports inside.

Then you magically summoned Vader and Palpatine onto the ship.

And They couldn't cut it.

Then you tried to bump it when the ICS came out, even though the extra firepower meant jack shit to either of our arguments.

[Alyrium Denryle]

They cant teleport through the sheilds SAMAS. For the same reason that trekkies cant, the sheilds block out EVERYTHING, they are no frequency dependent, and there is no evidence that phased mater can get through. When mewtwo tries to get in, his subatomic particles will be scattered to the nine winds. The rest of them die in a hail of Turbolaser fire.

[SAMAS]

You're assuming he teleports through phasing, like a transporter.

Extradimensional and Fold-style teleports would be uneffected.

[Zaku-chan]

You're assuming he teleports through phasing, like a transporter.

You're assuming he doesn't.

[SirNitram]

You're assuming he teleports through phasing, like a transporter.

Extradimensional and Fold-style teleports would be uneffected.

I'd love to see you prove that. Heavy metals stop nearly everything extradimensional.

[SAMAS]

You're assuming he teleports through phasing, like a transporter.

You're assuming he doesn't.

And why would it? He's teleporting internally, not transmitted, like a Transporter.

[Zaku-chan]

And why would it? He's teleporting internally, not transmitted, like a Transporter.

How do you KNOW that? It might be a mental command to break himself down and reassemble at another point.

[SAMAS]

Becuase all instance of Psychic Teleportation in Pokemon, wether done by a Pokemon or otherwise, have no characteristics that would indicate discorportation or transmission at any time.

[Zaku-chan]

Becuase all instance of Psychic Teleportation in Pokemon, wether done by a Pokemon or otherwise, have no characteristics that would indicate discorportation or transmission at any time.

THAT'S your only evidence? Thank you for wasting my time.

[SAMAS]

And what evidence do you have?

[Zaku-chan]

And what evidence do you have?

Burden of Proof fallacy. You claimed Mewtwo's teleportation is extradimensional, you have to back it up.

[SAMAS]

To reiterate:

The only reason it's assumed that SW shields can block Trek Transporters is because shields in Star Trek can block them. With no way to determine the exact properties of the shields other than their similar effects, it is assumed that Wars shields can block them.

You're assuming that since it is assumed that they can block Trek Transporter beams, that means that they can block any form of teleportation(Which transporting, by the way, is not.)

But if you want to go that way, what about something that teleports in the Star Trek universe itself? Q comes immediately to mind, as does the myriad of energy-based beings that have come and go throughout the Trek saga, ToS and TNG.

Take a guess who has the burden of proof here?

[SirNitram]

Guess again, SAMAS. Transporters are blocked by SW shields since they extend into extradimensional space(Hyperspace and subspace).

[Zaku-chan]

To reiterate:

The only reason it's assumed that SW shields can block Trek Transporters is because shields in Star Trek can block them. With no way to determine the exact properties of the shields other than their similar effects, it is assumed that Wars shields can block them.

You're assuming that since it is assumed that they can block Trek Transporter beams, that means that they can block any form of teleportation(Which transporting, by the way, is not.)

Both shield types are designed to prevent energy from passing through them. It isn't a leap of logic to assume both can stop transporting.

But if you want to go that way, what about something that teleports in the Star Trek universe itself? Q comes immediately to mind, as does the myriad of energy-based beings that have come and go throughout the Trek saga, ToS and TNG.

Take a guess who has the burden of proof here?

Now you claim Mewtwo has powers equal to Q. Again, back it up.

[SAMAS]

Same fallacy. You're assuming that the act of teleportation is a transmission that can be impeded, or that it goes through hyper- or sub-space. There is no evidence of either.

[SAMAS]

But if you want to go that way, what about something that teleports in the Star Trek universe itself? Q comes immediately to mind, as does the myriad of energy-based beings that have come and go throughout the Trek saga, ToS and TNG.

Take a guess who has the burden of proof here?

Now you claim Mewtwo has powers equal to Q. Again, back it up.

Wrong. I drew a similarity to a single power/ability(teleportation), and from more than just Q. Stop trying to put words in my mouth.

[Zaku-chan]

Now you're changing the topic. You made the claim that Mewtwo can pass through shields. BACK IT UP.

[SirNitram]

Same fallacy. You're assuming that the act of teleportation is a transmission that can be impeded, or that it goes through hyper- or sub-space. There is no evidence of either.

All forms of teleportation in all genres I know of can be impeded by either dense metals(Imperial armour) or extradimensional barriers. So tell me, SAMAS, where is your proof your teleportation will sail through the shields?

[SAMAS]

Considering that he's teleported himself and others through anything else, there's little need to.

YOU have yet to prove that the shields can block him.

[Zaku-chan]

Considering that he's teleported himself and others through anything else, there's little need to.

People on ST can be beamed through rocks. Your claim is meaningless.

YOU have yet to prove that the shields can block him.

I don't have to. Until/unless you can back up your claim, I can assume shields will block him. Buden of Proof.

[SirNitram]

Considering that he's teleported himself and others through anything else, there's little need to.

YOU have yet to prove that the shields can block him.

They are blocking to things moving extradimensionally. That's all I need to. You are guilty of a no-limits fallacy, SAMAS(He can teleport through material X so he can teleport through anything).

[SAMAS]

All forms of teleportation in all genres I know of can be impeded by either dense metals(Imperial armour) or extradimensional barriers.

Space Folding(true)(Robotech, RIFTS): It only effects the immediate plane, and only two points in the plane(origin and destination) are effected. Shileding and materials cannot block it becuse it because they are not in the way anymore.

Plus most forms of supernatural teleportation...

And let's not forget more "mundane" forms that bypass any areas protected by the barrier because they don't pass through the spaces blocked by the barrier.

But you're not answering my previous assertion. I said that teleportation isn't impeded by barriers because it does not involve passing through anything in any way. I effect, you're swapping places with a point in space at your destinaton.

[SAMAS]

Bear with me, here. I'm trying to avoid cop-outs like just having him TK-grab machinery and shove it thataway at high speeds until the ship stops functioning.

[SirNitram]

All forms of teleportation in all genres I know of can be impeded by either dense metals(Imperial armour) or extradimensional barriers.

Space Folding(true)(Robotech, RIFTS): It only effects the immediate plane, and only two points in the plane(origin and destination) are effected. Shileding and materials cannot block it becuse it because they are not in the way anymore.

Plus most forms of supernatural teleportation...

And let's not forget more "mundane" forms that bypass any areas protected by the barrier because they don't pass through the spaces blocked by the barrier.

But you're not answering my previous assertion. I said that teleportation isn't impeded by barriers because it does not involve passing through anything in any way. I effect, you're swapping places with a point in space at your destinaton.

Space Folding: Conceded. But you have no proof MewTwo uses space folding.

Supernatural: You're really, really fucking ignorant. Supernatural teleportation can be blocked by certain kinds of blood, and don't have a chance against thick metals or extradimensional barriers.

You made an assertion that nothing can stop MewTwo. I pointed out something can stop many forms of extradimensional and indimensional travel. You have provided not a scrap of evidence it can pass through, despite multiple requests. Can you stop being an ignorant fanboy and put forth some proof?