Species 8472 vs The Galactic Empire

Sovereign · Post by **Sovereign** » 2002-12-05 08:36pm

Calculations to what!? Blowing up 40m rocks!? The page gives the Phasers full Watt strength, and gives hand held phasers there full Watt strength. The only thing it does not say is Megaton range for Photon and Quantum Torpedoes.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2002-12-05 08:43pm

Ah it sees yet cannot learn.

All he gives is what any fanboy of trek could do in an hour after looking at tech manuals. He gives vague reference to everything and basically regurgitates Technobabble...

Are you still gonna keep this up or are you going to provide something with substance?

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2002-12-05 08:47pm

Sovereign wrote:Check This Out...

http://www.geocities.com/sovereign_empire/wats.html

This shows the info for Star Trek's real Phasers, not made up figures!

Referencing your own site, just like DarkStar. How cute.

The only number given on that page is megawatt, inreference to a hand phaser. Totally irrelevent to the debate.

Sovereign · Post by **Sovereign** » 2002-12-05 08:49pm

Ghost Rider wrote:Ah it sees yet cannot learn.

All he gives is what any fanboy of trek could do in an hour after looking at tech manuals. He gives vague reference to everything and basically regurgitates Technobabble...

Are you still gonna keep this up or are you going to provide something with substance?

Technobabble

If canon info does not work, I dont know what will, maybe 2+2=4 will work, you do seem to be interested in only calculation! Even if Star Wars.com says something other than your own calculations, you ignore it. You think I am dumb? That is just plain retarted!

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-12-05 08:49pm

Sovereign wrote:
Ghost Rider wrote:Oh yeah...whew...a whole site of babbling and oooooh one noted figure

Oh gods what will we do
Wow, thats kinda like Star Destroyer.net. At least the Star Trek: The Magazine is an official Canon source of info.

No it isn't, dumbass.

Sovereign · Post by **Sovereign** » 2002-12-05 08:50pm

Ender wrote:
Sovereign wrote:Check This Out...

http://www.geocities.com/sovereign_empire/wats.html

This shows the info for Star Trek's real Phasers, not made up figures!
Referencing your own site, just like DarkStar. How cute.

The only number given on that page is megawatt, inreference to a hand phaser. Totally irrelevent to the debate.

You must have missed the 5 MEGAWATT Starship Phaser Information...

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2002-12-05 08:51pm

My bad, I see the 5 MW now, sorry.

Course a single LTL shot would be 2.09^14 Megajoules, and if you convert it over to watts, it is 3.135^15 Megawatts.

3,135,000,000,000,000 > 5

Funny thing Sovereign, this site give a higher number then that.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2002-12-05 08:52pm

So where in SW.com has said the ICS is wrong or come up with calculations?

Oh wait...it doesn't.

But you so want it too much like dumbstar you have fabricated it in your mind...damn.

A Darkfuck clone in such a short period of time.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-12-05 08:53pm

Sovereign wrote:
Ghost Rider wrote:Ah it sees yet cannot learn.

All he gives is what any fanboy of trek could do in an hour after looking at tech manuals. He gives vague reference to everything and basically regurgitates Technobabble...

Are you still gonna keep this up or are you going to provide something with substance?
Technobabble

If canon info does not work, I dont know what will, maybe 2+2=4 will work, you do seem to be interested in only calculation! Even if Star Wars.com says something other than your own calculations, you ignore it. You think I am dumb? That is just plain retarted!

No, you are dumb. The tech manuals are not canon or official. SW.com has never refuted our calculations, to the best of my knowledge, and even if it has it is merely official and not canon.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2002-12-05 08:54pm

Sovereign wrote:If canon info does not work, I dont know what will, maybe 2+2=4 will work, you do seem to be interested in only calculation! Even if Star Wars.com says something other than your own calculations, you ignore it. You think I am dumb? That is just plain retarted!

I must have missed the part where www.starwars.com listed a single figure for weapons power. Link please.

Course we do have given numbers, numbers far higher then the ones presented on the main site.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-12-05 08:56pm

Sovereign wrote:Check This Out...

http://www.geocities.com/sovereign_empire/wats.html

This shows the info for Star Trek's real Phasers, not made up figures!

Near as I can tell, there isn't a single calculation on your site other than the ludicrously easy and frivolous KE calculation (if I didn't know better, I'd say that the site was designed for people without any grasp of science).

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2002-12-05 08:56pm

Sovereign wrote:Calculations to what!? Blowing up 40m rocks!? The page gives the Phasers full Watt strength, and gives hand held phasers there full Watt strength. The only thing it does not say is Megaton range for Photon and Quantum Torpedoes.

Funny how using your site, starwars fighters pack more punch then Trek Capships.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-12-05 08:57pm

Sovereign wrote:
You must have missed the 5 MEGAWATT Starship Phaser Information...

Oh my GOD Star Trek has megawatt weapons. Those are piddly compared with Imperial weapons. Do you have a relevent point, or are you just existing?

beyond hope · Post by **beyond hope** » 2002-12-05 09:07pm

It gets better: check out the page on the Romulans, it's pulled straight from the Starfleet Command PC game instruction book.

Sov, I highly recommend a good hard look at the Paramount canon policy for Star Trek: only the shows themselves are canon sources. No novels, magazines, tech manuals, or any of the games are considered "canon." So, the information on that site is inadmissible.

P.S. - to forestall the inevitable "that's not fair," it's *Paramount's* policy. You don't like it, go to the company website and email them.

Anarchist Bunny · Post by **Anarchist Bunny** » 2002-12-05 09:34pm

Sov: Wars can win, trek has weapons in the MegaWatts.

The Sane: That figures wrong.

Sov: But their 5 Megawatts, yeah you heard me Megawatts.

The Sane: Lets say those figures are wrong, that means the weakest weapons on a ISD are 627,000,000,000,000 times stronger.

Sov: But their PHASERS, and have 5 megawatts of power.

You see, the thing with Sovie here, is he doesn't understand what NUMBERS mean, maybe he doesn't even know they exsist. He is a prime example of the name game, it doesn't matter what numbers we put up against him, in his world they mean nothing, all that matters is that he likes Trek.

Anarchist Bunny · Post by **Anarchist Bunny** » 2002-12-05 09:35pm

Damn no edit, the second wrong should be right.

Oh and post 1111.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2002-12-05 09:45pm

The braindead retard called Sovereign wrote: Technobabble

If canon info does not work, I dont know what will, maybe 2+2=4 will work, you do seem to be interested in only calculation! Even if Star Wars.com says something other than your own calculations, you ignore it. You think I am dumb? That is just plain retarted!

You still don't get it do you? Technobabble is MADE-UP MEANINGLESS JIBBERISH. Thats why its WORTHLESS. Its in canon episodes but its IMPOSSIBLE TO ANALYZE ANY OF IT.
If Geordi reports that "they have a phase modulated graviton resonation in the secondary plasma conduit decreasing the nominal efficiency of the subspace field coil which could disrupt the anti-phase containment vessels" what does any of that MEAN? NOTHING.

All you've ever quoted from SW.com is that turbo lasers are plasma. SO WHAT. You NEVER have realized WHY quantities are CRUCIAL in these debates.

Allow me to give you a real life example: a 1 gram pebble and a 1000 kg boulder are both rocks. A typical person could easily shrug off the pebble being dropped on his head from 0.1 meters up. Do you HONESTLY think that this fact means you could survive the 1000 kg rock being dropped on your head? Even though they are the exact same type of attack and they are both rocks?

WHAT PART OF THIS DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?

That does it. Anyone want to start a thread nominating Sovereign for a 'custom' title. VI or worse?

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2002-12-05 09:47pm

No Village Idiot is perfectly fine...he has yet to reach much beyond that in the past two threads.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2002-12-05 09:59pm

OK the nomination thread is up.

Sovereign, this is your last chance to defend yourself and prove your innocence. Make the most of it.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2002-12-05 10:13pm

About my analogy in my last post. I think that Sovereign is proof that someone could survive a 1000 kg boulder being dropped on his head.

nightmare · Post by **nightmare** » 2002-12-06 12:53am

Hmm.. I se no reason to send in ISDs vs bioships.

Fighters will do. Or just corvettes. They have enough firepower to kill bioships and and are much more disposable than Star Destroyers. Even if they are lost, they make it well worth it.

With one Star Destroyer churned out per seven minutes at the height of the Empire, it shouldn't take long to manufacture enough small ships to destroy millions of bioships.

I think I'll just stay clear of this debate from now on.

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-12-06 12:59am

Don't act like millions of bioships are a given. This is part of the well-knwon trekkie tactic of assuming that if they do not know the limit of something, then it must be infinity

nightmare · Post by **nightmare** » 2002-12-06 01:25am

Vympel wrote:Don't act like millions of bioships are a given. This is part of the well-knwon trekkie tactic of assuming that if they do not know the limit of something, then it must be infinity

Oh, I don't. I'm just pointing out that even if they were right, they would still lose.

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2002-12-06 03:10am

Darth Servo wrote:Allow me to give you a real life example: a 1 gram pebble and a 1000 kg boulder are both rocks. A typical person could easily shrug off the pebble being dropped on his head from 0.1 meters up. Do you HONESTLY think that this fact means you could survive the 1000 kg rock being dropped on your head? Even though they are the exact same type of attack and they are both rocks?

You know what? Your babbling about numbers is MEANINGLESS!
PROVE IT!

I nominate Sovereign as our test subject

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2002-12-06 03:11am

Ghost Rider wrote:No Village Idiot is perfectly fine...he has yet to reach much beyond that in the past two threads.

I vote for "Ass-imilated Poopyhead"