SG-Atlantis 2x13 : Critical mass *possible spoilers*

Chris OFarrell · Post by **Chris OFarrell** » 2005-12-08 05:04pm

It was Rachel who sung the song. It says so in the credits.

She has a hell of a voice. It was a nice backdrop to the last few minuites of Atlantis as everything moved to the climax.

Chris OFarrell · Post by **Chris OFarrell** » 2005-12-08 05:22pm

ggs wrote:I bet that tazer used on Caldwell doesnt feature normal batteries.

Why? It looked like a standard issue Taser to me.

The real question is how long has Caldwell been snaked, and how long has the Trust had access to him. Remember he was gunning as the military lead of the Atlantis expedition.

It's also interesting what the Taser did.

It looks like an electrical shock will disrupt a Goa'uld's control of their host. In season 1 Jack shot Skarra/Khorel with a Zat and for about twenty seconds, Khorell lost control. Now when Sheppard shot Caldwell with the taser, the eyes flashed 'off' and Caldwell himself managed to claw his way out of Goa'uld control for long enough to tell Sheppard the access code. At a guess, it's all because the electrical shock disrupts the CNS of the host which the Goa'uld co-ops.

Chris OFarrell · Post by **Chris OFarrell** » 2005-12-08 05:24pm

Of course, it probably depends on the relative strength of the host. Skara and Caldwell were probably throwing everything they had into breaking past the Goa'uld in their heads and when the Goa'ulds control slipped, they were able to gain control for a short time. Where as the hosts of major Goa'uld have been supressed for so long that they just don't have any fight in them.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2005-12-08 05:48pm

On re-viewing, I make it 'Sheppard' too.

Old Plympto · Post by **Old Plympto** » 2005-12-09 08:56am

How many Stargate recurring characters were there in that episode?
Zlenka, Caldwell, Dr. Novak, Hermiod, Lt. Cadman, Walter, Barrett, Dr. Lee, and General Landry. Damn! Stargate writes its recurring characters into an ensemble piece much better than Star Trek.

Chris OFarrell · Post by **Chris OFarrell** » 2005-12-09 10:01am

Did anyone else notice that when McKay disengaged the ZPM, it looked like he had hooked a Mark II Naquadah reactor into the grid? Wonder if Atlantis has gotten the 5 original Naquadah reactors replaced with 5 or more Mark II's instead.

el blanco · Post by **el blanco** » 2006-01-20 10:22pm

Was that the original Cadman? I seem to remember her being hotter than that.

Jason von Evil · Post by **Jason von Evil** » 2006-01-20 11:21pm

Cadwell? Fucking Christ, that was a twist. I thought it was Zelinka at first, then Cavinaugh. The singing was...odd.

So, will Cadwell remain commander of the Daedalus or will he be replaced?

Plushie · Post by **Plushie** » 2006-01-20 11:30pm

You know, that reminds me:

When the heck are we gunna see more Baal? The end of the last episode he was in featured a whole SLEW of clones. I want to see more along the lines of that episode (different, of course, but something more Earth-centric).

And I still think he looks DAMNED sexy in a suit, and I'm a straight male.

Darth Sephiroth · Post by **Darth Sephiroth** » 2006-01-20 11:37pm

yeah we do need more of Baal, it would be interesting if the snake in Caldwell was a Baal clone just for laughs if nothing else.

Soontir C'boath · Post by **Soontir C'boath** » 2006-01-20 11:41pm

Jason von Evil wrote:So, will Cadwell remain commander of the Daedalus or will he be replaced?

Well he had one in his head. I would think it'd be valuable to glean the information he has taken and perhaps help undermind the Trust.

I will like pony-tail man at the fact that he may be the pompous bastard, but he'll faint at the sight of a warrior.

Damn pussy.

So, Baal is going to be torturing Teal'c. I wonder if this'll be O'Neill level torture...

Darth Sephiroth · Post by **Darth Sephiroth** » 2006-01-20 11:48pm

Soontir C'boath wrote:
Jason von Evil wrote:So, will Cadwell remain commander of the Daedalus or will he be replaced?
Well he had one in his head. I would think it'd be valuable to glean the information he has taken and perhaps help undermind the Trust.

I will like pony-tail man at the fact that he may be the pompous bastard, but he'll faint at the sight of a warrior. Damn pussy.

So, Baal is going to be torturing Teal'c. I wonder if this'll be O'Neill level torture...

Probably not, he's aparently convinced the trust that he isn't as sadistic as he was because he likes earth or something like that...

NRS Guardian · Post by **NRS Guardian** » 2006-01-20 11:57pm

"It's like Lord of the Rings."
(heads nod)
"You know. The signal fires."

Plushie · Post by **Plushie** » 2006-01-20 11:59pm

NRS Guardian wrote:"It's like Lord of the Rings."
(heads nod)
"You know. The signal fires."

I should mention that that is my favorite scene in all three of the movies.

I love mountains. Tall mountains. With snow.

The Prime Necromancer · Post by **The Prime Necromancer** » 2006-01-21 12:10am

NRS Guardian wrote:"It's like Lord of the Rings."
(heads nod)
"You know. The signal fires."

Oh, God, that was hilarious.

How many Stargate recurring characters were there in that episode?
Zlenka, Caldwell, Dr. Novak, Hermiod, Lt. Cadman, Walter, Barrett, Dr. Lee, and General Landry. Damn! Stargate writes its recurring characters into an ensemble piece much better than Star Trek.

Part of that was probably because they needed people for us to suspect.

Anyway, I also hope we get some pathos and then later Goa'uld tech asskicking from Caldwell. Remember back when Goa'uld infestation was a death sentence?

As for the singing, I liked it; it was quite lyrical, if a little out of place. And Miss Luttrell has a beautiful voice.

Darth Sephiroth · Post by **Darth Sephiroth** » 2006-01-21 12:13am

Unfortunately if they'd kept that they would have had to save the episode for the season finale. But yeah, it would need to be something that is brought up later on.

Also does anyone else believe that the previews for next week seem to point to McKay getting halucinations...

Jason von Evil · Post by **Jason von Evil** » 2006-01-21 12:20am

The LOTR reference was one of the best points in the episode.

Brother-Captain Gaius · Post by **Brother-Captain Gaius** » 2006-01-21 12:32am

I was going to mention that the 101 Dalmations/Lord of the Rings scene was goddamned priceless, but I've been beaten to the punch. I was cracking up at that one.

Alex Moon · Post by **Alex Moon** » 2006-01-21 12:37am

Jason von Evil wrote:The LOTR reference was one of the best points in the episode.

Personally, I love that no one got the reference to 101 dalmations. It reminds me of so many parents I've met.

ngc7293 · Post by **ngc7293** » 2006-01-21 02:40am

I hated the Teyla singing part. When people do that and it sounds completely fake, I just have to mute it. (Didn't know it was Luttrell's voice) Maybe if she had started off singing on her own and then the whole thing expanded to cover that "We're Working To Beat The Odds" part, I would have been ok with it.

I was suprised when it turned out to be Agent Skinner being the bad guy. I hope he comes back. He's a cool actor.

Centurian99 · Post by **Centurian99** » 2006-01-21 02:45am

On reflection, it makes the most sense for Caldwell to have been the one with the Go'uld...he's the Captain of a ship. If anyone can "bypass" the security screens to get onboard, it'd be him.

Brother-Captain Gaius · Post by **Brother-Captain Gaius** » 2006-01-21 03:10am

While I do like the actor, and I definitely thought him being the Goa'uld was excellent for several reasons, the "z0mg we wil pwn teh goauld and u wil be ok lol" was pretty lame. If you're going to use a recurring character like that, at least have the balls to follow through instead of copping out.

Also, the whole sideplot was pretty stupid. The only good thing was the music, but that's because instead of paying attention to the funeral, my friend and I acted out the last stand of Space Marines against a Tyranid horde and dying heroically.

applejack · Post by **applejack** » 2006-01-21 04:24am

NecronLord wrote:What was the tactical issue? Why not just send the Daedalus and the jumpers to destroy the cruisers? Even a single well placed squid can mission kill the things. Though hiding is preferable, they'd not be hard to overcome in battle. It would have been nice to have a mention of the reason for needing to hide was to ensure that the cruisers didn't inform their queens...

Perhaps two missing cruisers may have tipped off the Wraiths. From a previous episode, we know they keep tabs on the disposition of their hive ships. That doesn't necessarily mean they do the same for cruisers, but perhaps it explains why Atlantis didn't destroy the two ships outright.

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2006-01-21 04:44am

Yes, the LOTR reference had me falling out of my chair. Many, many good recurring characters on both shows, I give the "SG Block" a solid A this week.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2006-01-21 12:16pm

Chris OFarrell wrote:
Zac Naloen wrote: Chris, Microsoft/Intel aren't necessarily involved in anyway. The software weir was using certainly didn't look microsoft based. Perhaps mckay wrote a sort of ancient emulator that runs under windows.
Seriously, I hate the lack of an edit button.

Dude, you are a senator. You get to edit things now, remember?

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SG-Atlantis 2x13 : Critical mass possible spoilers