[EugenicHegemony] Income Tax debate advice

[Admiral Valdemar]

I doubt it. He may be crying himself to sleep as we speak, his dreams of becoming Mad Max shattered by reality, with a little help from the more rational minds at SDN.

[Boyish-Tigerlilly]

It kind of funny that in real life countries in state of anarchy seems going ecomocally worse then even some real life communist states (like China) if anarchy was ecomacally better then anything else.

No. He believes it. He's just saying he doesn't now. He's very serious.

[Boyish-Tigerlilly]

Edit: I fucked that quote up Keevan. I didn't even mean to quote you at all.
My mistake.

I meant to quote someone else. But anyway, I think he's just saying he's trolling to look good in his mind. It's better to pretend that you were joking or poking fun than to have people mock you for something you really do believe.

[Ender]

Flipping through here, the wackaloon does raise two points incorectly addressed -

1) conversion of wasteland to usable space. This has been done repeatedly by the government. Examples include the rerouting of the Chicago river, draining of swamps, and providing water for most of California.

2) Competition between food suppliers. Actually, as of 2000 when I got my on the job training at Jewel Osco (I was a bagger for about 2 weeks) I got a nice little brief about corporate structure and our mission statement. It turns out that almost all the gorcery stores in the USA (obviously little mom and pops don't count) are owned by two corporations; American Foods (who I worked for), and another whose name I can't recall. So we had a big list of places that we would reccomend to customers if we didn't have what they wanted, or prices we would match (as they were other AF stores), and places we were out to beat. Obviously the fact there there was more then 1 means there was competition and the twit is still wrong, but its not nearly as open as most people think.

[SirNitram]

I bow to Ender on the conversion of wasteland. I didn't realize those were Federal projects, but in retrospect, it doesn't surprise.

Interestingly, here's some proof the FED isn't a monopoly: Usage of privately-minted coins, and the fact there's no law against their use or acceptance.

Link

Of course, facts don't work on trolls.

[EugenicHegemony]

I bow to Ender on the conversion of wasteland. I didn't realize those were Federal projects, but in retrospect, it doesn't surprise.

Interestingly, here's some proof the FED isn't a monopoly: Usage of privately-minted coins, and the fact there's no law against their use or acceptance.

Link

Of course, facts don't work on trolls.

When our currency is again interest free then you can make that claim...

[SirNitram]

I bow to Ender on the conversion of wasteland. I didn't realize those were Federal projects, but in retrospect, it doesn't surprise.

Interestingly, here's some proof the FED isn't a monopoly: Usage of privately-minted coins, and the fact there's no law against their use or acceptance.

Link

Of course, facts don't work on trolls.

When our currency is again interest free then you can make that claim...

As above, facts utterly fail on trolling peices of dogshit. I just disproved that the FED is a monopoly. Are you going to rebutt, or just prove you're worthless and can't debate to save your life?

[EugenicHegemony]

I bow to Ender on the conversion of wasteland. I didn't realize those were Federal projects, but in retrospect, it doesn't surprise.

Interestingly, here's some proof the FED isn't a monopoly: Usage of privately-minted coins, and the fact there's no law against their use or acceptance.

Link

Of course, facts don't work on trolls.

When our currency is again interest free then you can make that claim...

As above, facts utterly fail on trolling peices of dogshit. I just disproved that the FED is a monopoly. Are you going to rebutt, or just prove you're worthless and can't debate to save your life?

When our currency is interest free then you can make that claim. That link proves nothing.

[SirNitram]

When our currency is interest free then you can make that claim. That link proves nothing.

Red herring. The privately-minted coinage is accepted and there are no legal barriers to using it as tender. Therefore the monopoly you demand must exist does not. Fuck off and go back to chanting anarchic slogans, you trolling shitwad.

[EugenicHegemony]

When our currency is interest free then you can make that claim. That link proves nothing.

Red herring. The privately-minted coinage is accepted and there are no legal barriers to using it as tender. Therefore the monopoly you demand must exist does not. Fuck off and go back to chanting anarchic slogans, you trolling shitwad.

So what? When there is no longer a monopoly on the interest bearing U.S. currency then you can make that claim. Do you not get that, or are you just a fucking idiot?

[EugenicHegemony]

When our currency is interest free then you can make that claim. That link proves nothing.

Red herring. The privately-minted coinage is accepted and there are no legal barriers to using it as tender. Therefore the monopoly you demand must exist does not. Fuck off and go back to chanting anarchic slogans, you trolling shitwad.

So what? It's an alternative to the U.S. monetary system, and not even accepted everywhere. When there is no longer a monopoly on the fiat interest bearing U.S. currency then you can make that claim. Do you not get that, or are you just a fucking idiot?

[EugenicHegemony]

and locked m y poll for no reason. Claiming it was a duplicate when it obviously wasn't.

I'm no anarchist, and don't believe in anarchy as a realistic viable option. I am however, for the Decentralization of governmental power as was Jefferson. He was able to reduce the size of government by 30%. I see none today on either of the red/blue marionette team, to even entertain such a thought. You all must know that 99% of everything we do is anarchic in nature, and we cohabitate in a collective society. A collective individuality, if you will. I think that 99% and (I'm just guessing) of the world's population, control themselves and their behavior out of respect for their neighbor and their property. Also the reputation they have built, and are building for themselves. I look to Jefferson's natural law of aggressing, and I think that is what we as an individually collective world populace should all strive for. Am I wrong?

Thomas Jefferson:
"No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another, and this is all from which the laws ought to restrain him."

Ender wrote:
Flipping through here, the wackaloon does raise two points incorrectly addressed -

1) conversion of wasteland to usable space. This has been done repeatedly by the government. Examples include the rerouting of the Chicago river, draining of swamps, and providing water for most of California.

2) Competition between food suppliers. Actually, as of 2000 when I got my on the job training at Jewel Osco (I was a bagger for about 2 weeks) I got a nice little brief about corporate structure and our mission statement. It turns out that almost all the grocery stores in the USA (obviously little mom and pops don't count) are owned by two corporations; American Foods (who I worked for), and another whose name I can't recall. So we had a big list of places that we would recommend to customers if we didn't have what they wanted, or prices we would match (as they were other AF stores), and places we were out to beat. Obviously the fact there there was more then 1 means there was competition and the twit is still wrong, but its not nearly as open as most people think.


Correct, it's not as open as many seem to think. A planned economy is never open; therefore by definition, it cannot be considered a free market. It is accessible only as much as a centralized government sees fit to make it. This is not exclusive to the U.S. and will reach pandemic proportions.

This is one of my favorite truthful economist's.

"In a real and Fundamental sense, practically the entire American economy has been nationalized — if we broaden the term "nationalized" to mean the allocation and use of resources directly or indirectly determined or influenced by government's spending plans. And in this sense, the United States has a planned economy."
~Richard M. Ebeling

Richard M. Ebeling:

Among his recent writings are: "A Rational Economist in an Irrational Age: Ludwig von Mises" (The Age of Economists: From Adam Smith to Milton Friedman,Hillsdale College Press, 1999); "Wilhelm Ropeke: A Centenary Appreciation," (The Freeman,October 1999); Friedrich A. Hayek: A Centenary Appreciation" (The Freeman,May 1999); "The Free Market and the Interventionist State," (Between Power and Liberty: Economics and the Law,Hillsdale College Press, 1997); "Mission to Moscow: Ludwig von Mises's 'Lost Papers' and Their Significance," (Liberty magazine, April 1997); "The Global Economy and Classical Liberalism: Past, Present and Future," (The Future of American Business,Hillsdale College Press, 1996); "World Peace, International Order and Classical Liberalism," (International Journal of World Peace,December 1995); "The Political Myths and Economic Realities of the Welfare State," (American Perestroika: The Demise of the Welfare State,Hillsdale College Press, 1995) and "Liberalism and Collectivism in the 20th Century," (The End of 'Isms'? Reflections on the Fate of Ideological Politics after Communism's Collapse,Blackwell, Publishers, 1994).


SirNitram wrote:[/i]
I bow to Ender on the conversion of wasteland. I didn't realize those were Federal projects, but in retrospect, it doesn't surprise.

Interestingly, here's some proof the FED isn't a monopoly: Usage of privately-minted coins, and the fact there's no law against their use or acceptance.

Link

Of course, facts don't work on trolls.


When our currency is again interest free then you can make that claim...

When you have the time, please read what these economist's have to say. It will only take you about 20 minutes to do so. I have their documented writings, yes, on my blog. I like to keep it all in queued for easy and quick reference. After reading that you can call me a radical or any other name if you wish. I only want what's best for our country/world, and I don't feel this is it. I think we can always strive for a better alternative.

America's Nationalized Economy is now in Central Asia

Income Tax Book Banned In America.

[Plekhanov]

EugenicHegemony you claim to be A Jeffersonian and free marketeer.... yet bizzarely you also claim that the US’s national education system makes it “communist”:

I'm not being dishonest at all. I said national communist policies. This is not a very well hidden secret.

No because nationalized compulsory education is a communist principal.

Nationalised compulsory education may well be a communist principle it’s also a principle of a great many other widely divergent political theories you muppet, so the fact that a country may have nationalized compulsory education does notautomatically make it communist.

Besides your argument is moot anyway as private schools which follow their own curriculum exist in the US anyway so what’s your point?

My point is we should all be able to keep our capital and then anyone can afford private school. Not just the rich and then more government redistribution through vouchers. it's absurd. Private school and no public will create a major competitive advantage to the citizenry of any country. especially one such as the U.S. You ignored everything in that article on why that system was installed. It breeds future labor and this has all been documents. NCLB is doing exactly what it set out to do. It's pushing kids out the door and creating this massive consumerist farm we have today.

Are you not aware that Jefferson was a passionate advocate of state education and even proposed a constitutional amendment giving the US gov the responsibility to for public education?

Every government degenerates when trusted to the rulers of the people alone. The people themselves are its only safe depositories. And to render even them safe, their minds must be improved to a certain degree. . . . An amendment to our constitution must here come in aid of the public education. The influence over government must be shared among all people.

So once again would you care to reconcile these two mutually contradictory aspects of your fuckwit ideology.

[SirNitram]

When our currency is interest free then you can make that claim. That link proves nothing.

Red herring. The privately-minted coinage is accepted and there are no legal barriers to using it as tender. Therefore the monopoly you demand must exist does not. Fuck off and go back to chanting anarchic slogans, you trolling shitwad.

So what? It's an alternative to the U.S. monetary system, and not even accepted everywhere. When there is no longer a monopoly on the fiat interest bearing U.S. currency then you can make that claim. Do you not get that, or are you just a fucking idiot?

I get what you're trying to claim, but that doesn't make your argument logical. Besides, a monopolized bank would mean I couldn't invest down the street at one of four. Like most cretinous, would-be intellectuals, you fall short because you don't know what the words mean. The monopoly is verifiably not in place, and it's objective reality which is shitting on your head.

It's the same with your regurgitation of the 'nationalized economy' bullshit. And your inability to keep Iraq and America seperate in your head.

and locked m y poll for no reason. Claiming it was a duplicate when it obviously wasn't.

Hrm, you have the same flawed assumptions, same arguments, and two replies from this thread. Yet it's 'obviously' completely different. Yea, I don't think anyone is buying that.

And of course, you, very amusingly, thought sending a torrent of vulgarities at me via PM was going to help your case. How cute!

[Edi]

and locked m y poll for no reason. Claiming it was a duplicate when it obviously wasn't.

Hrm, you have the same flawed assumptions, same arguments, and two replies from this thread. Yet it's 'obviously' completely different. Yea, I don't think anyone is buying that.

And of course, you, very amusingly, thought sending a torrent of vulgarities at me via PM was going to help your case. How cute!

Oh, he did that to you too? What a shock. I don't think he's even going to get a ban poll at the rate he's going, just a spiked boot up the ass.

Edi

[EugenicHegemony]

Red herring. The privately-minted coinage is accepted and there are no legal barriers to using it as tender. Therefore the monopoly you demand must exist does not. Fuck off and go back to chanting anarchic slogans, you trolling shitwad.

So what? It's an alternative to the U.S. monetary system, and not even accepted everywhere. When there is no longer a monopoly on the fiat interest bearing U.S. currency then you can make that claim. Do you not get that, or are you just a fucking idiot?

I get what you're trying to claim, but that doesn't make your argument logical. Besides, a monopolized bank would mean I couldn't invest down the street at one of four. Like most cretinous, would-be intellectuals, you fall short because you don't know what the words mean. The monopoly is verifiably not in place, and it's objective reality which is shitting on your head.

It's the same with your regurgitation of the 'nationalized economy' bullshit. And your inability to keep Iraq and America seperate in your head.

and locked m y poll for no reason. Claiming it was a duplicate when it obviously wasn't.

Hrm, you have the same flawed assumptions, same arguments, and two replies from this thread. Yet it's 'obviously' completely different. Yea, I don't think anyone is buying that.

And of course, you, very amusingly, thought sending a torrent of vulgarities at me via PM was going to help your case. How cute!

Who cares what bank you can go to, to hoard your capital. There is a monopoly of the currency in the U.S. and it's loaned at interest. I know exactly the terminology I'm using. Those coins are also backed by silver, the fiat is backed by interest. I recommend abolishing the Central bank and you and your science fUction fucktards all slammed me for it. All we do now is exchange FED currency for U.S. fiat with the interest they monopolistically attach to it. You just want to be a combative prick, and not acknowledge that is so.

I never changed my position, and supplied a few economists that I share my beliefs. You chose not to read any of it. I read your worthless link that proved nothing. An alternative currency that by the way is worth more than the interest bearing fiat paper we have in circulation. I have already shown we also don't have a free market, and you didn't bother addressing that either.

[EugenicHegemony]

EugenicHegemony you claim to be A Jeffersonian and free marketeer.... yet bizzarely you also claim that the US’s national education system makes it “communist”:

Nationalised compulsory education may well be a communist principle it’s also a principle of a great many other widely divergent political theories you muppet, so the fact that a country may have nationalized compulsory education does notautomatically make it communist.

Besides your argument is moot anyway as private schools which follow their own curriculum exist in the US anyway so what’s your point?

My point is we should all be able to keep our capital and then anyone can afford private school. Not just the rich and then more government redistribution through vouchers. it's absurd. Private school and no public will create a major competitive advantage to the citizenry of any country. especially one such as the U.S. You ignored everything in that article on why that system was installed. It breeds future labor and this has all been documents. NCLB is doing exactly what it set out to do. It's pushing kids out the door and creating this massive consumerist farm we have today.

Are you not aware that Jefferson was a passionate advocate of state education and even proposed a constitutional amendment giving the US gov the responsibility to for public education?

Every government degenerates when trusted to the rulers of the people alone. The people themselves are its only safe depositories. And to render even them safe, their minds must be improved to a certain degree. . . . An amendment to our constitution must here come in aid of the public education. The influence over government must be shared among all people.

So once again would you care to reconcile these two mutually contradictory aspects of your fuckwit ideology.

I never said I agreed with everything Jefferson did or said. I said I was a Jeffersonian free marketeer. The man had slaves for godsakes. The compulsory education system in the U.S. is a Prussian installed communist one. A society will always do collective things as it's only natural. I never contradicted myself at all.

[EugenicHegemony]

Hrm, you have the same flawed assumptions, same arguments, and two replies from this thread. Yet it's 'obviously' completely different. Yea, I don't think anyone is buying that.

And of course, you, very amusingly, thought sending a torrent of vulgarities at me via PM was going to help your case. How cute!

Nothing was "flawed". It was a fucking poll you asshole, and I chose to start a new discusion in a clean thread. You just exerted your dickhead authorty for no reason. So fuck you.

[EugenicHegemony]

And the reason I link Iraq and the U.S. is because it's an imperialistic extention of this nationalistic despotic nation. Who set up the nationalized system there...The U.S... How can I not link them, you fucks.

[Plekhanov]

I never said I agreed with everything Jefferson did or said. I said I was a Jeffersonian free marketeer. The man had slaves for godsakes. The compulsory education system in the U.S. is a Prussian installed communist one. A society will always do collective things as it's only natural. I never contradicted myself at all.

Jefferson believed a state education system was essential for both the market economy and democracy to flourish and devoted considerable time and energy at various stages in his life to the cause of state education, you cannot credibly claim to be a Jeffersonian marketer whilst simultaneously claiming that state education is communist.

Of course it is rather silly of me to expect something who believes state education to be inherently communist, despite the fact that it’s not compulsory and there any many alternatives freely available, to make any credible claims at all.

[Stuart Mackey]

And the reason I link Iraq and the U.S. is because it's an imperialistic extention of this nationalistic despotic nation. Who set up the nationalized system there...The U.S... How can I not link them, you fucks.

Sorry to intrude this late in the thread, but do you know what 'despotic' means?.

[EugenicHegemony]

I never said I agreed with everything Jefferson did or said. I said I was a Jeffersonian free marketeer. The man had slaves for godsakes. The compulsory education system in the U.S. is a Prussian installed communist one. A society will always do collective things as it's only natural. I never contradicted myself at all.

Jefferson believed a state education system was essential for both the market economy and democracy to flourish and devoted considerable time and energy at various stages in his life to the cause of state education, you cannot credibly claim to be a Jeffersonian marketer whilst simultaneously claiming that state education is communist.

Of course it is rather silly of me to expect something who believes state education to be inherently communist, despite the fact that it’s not compulsory and there any many alternatives freely available, to make any credible claims at all.

I said: I was a Jeffersonian free marketeer. I believe in his basic principles and not all of them. That does not negate me being a Jeffersonian. I, nor you, have to follow to the letter, anyones past ideas, and can still claim them to be, a role model if you will, in your life.

He was also a man of the world, and real Republican. The father of the Republic party, and he wanted more than nothing to do with organized religion. He orchestrated the Louisiana purchase, and did so in a wholly peaceful manner. If that same purchase would to take place in preset day America then it would have been an all out bloody imperialistic war.

It is, in fact, compulsory and I provided the factual information to back that up. A cookie cutter system is not conducive to individual: needs, skills, growth, and talents. You chose to ignore the links. Whether you decide to go through public, home, or private (if you can afford it), it's a mandatory process.

[EugenicHegemony]

And the reason I link Iraq and the U.S. is because it's an imperialistic extention of this nationalistic despotic nation. Who set up the nationalized system there...The U.S... How can I not link them, you fucks.

Sorry to intrude this late in the thread, but do you know what 'despotic' means?.

Of course. I coined the phrase: Economic Despotism.

[EugenicHegemony]

I should say: Nationalized Economic Despotism. It's how I found your tiger lilly...

[EugenicHegemony]

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