[EugenicHegemony] Income Tax debate advice

[Stuart Mackey]

I should say: Nationalized Economic Despotism.

And you think this is related to the US?
How is the US economy owned by one person who is also the state?

It's how I found your tiger lilly...

WTF?

[EugenicHegemony]

In my subjective system of education, electives are the primary area to develop a child's natural abilities. The U.S.government doesn't teach anything, and MEMORIZATION of their relative revisionist conditioning is the name of the game. It's really the entirety of Mainstream education, not necessarily public schools. It's the system that's broken. When I say broken, I mean for we the people. This government has fixed it just the way they want it.

If this collective government truly cared about education for our kids, and their bright futures it would be done in a much different fashion. Math, English, Science, languages, real history, not revisionist propaganda would all be taught at the earliest age possible. When your a young open mined child you absorb everything, and it would do we the people well to remember that.

High school is a joke, and learning is hampered by people's social inadequacies. Truly teach we the people's children while they are young, and they will be a force to be reckoned with. At 3 years old a child can start learning languages, some say earlier. What are your kids doing, learning how the cow jumped over the moon?

Our government will not do that in an easy to learn mainstream fashion. Have they ever? They want us to forget: Spanish, French, German..etc by the time kids graduate. Get real, this government doesn't really care about any of us or we the people's futures. They want labor, that's what they want. Labor to work in all the wonderful Corporatist walmarts, block busters, circuit cities, home depots, lowes, sams clubs, police and MILITARY I'm sure you can fill in the rest. It's one big farm that's all. What will you do when they install the pharmaceutical industry into all our schools, it's coming?

When are you all going to see we the people are all we really have? Without each other to stand united we will be taken in by everything else.
Unless you all think this link shows ther breeding of a force to be reckoned with...

http://www.politicalcrossfire.com/forum ... highlight=

"We must face the appalling fact that we have been betrayed by both the Democratic and Republican Parties."
~Martin Luther King, Jr.

Here are my ideas to abolish the welfare state:

This "Welfare State" can only be abolished, once "Government" takes it's hooks out of our economy, and (only) then. "Government" intervention, by definition, interferes with the process of supply and demand, throws off natural forces and degrades economies.

Prior to our (bad parents) becoming a "benefactor" to the general public and setting up Social Security, people used to "save". As they knew not what tomorrow would bring, money would always be put aside in case of an emergency.

It's quite obvious (just look around) that our bad parent's intervention has had an adverse psychological effect on the general public, who would have thunk it?. (Thinking) that there is a "safety net" (I say think because I believe SS to be a fraud, a sort of pyramid scheme, and not a safety net) people are no longer inclined to save for emergencies. Our bad parent's have enabled a citizenry, and it has taken us down the path of self destruction. All brought on by our bad parent's "good deeds".

I believe there should be a "safety net" for those that (want it). In place of SS, in response to the demand, there would be private enterprises where one could deposit capital for "rainy days" or as a retirement plan. In the meanwhile these companies would invest the capital spurring economic growth, and it would be (accessible on demand).

A revamped (beneficial) version of what banks do when they prostitute out our capital in a socialist fashion as they see fit. Banks use our capital and erect massive buildings taking up prime real estate, and then subsequently rent out everything in those buildings while making billions. I'm sure you have seen these monolith's of thievery while driving down the road, with famous Bank's names slapped on the front of the building for all to see. Arrogant corporatist cartel. Meanwhile, we don't benefit from it at all. We get spit on with their pitiful controlled interest rates. How's it feel to know there's a monopoly on the capital in the "land of the free"? How's it feel to know we are ''renter's" of capital?

If I (or a few others) want a "safety net" why should everyone have to pay for it? Is it fair to those that don't wish to use such services? One might argue that there are those that "don't know what is good for them, and so must be coerced into doing so". I say, if they're unaware of something, explain it to them. Simple enough. Let them consider the pros and cons, then act accordingly.

Of course the people who have already paid into SS, will be exempt from the abolished process. Either that or they can move all their (accumulated capital) into a private system of their choosing. This has nothing to do with bad parent's scam on partial privatization.

Our bad parent's cannot ever touch that money or make policy with private institutions that hold said monies, and vice versa. This is a (must)! This is "all or nothing", and I feel one of the first steps down a "long hard road" that will stop the government from "laundering" the private sectors capital, and restore to us the liberty our founding father's had envisioned. For those who don't know it yet. This gov of ours, must be drastically reduced. It has become the state. It has become our country. It has turned America into a "Statist Business", and ("we the people" are it's employees)...

This is something I call: relativist ideological secularism. I see this as the key to the U.S.'s new false Christianity...
http://www.politicalcrossfire.com/forum ... highlight=

[Stuart Mackey]

In my subjective system of education, electives are the primary area to develop a child's natural abilities.snip

Who or what are you replying to?
A cut and paste from another site does not constitute an argument, rather an appeal to authority and is a logical fallacy.

[Plekhanov]

I never said I agreed with everything Jefferson did or said. I said I was a Jeffersonian free marketeer. The man had slaves for godsakes. The compulsory education system in the U.S. is a Prussian installed communist one. A society will always do collective things as it's only natural. I never contradicted myself at all.

Jefferson believed a state education system was essential for both the market economy and democracy to flourish and devoted considerable time and energy at various stages in his life to the cause of state education, you cannot credibly claim to be a Jeffersonian marketer whilst simultaneously claiming that state education is communist.

Of course it is rather silly of me to expect something who believes state education to be inherently communist, despite the fact that it’s not compulsory and there any many alternatives freely available, to make any credible claims at all.

I said: I was a Jeffersonian free marketeer. I believe in his basic principles and not all of them. That does not negate me being a Jeffersonian. I, nor you, have to follow to the letter, anyones past ideas, and can still claim them to be, a role model if you will, in your life.

You don’t have to follow every word he ever wrote but if you believe that a major personal interest and public policy aim of his is inherently evil then you are not a Jeffersonian.

He was also a man of the world, and real Republican. The father of the Republic party, and he wanted more than nothing to do with organized religion. He orchestrated the Louisiana purchase, and did so in a wholly peaceful manner. If that same purchase would to take place in preset day America then it would have been an all out bloody imperialistic war.

Well that was relevant

It is, in fact, compulsory and I provided the factual information to back that up. A cookie cutter system is not conducive to individual: needs, skills, growth, and talents. You chose to ignore the links. Whether you decide to go through public, home, or private (if you can afford it), it's a mandatory process.

So your definition ‘state education’ includes “public, home, or private” you are fucking cracked

[EugenicHegemony]

This is my theory on controlling and manipulating the citizenry. You can all make all the jokes you want. My theory makes perfect senes to me.

"relativist ideological secularism"

Many people see secular, and say, wait I thought there was a theocratic movement in America now. You seem to think so yourself. That's really not the case, and I will explain why.

It's simple. Fascism is all encompassing. There isn't anything that's not controlled in this system of rule.

Politics, economics, and culture are separate, RIGHT?

In Fascist, Nazi, and Stalinist systems they are all one. They are all one now in America. Our politics, culture, and economy are all controlled, and manipulated by this Gov installation. Better men than I know this to be true, and see this movement for what it is. It has been here for a very long time, longer than I would care to admit. It has taken the scrutiny of this current admin for many people to finally "SEE" this for what it is.

We now have a strong pull towards moral relativist ethics in America, under the guise of a traditional Christian nation. Bringing back a spiritually collectivized fatherland that never existed, using secular Christianity. It isn't we the people that manufactured this, or even know it's happening to them. Mussolini/Mazzini~"Fascism is a religion. The twentieth century will be known in history as the century of Fascism".

It's a false belief with no spiritual foundation other than what is sold to the people as moral, right, and righteous. Molding a Utopia that is not real, and a complete illusion, while manipulating everyone with programmed religion that the nation will accept. I call BC, before "COERCION"!! A statist euphemism of mine, and I'm sure other's who are also awake.

It's called a religious transformation. A man by the name of Mazzini during Mussolini's reign invented this very system. I happen to think he just used it, and did not invent it, but there is some contention on this matter. He saw how he could take the catholic church, and turn it into a secular religion ruled by the state, using crafted planned propaganda.

There has been a false right wing movement that has settled into our lives. The same type of Neo right movement that elected Mussolini, and Hitler. The DNVP used the socialist platform, much like the Gov installed pubs/dems use each other in America now. The original Republic party movement in the 1800's in America were not these false right wing groups of the 1930's. I'm sure you already knew this.

The thing is fascists's use any party, and they have no allegiance whatsoever. What ever the people of the nation will accept at the time is what they will use. This has gone back, and forth in the U.S since the 1930's between both corporatist parties. The Democrats, and the Republicans. Every 4 years we all go through the motions, and nothing changes but the mascot. Are there shifts, you bet, nothing substantial, we still are not a Capitalist society no matter which red/blue sockpuppet reigns.

A Moral relativist says there is no truth only what they believe or say is moral. Nothing can be proven, and that's the way they like it. Moral saint's and devils are one, and neither can be distinguished, as that's the plan. Their own propagated beliefs become yours, but you don't know their true underlying belief, just the relative nature of their words forming your new installed beliefs. Silkheat, and I had discussed this in a PM, and I enjoyed that conversation immensely.

It is an ideology of massive control, and sophisticated modern fascist rule. I don't know if you know this but fascism came to America before Hitler was even defeated. The American Review praised Mussolini, and Hitler in the 1930's .They praised them for fascism, not socialism which was the lie that was sold to the people in both countries. Just as democracy/a free/fair market/capitalism was/is "sold" to we the people.

[EugenicHegemony]

In my subjective system of education, electives are the primary area to develop a child's natural abilities.snip

Who or what are you replying to?
A cut and paste from another site does not constitute an argument, rather an appeal to authority and is a logical fallacy.

It's my writing and is no cut & paste.

[Stuart Mackey]

In my subjective system of education, electives are the primary area to develop a child's natural abilities.snip

Who or what are you replying to?
A cut and paste from another site does not constitute an argument, rather an appeal to authority and is a logical fallacy.

It's my writing and is no cut & paste.

Uh huh, but who are you replying to? or are you deliberatly spamming? It would not surprise me, as you have allready admitted to trolling.

[EugenicHegemony]

Jefferson believed a state education system was essential for both the market economy and democracy to flourish and devoted considerable time and energy at various stages in his life to the cause of state education, you cannot credibly claim to be a Jeffersonian marketer whilst simultaneously claiming that state education is communist.

Of course it is rather silly of me to expect something who believes state education to be inherently communist, despite the fact that it’s not compulsory and there any many alternatives freely available, to make any credible claims at all.

I said: I was a Jeffersonian free marketeer. I believe in his basic principles and not all of them. That does not negate me being a Jeffersonian. I, nor you, have to follow to the letter, anyones past ideas, and can still claim them to be, a role model if you will, in your life.

You don’t have to follow every word he ever wrote but if you believe that a major personal interest and public policy aim of his is inherently evil then you are not a Jeffersonian.


-----That's absurd, and I don't know many people that believe public policy aims of either pupet party, yet, they call themselves a Democrat or Republican. I call myself a Jeffersonain for the reasons I have given and posted in that other poll that these dicks locked...

He was also a man of the world, and real Republican. The father of the Republic party, and he wanted more than nothing to do with organized religion. He orchestrated the Louisiana purchase, and did so in a wholly peaceful manner. If that same purchase would to take place in preset day America then it would have been an all out bloody imperialistic war.

Well that was relevant


-----Whay wasn't it relevant. It was intelligent peacefull foreign policy that worked. You're a dick.

It is, in fact, compulsory and I provided the factual information to back that up. A cookie cutter system is not conducive to individual: needs, skills, growth, and talents. You chose to ignore the links. Whether you decide to go through public, home, or private (if you can afford it), it's a mandatory process.

So your definition ‘state education’ includes “public, home, or private” you are fucking cracked

------They all must meet the compulsory requirements of the state, and it doesn't matter who is teaching them...

[Stuart Mackey]

This is my theory on controlling and manipulating the citizenry. You can all make all the jokes you want. My theory makes perfect senes to me.

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Ahh, but you see, if you cannot convince other people of the worth of your ideas you are pissing into the wind. And you have yet to post anything that is worth anything more than a joke.

[EugenicHegemony]

Who or what are you replying to?
A cut and paste from another site does not constitute an argument, rather an appeal to authority and is a logical fallacy.

It's my writing and is no cut & paste.

Uh huh, but who are you replying to? or are you deliberatly spamming? It would not surprise me, as you have allready admitted to trolling.

Everyone at once.

[EugenicHegemony]

This is my theory on controlling and manipulating the citizenry. You can all make all the jokes you want. My theory makes perfect senes to me.

snip

Ahh, but you see, if you cannot convince other people of the worth of your ideas you are pissing into the wind. And you have yet to post anything that is worth anything more than a joke.

That's your opinion and you're entitled to it.

[EugenicHegemony]

This is my theory on controlling and manipulating the citizenry. You can all make all the jokes you want. My theory makes perfect senes to me.

snip

Ahh, but you see, if you cannot convince other people of the worth of your ideas you are pissing into the wind. And you have yet to post anything that is worth anything more than a joke.

That's your opinion and you're entitled to it.

You're a fucking status quo joke...I mean joe.

[Stuart Mackey]

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"relativist ideological secularism"

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They praised them for fascism, not socialism which was the lie that was sold to the people in both countries. Just as democracy/a free/fair market/capitalism was/is "sold" to we the people.

I will now address your post. You will notice how I have snipped almost all of it {I left a little bit so others will know what I am replying to, please take note} because it is not an argument. You have posted nothing more than unsupported opinion and appeals to others authority; This is intelectually dishonest.

[Stuart Mackey]

It's my writing and is no cut & paste.

Uh huh, but who are you replying to? or are you deliberatly spamming? It would not surprise me, as you have allready admitted to trolling.

Everyone at once.

Excellent, an admission of spamming.

[EugenicHegemony]

I should say: Nationalized Economic Despotism.

And you think this is related to the US?
How is the US economy owned by one person who is also the state?

It's how I found your tiger lilly...

WTF?

I never said owned by one person. It's more of a two party first at the gate duopoly plutocracy. Despotism does not necessarily mean one person.

[Stuart Mackey]

This is my theory on controlling and manipulating the citizenry. You can all make all the jokes you want. My theory makes perfect senes to me.

snip

Ahh, but you see, if you cannot convince other people of the worth of your ideas you are pissing into the wind. And you have yet to post anything that is worth anything more than a joke.

That's your opinion and you're entitled to it.

No, that is a statement of fact. Moreover do you know what a theory is?

[Stuart Mackey]

Ahh, but you see, if you cannot convince other people of the worth of your ideas you are pissing into the wind. And you have yet to post anything that is worth anything more than a joke.

That's your opinion and you're entitled to it.

You're a fucking status quo joke...I mean joe.

Ok, so now you are insulting yourself? or do you not know how to yse the quote functions?

[EugenicHegemony]

des·pot·ism P Pronunciation Key (dsp-tzm)
n.
Rule by or as if by a despot; absolute power or authority.
The actions of a despot; tyranny.
A government or political system in which the ruler exercises absolute power: “Kerensky has a place in history, of a brief interlude between despotisms” (William Safire).
A state so ruled.

The power of the presedency is used, and that is the reality. I call them executive check signer's, and that's what they are. They now do as they're told, and this goes for all of them or else they wouldn't be in the White House.

[EugenicHegemony]

Ahh, but you see, if you cannot convince other people of the worth of your ideas you are pissing into the wind. And you have yet to post anything that is worth anything more than a joke.

That's your opinion and you're entitled to it.

No, that is a statement of fact. Moreover do you know what a theory is?

It's your subjective opinion and no fact. Of course I know what theory is you self righteous condescending fuck.

[Stuart Mackey]

I should say: Nationalized Economic Despotism.

And you think this is related to the US?
How is the US economy owned by one person who is also the state?

It's how I found your tiger lilly...

WTF?

I never said owned by one person.

Yes, you did; Despotism is all about one person.

It's more of a two party first at the gate duopoly plutocracy. Despotism does not necessarily mean one person.

Yep, you do not even know what despotism means. But google is my freind, and because I am feeling especially kind tonight, I shall give you a hint:

despotism
One entry found for despotism.
Main Entry: des·po·tism
Pronunciation: 'des-p&-"ti-z&m
Function: noun
1 a : rule by a despot b : despotic exercise of power
2 a : a system of government in which the ruler has unlimited power : ABSOLUTISM b : a despotic state

from a handy online dictionary

[EugenicHegemony]

And you think this is related to the US?
How is the US economy owned by one person who is also the state?
WTF?

I never said owned by one person.

Yes, you did; Despotism is all about one person.


----Not in the plutocratic sense.

It's more of a two party first at the gate duopoly plutocracy. Despotism does not necessarily mean one person.

Yep, you do not even know what despotism means. But google is my freind, and because I am feeling especially kind tonight, I shall give you a hint:

despotism
One entry found for despotism.
Main Entry: des·po·tism
Pronunciation: 'des-p&-"ti-z&m
Function: noun
1 a : rule by a despot b : despotic exercise of power
2 a : a system of government in which the ruler has unlimited power : ABSOLUTISM b : a despotic state


----Plutocratic despotic rule. You're equivocating on a very simple terminology, and you're just doing it to be a dick. I already explained how the president is now the check signer who does as he's told. His power is used in a despotic fashion.

from a handy online dictionary

[Stuart Mackey]

That's your opinion and you're entitled to it.

No, that is a statement of fact. Moreover do you know what a theory is?

It's your subjective opinion and no fact.

Ohh, but you see, it is a statement of fact: For a political idea to work then there has to be political support for it.

Of course I know what theory is you self righteous condescending fuck.

Really? care to show us?

[EugenicHegemony]

No, that is a statement of fact. Moreover do you know what a theory is?

It's your subjective opinion and no fact.

Ohh, but you see, it is a statement of fact: For a political idea to work then there has to be political support for it.


Politics is about coercion, and I am not talking about that. Relativist ideological secularism is a theory that you don't care for, and that's fine. Your statement is no more fact than mine.

Of course I know what theory is you self righteous condescending fuck.

Really? care to show us?


-----Care to show you what? I posted one oneof my theories, and you ignored it. You want to be a dick, then fine, be one.

[EugenicHegemony]

I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything, and none here care to listen to anything I have to say anyway.

[Stuart Mackey]

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----Plutocratic despotic rule. You're equivocating on a very simple terminology, and you're just doing it to be a dick. I already explained how the president is now the check signer who does as he's told. His power is used in a despotic fashion.

Excuse me? Are you saying that a dictionary is wrong about the meaning of this word? care to post evidence of this? You wont be able to, but I suspect that you will try to shift the goal posts again.

How dishonest.

Now if you were to say that GWB was one side of a elected dictatorship in a two party system, I might let you off, but you just were not smart enought t work that out.