I found something that the NX-01 Enterprise can beat

[Crossover_Maniac]

Okay folks, I've been around stardestroyer.net and Comic Book Resources Forums and only seen one, NX-01 vs. fight. That's because, let face it, it's a wussy ship. But I believe I found something it can beat. It's the Peacekeeper command carrier. You're all saying to yourselves, "are you out of your @#@%$ mind?" No, I'm not. Let's look at the NX-01. Phase cannons has an energy output of 500 gigajoules (.12 kilotons) per shot with a duration of 1-2 seconds. It also survived a .25 kiloton explosion without polarizing thier hull plating which increases the hull strength several times. Now, let's look at the Peacekeeper command carrier. The command carrier uses a weapon known as the frag cannon. The frag cannon has a range of 45 metras. I did a search on the net and found a metra to be the equivalent to a mile or kilometer. At the most, it's range is just over 45 miles. And how much is the yield of a frag cannon shot? It can't be much, and I'll tell you why. From Farscape E-Zine:

Chakan Oil: Made from tannot root, it fuels all Peacekeeper weapons. Aeryn promised to teach the people on Sykar how to make chakan oil so they could get free from Peacekeeper rule. Thank God It’s Friday, Again

That's right folks, the advanced spacefaring, interstellar military force known as the Peacekeepers uses the equivalent to Greek fire for their primary weapon. Unless they're pumping that crap out by the dozens of ton per shot, it wouldn't come close to matching even Enterprise NX-01's phase cannons. Also, the frag cannons are fixed cannons like the old cannons in the wooden ships of long ago. Where as the NX-01's phase cannon is on a moving turrent. This gives it superior firing arch over the Command Carrier. Also, since the NX-01 can withstand a tactical nuke on its hull without it being polarized, a chemical explosion will do little to it.

[Zaku-chan]

That's right folks, the advanced spacefaring, interstellar military force known as the Peacekeepers uses the equivalent to Greek fire for their primary weapon. Unless they're pumping that crap out by the dozens of ton per shot, it wouldn't come close to matching even Enterprise NX-01's phase cannons.

But can the phase cannons damage the carrier?

Also, the frag cannons are fixed cannons like the old cannons in the wooden ships of long ago. Where as the NX-01's phase cannon is on a moving turrent. This gives it superior firing arch over the Command Carrier. Also, since the NX-01 can withstand a tactical nuke on its hull without it being polarized, a chemical explosion will do little to it.

Wrong. Frag cannons are mounted on rail-like bases, and can slide from the bow of the ship to the stern, giving them a huge field of fire.

[Shinova]

Blasters use blaster gas. Does that make them weak? No. Hence, just cause a gun uses shotgun oil doesn't make them weak.


Second, there's way too little info on Peacekeeper capabilities to make any kind of judgement here. Also someone compared the Prowler on-screen to a command carrier on-screen and came up with a length of 6km for the command carrier. That's pretty impressive for a standard capship.

[Shinova]

Also the oil is used to power Peacekeeper weapons, but the result is clearly an energy blast (burnt holes, damage to various shields, etc...)

[Zaku-chan]

Blasters use blaster gas. Does that make them weak? No. Hence, just cause a gun uses shotgun oil doesn't make them weak.

A very good point, Shinova. I cant believe I missed this. The stuff could be explosive beyond our wildest dreams. You need calcs to prove it's weak.

[Sea Skimmer]

NX-1 should be able to combat Soviet kamikaze satellites with a fair degree of success

[Zaku-chan]

Oh, and just because the stuff FUELS the weapon, that doesn't mean it IS the weapon.

[Crossover_Maniac]

Also, the frag cannons are fixed cannons like the old cannons in the wooden ships of long ago. Where as the NX-01's phase cannon is on a moving turrent. This gives it superior firing arch over the Command Carrier. Also, since the NX-01 can withstand a tactical nuke on its hull without it being polarized, a chemical explosion will do little to it.

Wrong. Frag cannons are mounted on rail-like bases, and can slide from the bow of the ship to the stern, giving them a huge field of fire.

Oops! Sorry about that. It's been while since I watched Farscape.

[Crossover_Maniac]

Blasters use blaster gas. Does that make them weak?

The blaster gas isn't generating its power by a chemical reaction. The frag cannons are.

No. Hence, just cause a gun uses shotgun oil doesn't make them weak.

It does compared to a tactical nuke. And that's what's being generated by the NX-01 phase cannons.

[Crossover_Maniac]

Oh, and just because the stuff FUELS the weapon, that doesn't mean it IS the weapon.

It does show its source of energy is small compared to most sci-fi vessels. Chemical reaction<<nuclear reactions

[Ender]

Crossover, in Farscape Luxon Fightercraft carry weapons that can vape a levithan over 400 meters (low end) long. The peacekeepers beat them down.

Your argument here is a joke. Besides, if you really want something the NX can win against, Ender's game ships should go down, provided that the NX can keep away from the LD missiles

[Crossover_Maniac]

Crossover, in Farscape Luxon Fightercraft carry weapons that can vape a levithan over 400 meters (low end) long. The peacekeepers beat them down.

Let me get this straight. A luxon fighter can vape a levithan and let a Command Carrier can't do the same with its primary weapons.

[Zaku-chan]

Let me get this straight. A luxon fighter can vape a levithan and let a Command Carrier can't do the same with its primary weapons.

But AFAIK, we've never seen a Leviathan take a direct hit from a Command Carrier. Close calls, yes, but never a direct hit.

[NecronLord]

IDIOT

Frag cannons are point defense. The CC is exactly what it says on the tin...

A COMMAND CARRIER

If you are at all interested a peacekeeper anti-leviathan missile can kill a leviathan from well beyond visual range and track it an infinate distance. The PKs have an experimental weapon that disintigrates all non-organic materials, and that was over a series ago. I'd like to see the NX-01 stand up to that

[kojikun]

Also, command carriers have shields which can hold up seriously against various kinds of attack. But we know too little about ANYTHING in Farscape to really judge much more then this debate. Theres never any data on how powerful a given weapon is, etc. Its not like Trek or Wars, theres no asteroid blasting that can rate something at a given power.

[Crossover_Maniac]

IDIOT

Jackass

Frag cannons are point defense. The CC is exactly what it says on the tin...

From Farscape.org:

Frag cannon are a large-scale weapon mounted on larger ships. Peacekeeper command carriers carry them in at least four triple-mounts. The carrier-based weapons have a range of 45 metras.

Doesn't sound like frag cannons are just the point defense systems of the ship. More like their main weapons.

A COMMAND CARRIER

If you are at all interested a peacekeeper anti-leviathan missile can kill a leviathan from well beyond visual range and track it an infinate distance.

And let Moya is still alive today. Must not be too effective.

The PKs have an experimental weapon that disintigrates all non-organic materials, and that was over a series ago. I'd like to see the NX-01 stand up to that

1). Are you falling into the technobabble AND organic weapon bug fallacies? I thought that wasn't allow here on this messageboard. Must be because it can be used against a Star Trek ship.

2). The command carrier can only use a guided missile to kill anything beyond 45 metras (the equivalent to a kilometer in the Farscape-verse). So, their aim really sucks.

3). Is this some sort of death ray or bomb that magically disintegrates non-organic matter?

[Crossover_Maniac]

Let me get this straight. A luxon fighter can vape a levithan and let a Command Carrier can't do the same with its primary weapons.

But AFAIK, we've never seen a Leviathan take a direct hit from a Command Carrier. Close calls, yes, but never a direct hit.

So you're saying a command carrier has a lousy aim?

[Zaku-chan]

2). The command carrier can only use a guided missile to kill anything beyond 45 metras (the equivalent to a kilometer in the Farscape-verse). So, their aim really sucks.

Just pointing out:

Just because the frag cannons have a range of 45 metras doesn't mean that's the missile's range.

[NecronLord]

Frag cannons are point defense. The CC is exactly what it says on the tin...

From Farscape.org:

Frag cannon are a large-scale weapon mounted on larger ships. Peacekeeper command carriers carry them in at least four triple-mounts. The carrier-based weapons have a range of 45 metras.

Doesn't sound like frag cannons are just the point defense systems of the ship. More like their main weapons.

Have you actually seen the show?

Nobody associated with the Farscape Online Encyclopaedia is in any way connected to The Jim Henson Company Inc or any other company or organisation connected with the creation of Farscape.

That is a fan site. The fact that the frag cannons are
A)Designed for a large field of fire
B)Fire high velocity fragmentation (hence the name) ammunition
C)Have a short range

A COMMAND CARRIER

If you are at all interested a peacekeeper anti-leviathan missile can kill a leviathan from well beyond visual range and track it an infinate distance.

And let Moya is still alive today. Must not be too effective.

You clearly have not watched the show, Due to scorpius' telling them how it works they managed to temporeriley shut moya down and get the missile to lock onto a decoy.

The PKs have an experimental weapon that disintigrates all non-organic materials, and that was over a series ago. I'd like to see the NX-01 stand up to that

1). Are you falling into the technobabble AND organic weapon bug fallacies? I thought that wasn't allow here on this messageboard. Must be because it can be used against a Star Trek ship.

We saw the results of its testing on a transport pod with several enemy species aboard. It is not an orgainc weapon, it is a weapon that destroys metals...

2). The command carrier can only use a guided missile to kill anything beyond 45 metras (the equivalent to a kilometer in the Farscape-verse). So, their aim really sucks.

And this is from, oh i see you pulled it out of your arse.

3). Is this some sort of death ray or bomb that magically disintegrates non-organic matter?

we only saw the results of it's testing

[NecronLord]

Let me get this straight. A luxon fighter can vape a levithan and let a Command Carrier can't do the same with its primary weapons.

But AFAIK, we've never seen a Leviathan take a direct hit from a Command Carrier. Close calls, yes, but never a direct hit.

So you're saying a command carrier has a lousy aim?

No Moya has character sheilds

[Kuja]

But AFAIK, we've never seen a Leviathan take a direct hit from a Command Carrier. Close calls, yes, but never a direct hit.

So you're saying a command carrier has a lousy aim?

No Moya has character sheilds

Or because they want the crew ALIVE, especially after Scorpuis learns about the (supposed) WH tech in Crichton's head.

[NecronLord]

So you're saying a command carrier has a lousy aim?

No Moya has character sheilds

Or because they want the crew ALIVE, especially after Scorpuis learns about the (supposed) WH tech in Crichton's head.

I believe he is refering to the bit in the pilot ep where Crais looses it and tries to shoot moya down himself. (Though how many fleet captains are experienced gunners?)

[Crossover_Maniac]

That is a fan site. The fact that the frag cannons are
A)Designed for a large field of fire
B)Fire high velocity fragmentation (hence the name) ammunition
C)Have a short range

A). So are you saying that a capital ship's main weapons should have a short field of fire?

B). Glorious Hertiage-class cruiser (Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda), uses projectile weapons as their main weapon (smart missiles).

C).Crais: I want that leviathan destroyed. It has onboard the man who killed my brother.

PK flunky: But sir, it's out of the range of our frag cannons

Crais: Oh, well. Even, though the frag cannons are just our point defense weapons, we won't use our main weapon with the longer range and higher yields.

Does that make any sense to you.

A COMMAND CARRIER

If you are at all interested a peacekeeper anti-leviathan missile can kill a leviathan from well beyond visual range and track it an infinate distance.

And let Moya is still alive today. Must not be too effective.

You clearly have not watched the show, Due to scorpius' telling them how it works they managed to temporeriley shut moya down and get the missile to lock onto a decoy.

Point conceaded.

The PKs have an experimental weapon that disintigrates all non-organic materials, and that was over a series ago. I'd like to see the NX-01 stand up to that

1). Are you falling into the technobabble AND organic weapon bug fallacies? I thought that wasn't allow here on this messageboard. Must be because it can be used against a Star Trek ship.

We saw the results of its testing on a transport pod with several enemy species aboard. It is not an orgainc weapon, it is a weapon that destroys metals...

Which still deploys techobabble to work AND emphases the advantages of organic tech to the inferior inorganic tech. I thought that metallic ships were suppose to be more durable than organic ships.

2). The command carrier can only use a guided missile to kill anything beyond 45 metras (the equivalent to a kilometer in the Farscape-verse). So, their aim really sucks.

And this is from, oh i see you pulled it out of your arse.

Have you mentioned any other weapon onboard the CC? If there is, tell me. I wouldn't want to think they have something better than Greek fire for ship-to-ship combat.

3). Is this some sort of death ray or bomb that magically disintegrates non-organic matter?

we only saw the results of it's testing

You only saw the results of its testing? That's it. Let me asked you this, was this at a PK base or was the testing done on a CC? Can this be mounted on a ship? You don't even know if the nature of the weapon, let alone it's delivery system. Unless you have some definite information about the PK anti-metal weapon, it's a non-issue.

[NecronLord]

That is a fan site. The fact that the frag cannons are
A)Designed for a large field of fire
B)Fire high velocity fragmentation (hence the name) ammunition
C)Have a short range

A). So are you saying that a capital ship's main weapons should have a short field of fire?

B). Glorious Hertiage-class cruiser (Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda), uses projectile weapons as their main weapon (smart missiles).

C).Crais: I want that leviathan destroyed. It has onboard the man who killed my brother.

PK flunky: But sir, it's out of the range of our frag cannons

Crais: Oh, well. Even, though the frag cannons are just our point defense weapons, we won't use our main weapon with the longer range and higher yields.

Does that make any sense to you.

Crais was NUTS!
Watch the later episodes, he really has lost it...

And let Moya is still alive today. Must not be too effective.

You clearly have not watched the show, Due to scorpius' telling them how it works they managed to temporeriley shut moya down and get the missile to lock onto a decoy.

Point conceaded.

1). Are you falling into the technobabble AND organic weapon bug fallacies? I thought that wasn't allow here on this messageboard. Must be because it can be used against a Star Trek ship.

We saw the results of its testing on a transport pod with several enemy species aboard. It is not an orgainc weapon, it is a weapon that destroys metals...

Which still deploys techobabble to work AND emphases the advantages of organic tech to the inferior inorganic tech. I thought that metallic ships were suppose to be more durable than organic ships.

Actually it doesn't organic materials are still affected as they do contain metal compunds, they are just not affected as quickly. They are, hence why all the PK warships (Talyn was an experiment in geneengineering) are made of metals, and the scarran ships as well.

2). The command carrier can only use a guided missile to kill anything beyond 45 metras (the equivalent to a kilometer in the Farscape-verse). So, their aim really sucks.

And this is from, oh i see you pulled it out of your arse.

Have you mentioned any other weapon onboard the CC? If there is, tell me. I wouldn't want to think they have something better than Greek fire for ship-to-ship combat.

Tibanna gas?

we only saw the results of it's testing

You only saw the results of its testing? That's it. Let me asked you this, was this at a PK base or was the testing done on a CC? Can this be mounted on a ship? You don't even know if the nature of the weapon, let alone it's delivery system. Unless you have some definite information about the PK anti-metal weapon, it's a non-issue.

It was tested sucessfully by scorpius' command carrier in the uncharted territories against various enemy species (scarran hynerian nebari etc.) As Scorpius' research post had been destroyed a long time ago at this point, yes, it was the command carrier.

[Crossover_Maniac]

Crais was NUTS!
Watch the later episodes, he really has lost it...
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You're confusing 'insane' with 'stupid'. If Crais has something better weapon at his disposal, he wouldn't have hestitated to use it to kill Crichton.

Tibanna gas?

Tibanna gas is used to induce a lasing effect in turbolasers, not as a conbustionable fuel.