The MOST Powerful Sci-Fi Universe?

Kosh_The_Vorlon · Post by **Kosh_The_Vorlon** » 2002-07-18 01:54pm

The Jjaro or the Wyr...Wyrk..Dang, where is RalphNumbers when I need him?

Anyway, the Jjaro and the Living Improbability Patterns from the Marathon series would make the Culture their whipping boys..

Kosh_The_Vorlon · Post by **Kosh_The_Vorlon** » 2002-07-18 01:55pm

David wrote:The world of Myth; because they can create worlds and then enter into them, controlling their every aspect.

Myst..The world of Myst..

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2002-07-19 06:35am

adam warlock wrote:
The Silver Surfer's universe. Galactus is a bad-ass dude.
though theyre still peanuts when compared against the living tribunal..

Who are these Living Tribunal guys??

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2002-07-19 12:32pm

I stick by my Culture and Timelords... but the Krikkits and their nova bomb along with the Heart of Gold are the most owerful things ever seen.

Graeme Dice · Post by **Graeme Dice** » 2002-07-19 02:13pm

I'll have to go with Iceberg on this one. The computer has the ability to reduce entropy to zero on a universal scale.

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2002-07-22 09:23am

Lensman after Children of the Lens

Rathark · Post by **Rathark** » 2002-07-29 01:47am

It's been a while since I last watched Dr Who. Didn't the Sontarans successfully invade Gallifrey at once stage? Were they tipped off by a traitorous Timelord? This would imply that the Sontarans are almost as advanced as the Timelords themselves, with their main advantages being military experience and opportunism.

Were the Daleks and Cybermen a serious threat to the Timelords, or just to the Doctor?

In "The Pyramids of Mars", the Doctor was totally freaked out by the power of Suhtek. He said that once Suhtek is released, there wouldn't be a speck in the Galaxy that could stop him (or something to that effect). Suhtek's race, the Osirians (basically the Egyptian gods) sound like close rivals or even superiors to the Timelords. Could they have specialised in psionic powers just as the Timelords specialised in time travel?

There seemed to be a handful of other beings more powerful than the Timelords, notably the White and Black Guardians of Time.

I also seem to recall an episode where an ancient society of separatist Timelords reveal that they have been holding the universe together with their mathematical equations. The Master distracts them, and a huge chunk of the universe disappears. These beings (I think they lived in a city called Logopolis) would surely qualify as among TV SF's most powerful races.

Rathark · Post by **Rathark** » 2002-07-29 01:58am

There is a revelation at the end of Carl Sagan's novel "Contact" ....

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... in which the laws of mathematics themselves are proven to be of intelligent design. This would have to be one of the few convincing portrayals of God in a science fiction novel.

Also, the wormhole builders were implied to be inconcievably godlike, not even fully understood by the eons-old Caretakers who have been using the wormholes since long after the Builders had vanished. Meanwhile, the Caretakers (one disguises itself as Jodie Foster's Dad in the movie, Kosh-style) are building new galaxies and closing off sections of the universe. While not the most powerful beings ever portrayed, the Caretakers would certainly intimidate B5's First Ones - or at least they would resemble the First Ones with a bit more experience, expansion and numbers.

Mechwolf · Post by **Mechwolf** » 2002-07-29 02:55am

The Proto-culture, along with their Zentradi warriors are pretty damn powerful. And the Zentradi are nearly universe wide in their military reach. Zentradi's most common ships are 3,000m & 4,000m in length, with fire power that rivals, & in some cases are more powerful than, SW ships.

drifter god · Post by **drifter god** » 2002-07-29 03:05am

yes i would have to agree, the macross universe pretty damn powerful, they might not have the numbers that the empire has, but i think any zentradi ship could go toe to toe with an isd and evn win

Mechwolf · Post by **Mechwolf** » 2002-07-29 03:41am

drifter god Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2002 2:05 am Post subject:

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yes i would have to agree, the macross universe pretty damn powerful, they might not have the numbers that the empire has, but i think any zentradi ship could go toe to toe with an isd and evn win

You have that backwards. The Galactic Empire only span sa single galaxy with 100s of 1,000s of ships.
The Zentradi spans nearly the entire universe, with Trillions of warships.

Gil Hamilton · Post by **Gil Hamilton** » 2002-07-29 04:06am

drifter god wrote:yes i would have to agree, the macross universe pretty damn powerful, they might not have the numbers that the empire has, but i think any zentradi ship could go toe to toe with an isd and evn win

..."might not have the numbers that the Empire has"? Are you joking? Zentraedi scout fleets contain millions of capital ships.

drifter god · Post by **drifter god** » 2002-07-29 04:45am

my bad, i was thinkin about the macross II movie when i posted, and was thinkin of the earths forces only, in that case, yes, the zentradi pobably even outnumber the the empire too.

LordShaithis · Post by **LordShaithis** » 2002-07-29 08:05am

I posted this on ASVS a long time ago, after some slob decided to introduce the group to whatever hideously overpowered (and laughably obscure) set of books he was reading.

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A -- Okay, since we all know the Empire would beat the shit out of the
Federation, I've decided to bring in a new opponent. The Organization.

B -- The who? I've never heard of them before.

A -- Illiterate peon! The Organization is the central government in
Heinlein Q. Asimov's "Tales of Pnork" series!

B -- Um, okay. So what can they do?

A -- Ah, they're really powerful! Even their garbage scows can blow up
planets, as evidenced by this quote from page 546: "Even a garbage scow
has Atomo-Uranium blasts capable of blowing up planets!"

B -- Uh... So what happened to them?

A -- Well, they all died in the Garbage Scow War of 2525. But the New
Organization in the "Return of Pnork" series is even more powerful
anyway. In RoP, a cropduster armed with a bucket of lard can blow up a
galaxy. Clearly the Empire would lose badly.

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2002-07-29 02:53pm

the zentraedi have numbers, but their technology is laughable in comparison to most of the other universes being discussed. They have no force field technology, an entire fleet of their ships didn't even render the earth uninhabitable, and they have no way to improve themselves technologically. They are very capable in their own playing field, but have no place in a this discussion.

Darth_Shinji · Post by **Darth_Shinji** » 2002-07-29 04:22pm

consequences wrote:the zentraedi have numbers, but their technology is laughable in comparison to most of the other universes being discussed. They have no force field technology, an entire fleet of their ships didn't even render the earth uninhabitable, and they have no way to improve themselves technologically. They are very capable in their own playing field, but have no place in a this discussion.

Not true at all. The zentradi (expecailly macross) are extreamly powerful. People have done calcs on the reflex cannon of the Macross that puts it at least 1.2 tts. During the course of the series, they render one earth like planet unihabitale with 27 shots, and destroy another with a two salvo's. There ships are tough, easly taking nukes in one episode. And while it is debated thier ships might also self-repair to a limited degree. And people here have been talking about thier creators the proto-culture or the Macross universe in general. Both of these have shields. And the humans are still progressing tech wise. Whiler I don't see the Macross universe as the most powerful universe out thier. Its damn high.

P.S as far as the attack on earth goes, there are different explanations as to why it wasn't as strong as the other planetary attacks.

Gil Hamilton · Post by **Gil Hamilton** » 2002-07-29 05:03pm

Not that anyone respects Robotech, of course, by there was a funny scene with the Zentraedi when they hyperspaced in.
Zentraedi Soldier: "Hah! We only hit four ships while exiting hyperspace! Pay up!" (or something like that)

Makes me laugh every time.

Of course, Zentraedi ships don't tend to do well against reflex weaponry, but then again, planets don't do well against reflex weapotry either.

drifter god · Post by **drifter god** » 2002-07-29 07:03pm

and also, the zentradi might not have force field tech. but u.n. spacy does have the pin point barrier system, not to mention the force field that blew up ontario in the original series

Darth_Shinji · Post by **Darth_Shinji** » 2002-07-29 10:03pm

Gil Hamilton wrote:Not that anyone respects Robotech, of course, by there was a funny scene with the Zentraedi when they hyperspaced in.
Zentraedi Soldier: "Hah! We only hit four ships while exiting hyperspace! Pay up!" (or something like that)

Makes me laugh every time.

Of course, Zentraedi ships don't tend to do well against reflex weaponry, but then again, planets don't do well against reflex weapotry either.

I respect robotech. I love it! Even if it did use three different shows.

Shadowhawk · Post by **Shadowhawk** » 2002-07-30 12:52am

The Tenchi OVA-verse.

Two of the main characters are Gods. A third God is seen transporting an entire galaxy as a gift.

Galvatron · Post by **Galvatron** » 2002-07-30 01:42am

drifter god wrote:yes i would have to agree, the macross universe pretty damn powerful, they might not have the numbers that the empire has, but i think any zentradi ship could go toe to toe with an isd and evn win

Zentradi ships don't have shields.

Graeme Dice · Post by **Graeme Dice** » 2002-07-30 12:25pm

GrandAdmiralPrawn wrote:A -- Okay, since we all know the Empire would beat the shit out of the
Federation, I've decided to bring in a new opponent. The Organization.

Bah, the organization is puny. The faction is much more powerful. One of their janitors destroyed an entire universe when he blinked his left eyebrow in the third book.

Rathark · Post by **Rathark** » 2002-07-31 11:07am

Graeme Dice wrote:
GrandAdmiralPrawn wrote:A -- Okay, since we all know the Empire would beat the shit out of the
Federation, I've decided to bring in a new opponent. The Organization.
Bah, the organization is puny. The faction is much more powerful. One of their janitors destroyed an entire universe when he blinked his left eyebrow in the third book.

Oh YEAH!!!????

The Faction have nothing on the Polonium Comprehendium. The Emporer's Adviser's Butler's accountant's personal assistant's uncle's hairdresser's girlfriend's gym master's electrictian's brother's dentist's long lost twin's neighbour's dog had a flea on his back that farted and caused a chain reaction throughout the entire Multiverse, destroying transfinite quantities of entire universes all the way up to the 1,945,754,956,724,946th dimension, which could only be stopped when God Himself stepped down from office in sheer desperation and passed over responsibilities of preserving the Multiverse to some pan-dimensional analog of a computer geek (the correct term is Reality Hacker) who knew someone who knew someone who had a cousin who slept with someone who worshipped something that had a vague awareness of the sheer colossal power of the Emporer of the Polonium Comprehendium's Adviser's Butler's accountant's personal assistant's uncle's hairdresser's girlfriend's gym master's electrictian's brother's dentist's long lost twin's neighbour's dog's 2,873,897th flea.

Silver Paladin · Post by **Silver Paladin** » 2002-08-27 05:25am

Simon H.Johansen wrote: Who are these Living Tribunal guys??

The Living Tribunal is a single being, quite possibly the most powerful character ever constructed. His job is to maintain balance in the myriad of multiverses that is Marvel. He prevents people from getting to powerful (ie. Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet) by stripping them of their powers. He is the judge, jury and executioner for all of Marvel

His power is described as unlimited. He can think of anything, and make it happen. He is beyond the powers of the multiverse (since Eternity is the representative of the Multiverse and TLT is more powerful than Eternity). So even if the entire Multiverse was destroyed, he would still live on and create another one.

He has absolute control of the 6 aspects of our universe. By absolute, I mean even if someone else has power over that aspect, he could choose to stop that person from using it (ie. what he did to Thanos w/ IG...since IG also granted the user powers over the 6 aspects)

Space (manifests itself in being able to be anywhere at anytime)
Time (manifests itself in Time Travel)
Reality (manifests itself in Immortality, since Death is a reality of life)
Power (Raw power)
Mind (Mind control, psychic powers, etc.)
Soul (Never seen this do anything).

So if Culture decides to mess with him, he would snap a finger, and Culture would be erased from Reality (Reality), or go back in Time to kill them before they became technologically advanced (time), destroy their entire universe (power), Mind control them all (Mind), or fold their galaxy away into a pocket universe so they cannot leave it (Space). If I figured out what the hell soul is supposed to do, I guess he could use it also =D.

LMSx · Post by **LMSx** » 2002-08-27 06:05am

Silver Paladin wrote:Who are these Living Tribunal guys?? *snip*

Yet one more reason why I don't read anything DC or Marvel related anymore.

Everything just keeps scaling up and up and up and up and up and up and up, until any super-enemy is counter-acted by an even more powerful person who has control over every single aspect of every single universe.......

Yeesh.