Magic Cards = Rape

defanatic · Post by **defanatic** » 2006-01-31 05:06am

I was told this by a fundie. What the fuck? Does anyone know of any cases of rape directly attributed to Magic Cards, Warhammer, D&D, or any other supernatural games? Or murder?

Zero · Post by **Zero** » 2006-01-31 05:20am

Fundies like to associate strategy games like D&D to occultism, and occultism to all manner of evil things. There's no logical correlation.

WyrdNyrd · Post by **WyrdNyrd** » 2006-01-31 05:21am

No, I don't. But who cares?

It's not up to us to prove it never happened - He's the retard making the claim, it's up to him to prove it.

Try responding with "Hey, didja know that Christianity causes paedophilia, necrophilia, and dandruff? Prove it isn't so!"

Solauren · Post by **Solauren** » 2006-01-31 07:19am

The only possible way magic cards could equal rape is someone playing strip-magic the gathering, or using them as a weapon to knock someone out.

And in that case, there incidental to the occurance.

Glimmervoid · Post by **Glimmervoid** » 2006-01-31 08:10am

Solauren wrote:The only possible way magic cards could equal rape is someone playing strip-magic the gathering, or using them as a weapon to knock someone out.

And in that case, there incidental to the occurance.

What about some weird combination of mind slaver, coupon and gift? You sent the prise as a sexual favour and then mind slave them.

Post by **Lagmonster** » 2006-01-31 08:26am

Important Reminder: Someone who subscribes to the 'invisible beings interact with people' line of thought should not be expected to be all too good at lining up cause and effect.

Post by **Surlethe** » 2006-01-31 09:46am

WyrdNyrd wrote:Try responding with "Hey, didja know that Christianity causes paedophilia, necrophilia, and dandruff? Prove it isn't so!"

You could actually make a case for the first one; point out there is a relatively high incidence of pedophilia in the Catholic priesthood. Then, when he claims Catholics aren't really Christian, respond with, "Well, D&D players who are rapists aren't really D&D players."

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2006-01-31 09:59am

defanatic wrote:I was told this by a fundie. <snip rest>

Did you really have to pursue further?

A fundamentalist as considered in this day and age is a fantatic who only cares of their personal little world, who cares what the real world has to say on subjects.

They are likely to claim too much sunlight causes rape/murder/sin if they were told it in a way in accordance to their beliefs.

WyrdNyrd · Post by **WyrdNyrd** » 2006-01-31 10:30am

Surlethe wrote:
WyrdNyrd wrote:Try responding with "Hey, didja know that Christianity causes paedophilia, necrophilia, and dandruff? Prove it isn't so!"
You could actually make a case for the first one; point out there is a relatively high incidence of pedophilia in the Catholic priesthood. Then, when he claims Catholics aren't really Christian, respond with, "Well, D&D players who are rapists aren't really D&D players."

Actually, the accusation of dandruff is what really carries weight.

My dandruff started at about the same time as my "fundie" period, and I believe that this was no coincidence.

And as we all know, anecdotal evidence trumps systematic investigation every day. And personal experience and belief trumps even anecdotal evidence.

Dooey Jo · Post by **Dooey Jo** » 2006-01-31 10:58am

WyrdNyrd wrote:Try responding with "Hey, didja know that Christianity causes paedophilia, necrophilia, and dandruff? Prove it isn't so!"

But you can actually make a case for all of those.
Paedophilia: Catholic priests and all that.
Necrophilia: Holy Ghosts flying around inseminating helpless young virgins (that's even worse. It's reverse necrophilia!)
Dandruff: Uhh... Well, all those crazy hats the priests wear can't be good for their scalps.

Trytostaydead · Post by **Trytostaydead** » 2006-01-31 11:43am

Zero132132 wrote:Fundies like to associate strategy games like D&D to occultism, and occultism to all manner of evil things. There's no logical correlation.

Slightly off topic, but I was watching A&E and they were talking about a bunch of boys that were accused of killing one of kids' sister and A&E in their dramatic voices says, "They were all deeply immersed into DARK fantasy games like Final Fantasy."

OmegaGuy · Post by **OmegaGuy** » 2006-01-31 12:40pm

Sounds like an FSTDT quote to me

Zac Naloen · Post by **Zac Naloen** » 2006-01-31 12:46pm

Final Fantasty... dark.. *laughs*

I can't take anyone seriously who makes claims like that..

Captain Cyran · Post by **Captain Cyran** » 2006-01-31 01:02pm

Lagmonster wrote:Important Reminder: Someone who subscribes to the 'invisible beings interact with people' line of thought should not be expected to be all too good at lining up cause and effect.

Important Reminder: Not everyone who subscribes to the 'invisible sky pixie' line of thought is a fucking moron.

Anyway, It's a fundie, and fundies are known for their rabidly tossing anything they don't like, don't understand, or if they just feel likethrowing something into the "It's evil and if you do it you'll go to hell" barrel. One of my acquantances (who is somewhat of a faithful christian) got into the game and he told us his mother-in-law yelled at him about how it's a satanic game blah blah blah. It has to do with the whole idea of summoning a demonic creature, it's just some people can't manage to realize that they're just some cards (And they worry about video gamers

).

As for Strip Magic... that is an interesting idea.

Post by **Lagmonster** » 2006-01-31 01:54pm

Captain Cyran wrote:
Lagmonster wrote:Important Reminder: Someone who subscribes to the 'invisible beings interact with people' line of thought should not be expected to be all too good at lining up cause and effect.
Important Reminder: Not everyone who subscribes to the 'invisible sky pixie' line of thought is a fucking moron.

Yeah, and? If you believe that something intangible exists out there, that's your problem. But if you try to tell me that said intangible thing regularly interfaces with the real world, such as that your god healed a little girl via magic, I feel pretty confident in stating that you suck at determining cause and effect. So asinine conclusions like 'card games make you a rapist!' don't surprise me coming from a group that sees invisible intervention everywhere.

I've spent enough time around people who think every passing breeze is a ghost, and I'm fairly well acquainted with this problem. It isn't just relegated to the religious; X-files-type conspiracy theorists and new agers are just the latest incarnation of the human ability to assign imaginary causes to phenomena they don't understand, religion being the mother of all manifestations of this trait and folklore being the runner-up.

Base Delta Zero · Post by **Base Delta Zero** » 2006-01-31 03:51pm

That's just plain dumb. What the heck is the correlation here anyways? There doesn't seem to be any evidence they're putting forth.

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2006-01-31 04:09pm

Base Delta Zero wrote:That's just plain dumb. What the heck is the correlation here anyways? There doesn't seem to be any evidence they're putting forth.

Fundies have never been known for providing evidence to back up their claims. So this shouldn't be of much surprise.

Crossroads Inc. · Post by **Crossroads Inc.** » 2006-01-31 04:20pm

And yet another reason why I'm embaressed to be a believer in the "Great Sky Pixie"

<_<
>_>

What? I'm one of the good ones!

Davis 51 · Post by **Davis 51** » 2006-01-31 04:30pm

Whisky....Tango....Foxtrot...Over

I would seriously like to meet this person, just so I can tear whatever pathetic argument he has to shreds.

There has never been any cases where Magic Cards, D&D, or the like have ever been attributed directly to rape. I'm sure someone accused them somewhere, but I seriously doubt that claim would ever hold up in a court of law.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2006-01-31 04:49pm

There were those cases several years ago where D&D players got soooooooo wrapped up in the game that they started taking it into real life and a few people got killed. Leave it to fundies to exaggerate the incident though.

Post by **LadyTevar** » 2006-01-31 04:57pm

Darth Servo wrote:There were those cases several years ago where D&D players got soooooooo wrapped up in the game that they started taking it into real life and a few people got killed. Leave it to fundies to exaggerate the incident though.

See the movie "Mazes and Monsters", based on the incident. The boy in question was already mentally unstable.

Batman · Post by **Batman** » 2006-01-31 05:08pm

Darth Servo wrote:There were those cases several years ago where D&D players got soooooooo wrapped up in the game that they started taking it into real life and a few people got killed. Leave it to fundies to exaggerate the incident though.

While religious fanatics have of course never done such things. Oh wait.

Raw Shark · Post by **Raw Shark** » 2006-01-31 05:54pm

LadyTevar wrote:See the movie "Mazes and Monsters", based on the incident. The boy in question was already mentally unstable.

YES! I am NOT the only one who has borne witness to this live-action Jack Chick strip! Tom Hanks fans, do not miss him as Pardu the Psychotic Cleric here. He plays at the Ninth Level until the Ninth Level plays him.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2006-01-31 07:02pm

Darth Servo wrote:There were those cases several years ago where D&D players got soooooooo wrapped up in the game that they started taking it into real life and a few people got killed. Leave it to fundies to exaggerate the incident though.

It's the same as the DOOM MAKES KILLERS stuff. If beating up on badly pixelated flaming skulls makes you kill fleshy human beings, you're already looney.

Rye · Post by **Rye** » 2006-01-31 08:04pm

Captain Cyran wrote: Important Reminder: Not everyone who subscribes to the 'invisible sky pixie' line of thought is a fucking moron.

Obviously, but I'm sure anyone that actually claimed that would get their balls cooked tound here in short order. Anyone that does subscribe to the irrational epistemology and reverence of faith, however, is part of the same system that produces fundies. Insane religiosity is all out faith, all out suspension of reason, it is faith at it's most extreme, applied evenly and consistently, and, dare I say it, honestly. Ironically, the fundies are the logical ultimate expression of faith.

It's the secularist believers that betray both reason and faith, they are inconsistent with their application of their epistemologies, because they know that ultimately, faith is indistinguishable from gullibility and delusion. Revere that state of mind enough and we all see what we get.

Anyway, It's a fundie, and fundies are known for their rabidly tossing anything they don't like, don't understand, or if they just feel likethrowing something into the "It's evil and if you do it you'll go to hell" barrel. One of my acquantances (who is somewhat of a faithful christian) got into the game and he told us his mother-in-law yelled at him about how it's a satanic game blah blah blah. It has to do with the whole idea of summoning a demonic creature, it's just some people can't manage to realize that they're just some cards (And they worry about video gamers ).

Yep, see it from her point of view though, she sees it as much an attack on her faith as you'd undoubtedly see anyone making fun of deities.

As for Strip Magic... that is an interesting idea.

To be honest, it would be gross with most people I've seen play it.

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