Yet another gripe about B&B

[neoolong]

Zoink: Phase canons not phasers, according to B&B if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it must be a.... deer.

There's a problem in either case, Worf stated that the phaser was the most important development since the 22nd century because they didn't have phasers in that century. If phase canons are something completely different, they still have in the 22nd century something very similar, with similar abilities... making the development of the phaser not that special.

However, both cases can be explained by stating that "Worf is an idiot".... I just prefer to use the "B&B are idiots" explanation because watching a show about a crew full of idiots is boring (example: Voyager).

Well, it's not very likely for Worf not to know. He is the security chief, and supposedly some great warrior guy. One would think that for a historical study for a warrior talking about weapons, it would be true.

[Perinquus]

Zoink: Phase canons not phasers, according to B&B if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it must be a.... deer.

There's a problem in either case, Worf stated that the phaser was the most important development since the 22nd century because they didn't have phasers in that century. If phase canons are something completely different, they still have in the 22nd century something very similar, with similar abilities... making the development of the phaser not that special.

However, both cases can be explained by stating that "Worf is an idiot".... I just prefer to use the "B&B are idiots" explanation because watching a show about a crew full of idiots is boring (example: Voyager).

Well, it's not very likely for Worf not to know. He is the security chief, and supposedly some great warrior guy. One would think that for a historical study for a warrior talking about weapons, it would be true.

Guys. Give it up. This isn't just a minor discrepancy that can be explained away. No rationalizaion will work. It's a glaring contradiction. Here on this board we have generally followed the method Mike uses to analyze and compare the various universes, and we treat the source material as though it were a factual historical record.

We can't do that here. It contradicts the shit out of "established history". We know that The U.S.S. Enterprise NCC-1701 was using lasers, both as shipboard and personal armament, right up until Pike turned command over to Kirk (whether the armament was upgraded to phasers just before Pike relinquished command, or just after Kirk took over, or sometime in between we don't know, but we can definitely nail it down to that approximate time). Archer's Enterprise, having "phase cannons" and "phase pistols" for the crew is like the Union army in the American Civil War having airplanes. It's an anachronism. Consequently, if we follow the method of objectively treating the canon material as historical record, we have to consider the whole Enterprise series as apocryphal. We have to consider the source material in the same light we would consider a "historical record" that contained accounts of Union army pilots climbing into their biplanes to go scout the Confederate positions - obviously unreliable; a forgery written by someone who was too ignorant to get his most basic facts straight. Therefore, as far as I am concerned the travesty that is "Enterprise" the series is entirely apocryphal.

This is what happens when you get idiots like Berman and Braga, who not only don't care about Star Trek, but don't even like its original (and best) version: they don't just neglect continuity, they willfully piss all over it.

[Stravo]

I do believe that the series does say INSPIRED by Star Trek so perhaps thats B&B's way of weaseling out of this abhorent abortion of a show, any discrepancy can be chalked up to the fact that this isn't REALLY Star Trek.

But of course, then you get stupid shit like B&B PRETENDING to be worried about continuity. They want Ferengi and Romulans because they can't think of better aliens. I mean if I had the universe they had to play with...OH MY GOD the stories I could write, whole new aliens to create. And with the backdrop of a looming Romulan war that will change everything...what a story, what a series that would be....but that's asking for something from B&B that they don't have...TALENT.

They're fucking hacks and it disgusts me to the core.

[neoolong]

Guys. Give it up. This isn't just a minor discrepancy that can be explained away. No rationalizaion will work. It's a glaring contradiction. Here on this board we have generally followed the method Mike uses to analyze and compare the various universes, and we treat the source material as though it were a factual historical record.

We can't do that here. It contradicts the shit out of "established history". We know that The U.S.S. Enterprise NCC-1701 was using lasers, both as shipboard and personal armament, right up until Pike turned command over to Kirk (whether the armament was upgraded to phasers just before Pike relinquished command, or just after Kirk took over, or sometime in between we don't know, but we can definitely nail it down to that approximate time). Archer's Enterprise, having "phase cannons" and "phase pistols" for the crew is like the Union army in the American Civil War having airplanes. It's an anachronism. Consequently, if we follow the method of objectively treating the canon material as historical record, we have to consider the whole Enterprise series as apocryphal. We have to consider the source material in the same light we would consider a "historical record" that contained accounts of Union army pilots climbing into their biplanes to go scout the Confederate positions - obviously unreliable; a forgery written by someone who was too ignorant to get his most basic facts straight. Therefore, as far as I am concerned the travesty that is "Enterprise" the series is entirely apocryphal.

This is what happens when you get idiots like Berman and Braga, who not only don't care about Star Trek, but don't even like its original (and best) version: they don't just neglect continuity, they willfully piss all over it.

Dude, I was saying that Worf being an idiot isn't a valid excuse. Thus the only reason is because B&B are idiots.