BOLOs vs. Mecha

Darth_Shinji · Post by **Darth_Shinji** » 2002-12-06 02:03pm

europa

SylasGaunt · Post by **SylasGaunt** » 2002-12-06 02:55pm

Zaku-chan wrote:
Um...WTF???

Unlike many universes the Bolos actually make use of their electronic warfare capabilities, and the nanos have to have some kind of communications going on in order to coordinate.. which means there's an open line for the Bolo to go in on and rewrite their computer programming (and they can do it to completely alien operating systems without anyone noticing, I doubt a human developed one will present much difficulty).

That's of course provided it doesn't just EMP the thing.

Doesn't mean they're ready for MB.

Sure they are, they've got EMP weapons and are more than willing to launch electronic attacks upon their opponentsm and seeing as how a nanomachine isn't going to be able to carry much in the way of EM shielding a single EMP warhead should quite handily take it out.

SylasGaunt · Post by **SylasGaunt** » 2002-12-06 02:56pm

Darth_Shinji wrote: Which unfortanatly prob got blown up with the first one. GR blew up europe. Also the blast traveled to the core of the moon to give you a distance rating...

Provided for some reason the Bolo actually let it get that shot off as opposed to just wipiing it's computer systems, taking it over, or EMPing the ever loving hell out of it.

Zaku-chan · Post by **Zaku-chan** » 2002-12-06 03:14pm

SylasGaunt wrote:*snips*

I see, then. All right.

SWPIGWANG · Post by **SWPIGWANG** » 2002-12-06 03:58pm

just how do bolo take over computers?

VF5SS · Post by **VF5SS** » 2002-12-06 04:55pm

SWPIGWANG wrote:just how do bolo take over computers?

Through lots and lots of wanking.

Oh man, Shinji, calm down for a second and let me handle the details. Shin Dragon destroyed Ganymede. Europa, Io, and Callisto were destroyed when Shin Dragon and Shin Getta One teamed up to create that giant energy tomahawk. As far as Getta Robos vs. EMP attacks, there were a few instances in where certain components were disabled by what I would assume are EMP attacks. There is no data on Shin Dragon or Shin Getta Robo in that regard.

SylasGaunt · Post by **SylasGaunt** » 2002-12-06 07:24pm

VF5SS wrote:
SWPIGWANG wrote:just how do bolo take over computers?

Through lots and lots of wanking.

I.e. they actually make use of their technology's potential as opposed to just ignoring it.

VF5SS · Post by **VF5SS** » 2002-12-06 07:31pm

Yeah, I'd say you're right. I'm just saying that there's far too much techno-wank going on in this thread. Don't you agree?

Hotfoot · Post by **Hotfoot** » 2002-12-06 07:43pm

VF5SS wrote:Yeah, I'd say you're right. I'm just saying that there's far too much techno-wank going on in this thread. Don't you agree?

Nah, it's not that bad yet.

Oh wait, yes it is.

Granted, there has evolved a somewhat serious discussion from all of this, but still...

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2002-12-06 08:24pm

Yosemite: The Kloude Chamber isn't nanotech; from what I understand, it's like a miniature model of the universe to some certain range (not sure what it is; it's in the light-years, definitely) and they discovered that by altering the spin-states (I think) of atoms in the model, they were able to also effect atoms in the real world, and thus remotely get into computer systems.

But, apparently the Chamber is semi-easy to jam... though whether that's semi-easy, period or semi-easy relative to the late-era Concordiat isn't too clear.

Bolo's *can* send directed EM Pulses in order to knock out the electronics of guided artillery; I imagine it could do the same against nanomachines.

Which unfortanatly prob got blown up with the first one. GR blew up europe. Also the blast traveled to the core of the moon to give you a distance rating...

Like I said, it speaks ill of your position when you must resort to orbital bombardment and superweapons.

VF5SS · Post by **VF5SS** » 2002-12-06 08:37pm

Uraniun235 wrote: Like I said, it speaks ill of your position when you must resort to orbital bombardment and superweapons.

Hey, smoke em if you got em

The Dark · Post by **The Dark** » 2002-12-06 09:51pm

Uraniun235 wrote:Yosemite: The Kloude Chamber isn't nanotech; from what I understand, it's like a miniature model of the universe to some certain range (not sure what it is; it's in the light-years, definitely) and they discovered that by altering the spin-states (I think) of atoms in the model, they were able to also effect atoms in the real world, and thus remotely get into computer systems.

But, apparently the Chamber is semi-easy to jam... though whether that's semi-easy, period or semi-easy relative to the late-era Concordiat isn't too clear.

IIRC, it can also create illusions by altering the spin-states, making things appear or vanish to sensors (including the Mk 1 eyeball), essentially creating a cloaking device for the Bolo. I may be wrong on this, though, it's been a while since I read about the Chamber.

Bolo's *can* send directed EM Pulses in order to knock out the electronics of guided artillery; I imagine it could do the same against nanomachines.

Why bother with that? Just fire the Hellbores. The supercharged plasma should create a EM pulse by itself that can more than overwhelm a nanomachine. Or just nuke an area until it's hot, then go sit there. Bolos have survived being encased in rock melted by nukes; nanomachines can't carry enough shielding to survive that many rads.

Which unfortanatly prob got blown up with the first one. GR blew up europe. Also the blast traveled to the core of the moon to give you a distance rating...
Like I said, it speaks ill of your position when you must resort to orbital bombardment and superweapons.

Someone who knows Bolo literature correct me if I'm wrong, but the Bolo from Bolo Rising survived a strike by an asteroid being dropped on the city it was defending. If the Bolos were to spread out, this superweapon would not necessarily destroy all of them (assuming it could get within range without the Hellbores destroying it). Of course, once you start talking about ortillery and space superweapons, you start getting off the original idea, which (IIRC) was not to annihilate the entire world for the purposes of removing one (relatively) minor enemy unit (meaning the 24 Bolos).

SylasGaunt · Post by **SylasGaunt** » 2002-12-06 10:57pm

Uraniun235 wrote:
But, apparently the Chamber is semi-easy to jam... though whether that's semi-easy, period or semi-easy relative to the late-era Concordiat isn't too clear.

Easy to jam for people with the right technical base. The Bolo using the Kloude chamber in 'And Don't Come Back!" mentioned some kind of FTL damper that would inhibit the chamber but none of the above would likely have those.

Darth_Shinji · Post by **Darth_Shinji** » 2002-12-07 09:58am

Actaully GR have to have rad shielding of a type. Remember Getta Rays are harmful to living beings and these people use thier mechs in these highly saturated areas... I think getta rays also messup modern equipment but I'll go back and check later.

SylasGaunt · Post by **SylasGaunt** » 2002-12-07 02:36pm

But is this sufficient (or able given its for use against some fictional radiation form) to protect it from an EMP capable of cooking hardened electronics?

Post by **Beowulf** » 2002-12-07 07:12pm

And is this shielding going to be capable of shielding them from things besides these Getta Rays?

Darth_Shinji · Post by **Darth_Shinji** » 2002-12-07 07:24pm

Beowulf wrote:And is this shielding going to be capable of shielding them from things besides these Getta Rays?

Actually I belive it also withstand a nuke (maybe two) and staying in the same spot for years afterwards... I have to check.

VF5SS · Post by **VF5SS** » 2002-12-07 08:17pm

I've got a pic of the Proton Missile's explosion. Remember that both Shin Dragon and Shin Getta Robo are are at ground zero. Here, its in my Yahoo briefcase.

http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/users/db65aac9 ... 9ATG4GwiIQ