But how do you know it didn't take that route? The whole final conversation could have been a nice big fat lie, there was no incentive whatsoever to tell Jack the truth, only to get him to dispose of the one guy (at that time) who knew of The Patriots and was made enough to do something about it, likely involving a fuck off big H-bomb. Until it is resolved in MGS4, there is little to connect to original Philosopher's with the modern Wiseman's Committee that is The Patriots.Vendetta wrote:
An individual meme or even a memeplex cannot be "self aware" any more than a gene or chromosome can. They are neuron linkages in the brains of individual humans, which represent ideas that can replicate themselves by transmitting themselves to other humans via communication. The idea that there is a shadowy conspiracy called "The Patriots" running the country from behind the scenes is a meme. It is an idea that spreads by sounding convincing, and by drawing just enough on coincidental events and paranoia in infected subjects to gain a foothold and spread.
The beauty of this as a meme is that there does not need to be a conspiracy, as long as the people in the right places are all carrying the Patriots meme, they will act as if the Patriots were real, and thereby facilitate the reproduction of the meme.
Pity that wasn't the route the script took, it would have been cool.
Not psychobabble, it's just somewhat sketchy science used in a way to mislead in many instances.MKSheppard wrote:*Looks at all the idiots trying to make sense of the psychobabble that Metal Gear Solid 2 was spewing*
Right, because a lone, armed man on a ship that shouldn't exist is going to be getting into dialogue with a whole fuckload of marines. Even if Snake did go "I'm a good guy!", it'd be too late to actually do anything bar abandon ship.The game quite simply lost me at the beginning (Hey, an unknown group has taken over the top decks of this ship commanded by US Marines and containing a metal gear, and if the marines in the hold see me, the game ends RIGHT THERE, not even a "Hey guys, your entire topside crew is dead" comment) but of course, things must go a predetermined way because Kojima Knows Best; even if it means making every Marine on that ship a retarded idiot.
The SEAL Team 10 went in to take out Dead Cell, and failed miserably. Raiden was meant to get in sneakily and find out more information, then take necessary action. One guy who has fought all his life is going to have a better chance of evading the freaks than a whole squad, dontchathink?It then continued to get progressively worse; right; a single pretty-boi wannabe (raiden) is going to succeed where an entire SEAL team failed?
No, it set the stage for a clusterfuck scenario that seems to be MGS4 given it looks like war came about. You can go on about long codec convos being tiresome, but everything else fit and nary a thing wrong with the game itself.the psychobabble VR simulation or not "meme" whatever at the end only capped off the idiocy.
And MGS3 had no "psychobabble" and explained a great deal about the whole issue. It's worth buying just to watch Ocelot as a young cretin coming of age.
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