Whom would you Train?

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2006-02-07 09:00pm

You're Yoda.

You have a decision to make. It's on the eve of ANH and the Force is telling you its time to train a new Jedi. You have two choices:

Leia Organna - she's smart, brave, determined with an iron will. She knows the ins and outs of the Imperial beaurcracy and the way things are done. She has a deep unabiding hatred of what Palpatine has done. She has resisted the rampant corruption that riddles the Senate. She has the resources of the Rebellion behind her and she is a woman - who knows? Perhaps Palpatine and Vader will underestimate her for being a woman.

Luke Skywalker - a carbon copy of Anakin Skywalker down to that pesky temper of his and oh, did I mention that Obi Wan is vouching for him?

So whom do you chose and why?

Chris OFarrell · Post by **Chris OFarrell** » 2006-02-07 09:04pm

There are pros and cons to each.

Leia is already against the Imperial Government. She already works for the rebels and has had extensive combat training already. She also has an iron will and has discipline, a far more suitable choice for Jedi training in the oldschool way.

OTOH Luke represents a far more 'human' person. Granted he had problems, but in the end his life experience let the new Jedi Order grow where it needed to grow and change as it needed to change. Leia might well be much more dogmatic in her quest to restore the Republic....

ngc7293 · Post by **ngc7293** » 2006-02-07 09:38pm

I would think it would still have to be Luke. Leia is a very 'public' figure. For her to recieve training from Yoda and Obi Wan, she would draw more attention than needed. If she had begun her training, and ANH had started the exact same way, she might have been captured by Vader.

Luke on the other hand, starts out as a nobody on a wasteland planet. To keep keep out of Vader's clutches, Luke is the best choice.

Jedi Guardian · Post by **Jedi Guardian** » 2006-02-07 10:04pm

Leia don't ask me why I just would. The Force is guiding me in that direction.

Mlenk · Post by **Mlenk** » 2006-02-07 11:13pm

Stravo wrote: She has a deep unabiding hatred of what Palpatine has done.She has resisted the rampant corruption that riddles the Senate. She has the resources of the Rebellion behind her and she is a woman - who knows? Perhaps Palpatine and Vader will underestimate her for being a woman.

Maybe her deep anger against Palpatine is why she wasn't chosen. She's been in politics and and has seen up close and personal the ugliness of Palpatine and his empire all her life. If I remember correctly, wasn't it stated that she practically grew up in the Imperial Palace at Organa's side in the Imperial Senate? That's gotta have some cold and hardening effect on your outlook on life that perhaps Yoda and Obi-Wan didn't like.

On the other hand Luke is a fresh faced farmboy from backwater Tatooine whose only experience with the galactic empire was the killing of Owen and Beru and of course his fight against the Death Star. While those events are major and changed Luke's life forever, perhaps it was because Luke was still relatively fresh and untainted that Yoda and Obi-Wan chose him over Leia.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2006-02-07 11:36pm

Luke. As said, Leia's cool outlook is more keeping with the old style Jedi, which we know was doomed to failure. Luke's emotional appeals were what won the day, and it took Leia 3 years and a cramped lifethreathening starship drive to merely admit she liked Han.

Gene Starwind · Post by **Gene Starwind** » 2006-02-07 11:36pm

Personally, I couldn't train either. Leia is a prattling hothead with too much of a temper to trust with the force. A PMSing Leia killing senators at that time of the month *shivers*

As for Luke, I would probably not be able to resist the dark side urge to murder him for his ineptitude with the force, being that I would have a very short temper from being damn near marooned on Dagobah for around 20 years.

General Soontir Fel · Post by **General Soontir Fel** » 2006-02-08 12:52am

Luke. Leia would be more likely to turn to the dark side. My theory is that each of the Skywalker twins got the looks from one parent and the personality from the other. No points on guessing which is which.

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2006-02-08 12:59am

Interesting, considering that Leia was on her way to get Ben when the finkelmatter hit the air circulator. I wonder if Yoda would have trained both had the Devistator not been there to intercept the Tantive?

For the most part, Luke. One of the failings of the old Jedi Order was that it thought too much of itself and lost touch with the 'people' they were suppost to serve. They were supposed to be 'servents of the Force' and protect life etc, etc.... They ended up the super cops/commandos of the Republic and the Senate in particular.

Lukes emotional attachments were actaully what put him in his fathers perdiciment, and yet it was those emotional attachments that let him make the choice Anakin didn't/couldn't. Luke would have died to save his friends while Anakin would have killed anyone to save his friends. If Luke would have been trained in the traditional Jedi sense, then he would not have had those 'attachements' and would have been trained not to care about his Dad and his plight.

Anguirus · Post by **Anguirus** » 2006-02-08 08:34am

Both, if possible. But Leia could be hard to drag away from the Rebellion, all things considered.

Count Dooku · Post by **Count Dooku** » 2006-02-08 01:17pm

It would be easier to train Luke since Liea was in the public eye. I mean, it would be hard for Vader not to notice Obi-wan training Leia. Training Luke would be a bit more conspicuous.

Trytostaydead · Post by **Trytostaydead** » 2006-02-08 03:43pm

Luke. He was still naive, idealistic, and brash enough. Besides which, whoever heard of a woman warrior, pfft!

Perseid · Post by **Perseid** » 2006-02-08 04:01pm

Luke for the same reason he was chosen in the movies. A young man raised by his Uncle and Aunt without ever having known his real parents, is far more likely to want to find out about his father, and avenge his "death" but without following the path of the man that "betrayed and murdered" his father.

Leia meanwhile was raised as an Alderaanian Princess, and believes that her foster parents are her real parents so the orphan angle wouldn't work. She may be cool headed and have combat training but she would 1. have to unlearn what she had learned about combat, and 2. let go of her hatred for Palpatine and Vader, and thats before training can really begin.

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2006-02-08 04:08pm

I think alot of folks are assuming the end result by their foreknowledge of ROTJ but in light of Luke as of ANH and Leia as of ANH whom would make the better Jedi that could bring down the Empire? A farmboy who shares many if not most of his father's flaws or the Princess with a sense of duty and mission and no need to indoctrinate as to the evils of Palpatine and his Empire?

I'm asking that absent your knowledge of ESB and ROTJ if you were shown Luke Skywalker as of begining of ANH ("BUt I was going to Toshi station to pick up some power converters") and Leia ("Darth vader, only you could be so bold, the Imperial Senate will not stand for this.") you as an outside observer make the choice of who makes the better Jedi.

It's sort of cheating to say that "Well Luke turned Vader back to the light so..." when its obvious that was NOT the plan. Obi Wan and Yoda intended to train a Vader slayer not a Redeemer.

Trytostaydead · Post by **Trytostaydead** » 2006-02-08 04:47pm

Well then, I'd probably still choose Luke over Leia. Leia's already trained in her profession, how and why to fight. It would require not only training her, but breaking her as well.

Luke, the idealistic farm boy, just has his eyes out there to the unknown looking for something else and not knowing much else. He's probably a better clay to mold than Leia.

Perseid · Post by **Perseid** » 2006-02-08 04:53pm

Stravo wrote:I think alot of folks are assuming the end result by their foreknowledge of ROTJ but in light of Luke as of ANH and Leia as of ANH whom would make the better Jedi that could bring down the Empire? A farmboy who shares many if not most of his father's flaws or the Princess with a sense of duty and mission and no need to indoctrinate as to the evils of Palpatine and his Empire?

I'm asking that absent your knowledge of ESB and ROTJ if you were shown Luke Skywalker as of begining of ANH ("BUt I was going to Toshi station to pick up some power converters") and Leia ("Darth vader, only you could be so bold, the Imperial Senate will not stand for this.") you as an outside observer make the choice of who makes the better Jedi.

It's sort of cheating to say that "Well Luke turned Vader back to the light so..." when its obvious that was NOT the plan. Obi Wan and Yoda intended to train a Vader slayer not a Redeemer.

Luke was set up pretty much from RotS as the one that would be trained. Leia is raised as a privilaged member of high soceity, whilst Luke is raised by his family without knowing who his father is. The fact that Luke gets told by Kenobi that Vader "betrayed and murdered" his father gives him an incentive to want to kill Vader. Leia only has the provication of trying to serve the Republic.

Besides Kenobi has been watching over Luke since he was a baby.

Medic · Post by **Medic** » 2006-02-08 05:18pm

Knife wrote:Interesting, considering that Leia was on her way to get Ben when the finkelmatter hit the air circulator. I wonder if Yoda would have trained both had the Devistator not been there to intercept the Tantive?

For the most part, Luke. One of the failings of the old Jedi Order was that it thought too much of itself and lost touch with the 'people' they were suppost to serve. They were supposed to be 'servents of the Force' and protect life etc, etc.... They ended up the super cops/commandos of the Republic and the Senate in particular. -- above the law in other words

Luke's emotional attachments were actaully what put him in his fathers perdiciment, and yet it was those emotional attachments that let him make the choice Anakin didn't/couldn't. Luke would have died to save his friends while Anakin would have killed anyone to save his friends. If Luke would have been trained in the traditional Jedi sense, then he would not have had those 'attachements' and would have been trained not to care about his Dad and his plight.

On the other hand, Luke, having lost his family and seeing his best friends all go off planet, was probably seen as the classic selfless-Jedi candidate. I'm not convinced the Jedi ever learned their lesson, they still painted everything in Light and Dark -- seems like winning was more important that re-constituting the Jedi order, cause if Luke failed they'd just throw Leia into the fire.

Rhoades · Post by **Rhoades** » 2006-02-08 08:52pm

Personally, I would have to go with Leia. She already has the makings of a warrior, she also has the leadership qualities (which, in the long run, I think is important bacause you'll want someone to carry on the Jedi traditions), and she has a positive moral compass (after all, she's fighting the good fight, and as mention, resisted a lot of the senate's internal corruption).

Whether or not, she'll adhere to the old schools dogma that flawed the previous order really depends more on what Yoda would teach her. If he mention the failings of the old teachings, and urges her to learn from those mistakes then I don't see how the old ways would stick.

ngc7293 · Post by **ngc7293** » 2006-02-09 12:59am

Stravo wrote: [snip]
I'm asking that absent your knowledge of ESB and ROTJ if you were shown Luke Skywalker as of begining of ANH ("BUt I was going to Toshi station to pick up some power converters") and Leia ("Darth vader, only you could be so bold, the Imperial Senate will not stand for this.") you as an outside observer make the choice of who makes the better Jedi.
[snip]

I think it would still be Luke. It would be like two pieces of clay. Leia, the rich girl already active in the rebellion (the clay that has been sitting out in the sun all day). Luke, the farm boy who knows only what goes on around his farm (the clay that has been in the cool basement all day long). Luke can still be molded

PainRack · Post by **PainRack** » 2006-02-09 06:26am

But that would mean that we won't know about the Sons of Suns prophecy as well..............

Jack Bauer · Post by **Jack Bauer** » 2006-02-09 04:32pm

A certain planet suddently blowing up might just push a certain Princess over the edge and to the Dark Side.

My vote is for the crop dustin' farm boy.

Cos Dashit · Post by **Cos Dashit** » 2006-02-09 05:38pm

i dont know about luke, he reminds me too much of anakin in episode 2: really whinny, impatient, childish... the only difference is that anakin was more adept with the force. leia. i would have to pick leia. the only downside would be to control her emotions so as to not lead her to the dark side, and her age would be a factor.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2006-02-09 05:55pm

For me it would be Luke.

Luke may be like Anikin but he seems to have been able to better control his anger then his dad. Imperials did kill his aunt and uncle but Luke didn't go ballistice on the nearest stormtrooper he saw.

Luke I think also had the most potential at the moment but if I had a choice of both I'd train both! with both then I have a way to double up on the emperor.

Jedi Guardian · Post by **Jedi Guardian** » 2006-02-10 05:57pm

Cos Dashit wrote:And her age would be a factor.

In the new order age isn't much of a factor as it use to be. Many of the Jedi Luke trained were over the age of 20 and they didn't turn over to the other side. But i'm not saying that she wouldn't, in the new order many Jedi did turn to the Dark Side.

Solauren · Post by **Solauren** » 2006-02-10 06:26pm

Luke.

Getting Leia away from the rebellion took an act of the Force (okay, the Falcon, same thing)

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