Construction times and ICS

Count Dooku · Post by **Count Dooku** » 2006-02-16 05:34pm

Does anyone care to venture a guess as to what the construction time on various ships are? Like the Venator, Acclamator and Imperator class cap-ships, and the X-wing, TIE Fighter, ARC-170, Vulture driods, and the like?

My second question is in regards to the ICS (Incredible Cross Sections). I don't own any of the books, and I know - more or less - what they are about. What all is in them? Just ship specifications and a picture or two? A lot of places on the net, including a lot of people here, use the ICS as a reference. I almost feel like I'm at a disadvantage when talking about Star Wars without it.

nightmare · Post by **nightmare** » 2006-02-16 06:26pm

The first is a somewhat complex question. One can use pure canon and extrapolate the construction time of the DS2. Another way is to estimate the Imperial fleet buildup time, like 25,000 ISDs over a few years. Or you can use WDs which apparently could spit out TIE drones by the minute?

Or one can use secondary sources like SoG, but I wouldn't recommend that, it's just game mechanics.

The second - yeah, pretty much, but they're neat

AK_Jedi · Post by **AK_Jedi** » 2006-02-16 06:30pm

The drawings are very well done, and give you a look into the internal workings of many of the ships. Of course, the information that debators really care about is pretty much summed up in a little box on the side of each page.

Cos Dashit · Post by **Cos Dashit** » 2006-02-16 07:45pm

ICS is a book with many of the ships that appeared in the original Trilogy. They have very elaborate drawings and give you some background about how ships such as the TIE, Millennium Falcon, X-Wing, and the Death Star work. However, they don't give any specific data about energy output, weapon power, etc.

The funny thing is they are listed in libraries under the reference section. When you check it out you get it for one day.

LongVin · Post by **LongVin** » 2006-02-16 08:00pm

They can probably construct a tie in a day or less considering its all modular. They just need the delivery of all the parts and slap the thing together.

PayBack · Post by **PayBack** » 2006-02-16 08:24pm

hell i would have thought they'd be able to assemble a TIE in less than an hour.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2006-02-16 08:32pm

Cos Dashit wrote:ICS is a book with many of the ships that appeared in the original Trilogy. They have very elaborate drawings and give you some background about how ships such as the TIE, Millennium Falcon, X-Wing, and the Death Star work. However, they don't give any specific data about energy output, weapon power, etc.

The OT ICS and TPM ICS yes. The AOTC and ROTS ICS do include these figures though, particularily the AOTC ICS.

Construction times are more going to be limited by how fast they can get resources and parts to the dock then anything else.

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2006-02-16 08:32pm

I dout that any of the capships the Empire, The Republic (both old and new) or the Rebels (pre NR) took more then a year to build including the manufacturing time for the components. assembling something like a TIE fighter or a Vulture (in Trade Federation factories) probably takes less then an hour (perhaps even only few minutes)

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2006-02-16 08:33pm

PayBack wrote:hell i would have thought they'd be able to assemble a TIE in less than an hour.

If memory serves Starfighters of Adumar or one of the otehr X wing books does say something about the speed with which fighters are built. Can't remember the specifics though.

LongVin · Post by **LongVin** » 2006-02-16 08:36pm

PayBack wrote:hell i would have thought they'd be able to assemble a TIE in less than an hour.

Well you have to wait for the modular parts to be built. Shipped there unless they are built on site, but then you have to wait for resources. So if everything is ready to go it probably would take a few minutes to slap the thing together.

Cos Dashit · Post by **Cos Dashit** » 2006-02-16 08:37pm

Ender wrote:
Cos Dashit wrote:ICS is a book with many of the ships that appeared in the original Trilogy. They have very elaborate drawings and give you some background about how ships such as the TIE, Millennium Falcon, X-Wing, and the Death Star work. However, they don't give any specific data about energy output, weapon power, etc.
The OT ICS and TPM ICS yes. The AOTC and ROTS ICS do include these figures though, particularily the AOTC ICS.

Construction times are more going to be limited by how fast they can get resources and parts to the dock then anything else.

Ah yes, I have only read the OT ICS.

Fleet Admiral JD · Post by **Fleet Admiral JD** » 2006-02-16 08:56pm

I own all of the ICS books as well as incredible locations. They're fun to read and look at, and interesting if you're into the tech. I'd reccomend them to a debator

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As to the first, I have to agree with the consensus here.

Cos Dashit · Post by **Cos Dashit** » 2006-02-16 09:10pm

That's cool, I have only rented OT ICS from the library. But I do own the Star Wars Visual Dictionary, I love it, I've read it about 20 times.

FOG3 · Post by **FOG3** » 2006-02-16 10:07pm

Of course one thing to remember with construction time is if your doing things assembly line style it can take multiple hours to build each individual finished product, but you can have a new one coming off the line every few seconds.

Count Dooku · Post by **Count Dooku** » 2006-02-16 10:21pm

In all honesty, the ONLY thing I think would take more than a few days to build would be a hyperdrive. Other than that, considering how advanced Star Wars technology is, I doubt it would take more than a few weeks to construct a cap-ship.

NRS Guardian · Post by **NRS Guardian** » 2006-02-16 11:03pm

If we go by RL, it probably only takes them 6 months to go from durasteel plates to finished ISD. Considering that's how long it takes for the U.S. to build an Arleigh Burke, and a Burke is only about 150 meters long.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2006-02-16 11:08pm

Actually when you think of the time it took the Empire to construct the second DS...you really get an idea that their production time is immense for even things on the scale of the Executor

PayBack · Post by **PayBack** » 2006-02-16 11:45pm

Not only that, but look at how they build entire city blocks... some hulking great droid (IIRC) rolling along turning old buildings into new buildings. It's not like they need the parts available, they just fabricate them as they go... possibly even like the repair yard on Enterprise, where the pieces are replicated straight into the arms of the construction robots. They don't even need to reach for a part.. it's just there as they put it in place.

FTeik · Post by **FTeik** » 2006-02-17 03:40am

I think that it was the RASB that said, that the shipyards at MonCalamari need one month to build a frigate (MC40?) and three to complete a cruiser (MC80? Something on the scale of HomeOne)? Remember, this is the resource-poor Rebel-Alliance in a system under siege.

Executor took perhaps half a year, IIR-Classic-SW-C.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2006-02-17 07:20pm

The Executor took less than half a year. The Marvel SW comics give it only maybe two months from being laid down to completion. A shitload of stuff happens for awhile before Vader even orders them to begin laying it down.

Publius created a great timeline for the Marvel run after ANH a couple years ago. The whole Marvel run occupies six months, and the Executor is not begun until well into the series.