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M$ Office 2007 announced- More Bloated, More Expensive

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Behold Office 2007

2/16/2006 12:34:36 PM, by Ken "Caesar" Fisher

Microsoft Office. You love it, you hate it. You need it, or no one does. Microsoft's cash cow is either ground beef or a sacred bovine depending on who you ask, but one thing is certain: another version will bring another round of strong sales, buffeted both by OEM deals and an insatiable thirst for the latest and greatest among some users. Upgrade addicts, here it comes. Microsoft has announced the product details for Office 12, now christened Office 2007.

"The 2007 release is the productivity breakthrough that customers have been asking for," said Chris Capossela, corporate vice president of the Information Worker Product Management Group at Microsoft. "Today, we’re revealing new products in the Microsoft Office system and a number of new options that provide customers with flexibility in how they purchase our products. That’s great news for businesses eager to provide their workers with the best productivity tools possible for information management and collaboration."

Office 2007 is the latest installment of Microsoft's collaboration strategy, but not all seven of the new versions are aimed at the workplace. The retail entry level for Office 2007 will remain at US$149—the price for the "Home and Student 2007" version that features Word, Excel, PowerPoint, and OneNote. OEM customers may have the option of purchasing a "Basic" edition along with a new computer, which features Word, Excel and PowerPoint (pricing information for this version is not public). Neither version has upgrade pricing, as upgrades are not available (you can upgrade to another version, however).

The big news here is the "student" version, which was previously known as the "Student and Teacher" edition. Microsoft introduced that version with Office v.X for the Mac and Office 2003, and the company allowed it to be sold in just about every possible retail location. The end result was that people who were neither students nor teachers were buying the edition because of its low price, and Microsoft didn't care. With 2007, the company is formally acknowledging that many people just want a few apps for the lowest cost possible, now pitching the $149 price point for both academic and home settings.

If the basics don't do it for you, the next entry point is considerably steeper. Office Standard 2007, which includes Outlook as well as the standard trinity of Word, Excel and PowerPoint, will retail for $399. Upgrades to this version will be $239, and this is the lowest price that any 2003 users can pay to upgrade to 2007, since upgrades are not available for Basic or academic versions. Small Business 2007 adds Publisher 2007 and the business contacts manager for Outlook, for $449 ($279 upgrade).

But hey now, we're professionals, right? Well, the Professional edition will cost $499 ($329 upgrade), and the extra $50 gets you Microsoft Access. But this time around, that won't get you to the apex of Officedom. Rather, two new editions—Professional Plus and Enterprise—will be available to volume licensing customers only. Professional Plus adds InfoPath, Office Communicator, and "integrated solution capabilities such as ECM, electronic forms, and information rights and policy capabilities." To this, Enterprise adds OneNote (note: this is only available otherwise in Home and Student) and Groove.

As you may have noted, Microsoft FrontPage is missing from all configurations. The company is expected to sell that FrontPage as a standalone application, but details have not been announced.

Two items which you may not be used to seeing are Communicator and Groove. Communicator is Microsoft's corporate IM solution, and Groove is the company's virtual whiteboard collaboration software. Groove was acquired by Microsoft early last year, but the software has been around for several years. We're big fans of it here, and I can't wait to see what has been done with it recently.

For the most part, pricing hasn't moved from Office 2003, although unknown volume licensing costs prevent us from making a firm analysis. The packages haven't changed much, either, but I must say that I'm disappointed to see Outlook left out of the Student and Home version of Office. Microsoft clearly feels as though Windows Mail (the new name of Outlook Express) is "enough" for most users, but as a big fan of Outlook, I do wish the company would be more aggressive about getting that application out there. Most students and homes would benefit from Outlook before PowerPoint, I dare wager. But I'm well aware that not everyone shares my love of Outlook 2003, or my estimation of how insecure Outlook Express is.

In any case, the higher-end of the Office spectrum does have some hidden costs. Many of the collaboration features that make something like Enterprise interesting also require SharePoint Portal Server or another server-based technology (e.g., Office Forms Server 2007, Office Groove Server 2007 and Office Project Portfolio Server 2007) that will add to the overall cost. As you can imagine, the licensing for this is getting more complex by the application. To try and simply things, Microsoft is introducing two new approaches to client access licenses.

Two client access license (CAL) suite options have been designed to help customers purchase a solution that delivers the power of the integrated desktop and server environment in a simplified manner and at a significant discount from the cost of individual components. Available today, the Core CAL combines the access licenses for Microsoft’s most popular servers, including Windows Server™, Microsoft Exchange Server, Office SharePoint Portal Server and Systems Management Server. The new Enterprise CAL will consist of the Core CAL plus new capabilities such as enterprise data searching, spreadsheet publishing, Web-based form creation and unified messaging. It will also include new offerings from Microsoft Operations Manager, Microsoft Office Live Communications Server, Windows Rights Management Services and Microsoft Security products.

I don't envy the people who work with licensing (but I do wish more of them could speak authoritatively on the topic... I hate getting wishy-washy answers on compliance questions, but I digress).

Office 2007 is expected to ship sometime in the second half of 2006. We'll be bringing you more coverage of Office 2007's new features in the coming months.
Or you could just download OpenOffice 2.0.1 :roll:
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Ah, more reasons for me not to pay for M$ software. Good thing I've been using OpenOffice and similar proggies for the past year or so.
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Gez-us, how does anyone defend such overly priced bloat? Okay. OOo may not be amazing, but it's free, not fucking near half a grand for applications you expect to already be on your damn PC.

There's no way I'm moving from OOo v2.0 and Office 2003.
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Hilariously, when my flatmate got her iBook it came with a 'demo' of Office, complete with 'buy this now' popups. Buy it... or just use open office. Hmmmmmmmmm.
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Bill Gates does not eat children. Bill Gates is also making a lot of money.
Will he start eating children if people don't buy Microsoft Office? Really, can you afford to risk it?

Oh yeah, just finished downloading open office. Thanks for the link, gonna have to try it out.
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OpenOffice is neat but won't make many inroads against Microsoft Office for some time - they seem to be in an eternal game of catch-up.
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When GPL software starts becoming more and more mainstream, as it is, people will switch these suites too. Apple sells well today, there's nothing to say people are too dumb to not think there's something outside Windows, and thus, outside the household names MS created.
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Admiral Valdemar wrote:When GPL software starts becoming more and more mainstream, as it is, people will switch these suites too. Apple sells well today, there's nothing to say people are too dumb to not think there's something outside Windows, and thus, outside the household names MS created.
OpenOffice isn't good enough to be a replacement, unfortunately - Microsoft holds the keys to the kingdom via file formats. I tried using it and I having interoperability problems with everyone and their mother using Microsoft Office.
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So if it's $149 for the basic version, and $399 for the standard version, and the only extra program in the standard version is Outlook...........am I missing something or are they charging TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY DOLLARS for Microsoft Outlook?

Guess who's going to continue using Pages? Which, by the way, both easily opens .doc files and easily converts .pages files into docs.
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OpenOffice does not have Exchange.

Also, "Home and Student 2007" isn't priced any higher than "Student and Teacher 2003". Granted, it takes out Outlook, but how many people here actually use Outlook at home?

Also, what's preventing people from using older versions of Office? Shit, the school district I work at still uses Office 2000. Not XP or 2003, but 2000.
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phongn wrote: OpenOffice isn't good enough to be a replacement, unfortunately - Microsoft holds the keys to the kingdom via file formats. I tried using it and I having interoperability problems with everyone and their mother using Microsoft Office.
I've never had such problems, bar maybe a formatting error on a couple of documents I tried saving in numerous different versions to see how it went. I used OOo throughout my university time, and not once did it fail to open an MS document, nor save a file as I needed it to send to a tutor who would, naturally, have to use MS on the uni server.
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Okay, I have never ever used the Office version of Outlook, so someone enlighten me...

What, in the name of the Great Maker, would justify a business spending $250 on Outlook, rather than using something more...economical, like Eudora, Thunderbird...

I mean, does MS like, require them to use it as part of their license, or something!?
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Office integrates with Exchange, and Exchange is Microsoft's iron grip on the corporate world. If someone were to come along and make a system which could offer the same functionality as Exchange at a lower price, Steve Ballmer would probably shit his pants.
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Uraniun235 wrote:Office integrates with Exchange, and Exchange is Microsoft's iron grip on the corporate world. If someone were to come along and make a system which could offer the same functionality as Exchange at a lower price, Steve Ballmer would probably shit his pants.
Well, there is an alternative: Lotus Notes and Domino (replacing Outlook and Exchange, respectively). Unfortunately, they are pretty bad.
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Uraniun235 wrote:OpenOffice does not have Exchange.

Also, "Home and Student 2007" isn't priced any higher than "Student and Teacher 2003". Granted, it takes out Outlook, but how many people here actually use Outlook at home?

Also, what's preventing people from using older versions of Office? Shit, the school district I work at still uses Office 2000. Not XP or 2003, but 2000.
What about Evolution and OpenExchange? Granted, Linux only...

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I wonder how much slow the new MS Office will be. Computers keep becoming faster than ever and MS Office keeps getting more inefficient. Each new version is designed to ensure it is slow enough to annoy users of newer faster computers. :D
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Pu-239 wrote:
Uraniun235 wrote:OpenOffice does not have Exchange.

Also, "Home and Student 2007" isn't priced any higher than "Student and Teacher 2003". Granted, it takes out Outlook, but how many people here actually use Outlook at home?

Also, what's preventing people from using older versions of Office? Shit, the school district I work at still uses Office 2000. Not XP or 2003, but 2000.
What about Evolution and OpenExchange? Granted, Linux only...
Can they handle the same volume of data that Exchange can? I'm not saying they can't, I'm just saying that when it comes to scaling up, not all systems are equal.

Are they as convenient and easy to use for the user?

Do they have every feature that Exchange does?

And, do they look as pretty and polished as Outlook and Exchange do? I realize that's not relevant technically, but it sure can be relevant for some people who make the purchasing decisions - and, to a lesser extent, those who have to contend with the UI every day.
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So can we expect another 50 16x16-pixel toolbar buttons in this edition?

As for OpenOffice, it's not going to beat Microsoft Office by being a cheap imitation of it. They've got to actually try and be better, rather than just trying to keep up all the time.
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Admiral Valdemar wrote:I've never had such problems, bar maybe a formatting error on a couple of documents I tried saving in numerous different versions to see how it went. I used OOo throughout my university time, and not once did it fail to open an MS document, nor save a file as I needed it to send to a tutor who would, naturally, have to use MS on the uni server.
Without 100% compatibility where the conversions does not result in information loss, businesses arent going to touch OOo with a 10 foot barge pole.

Also the level of integration between the various Office applications is staggeringly hard to beat. Nor have I seen OOo offer any ability to replace applications which are little more than a bunch of macros linking various Office applications.

Hate Office's built in scripting all you want, but it is used in the business world. And it isnt going away any time soon.
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Durandal, actualy one of the big things in the new version is that they will replace the old toolbars by something more interactive (apperently something like what is in Office.Mac just better). They did this because they are aware that people don't use features present in the software because they are burried in some toolbar or menu. You can probably get a preview on channel9.
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phongn wrote:OpenOffice is neat but won't make many inroads against Microsoft Office for some time - they seem to be in an eternal game of catch-up.
For businesses, perhaps, but how many home users need even half the features of al full Office suite ? If my only concern is to open presentations and write a few letters, OpenOffice is still the best choice. And I have yet to find major compatibility problems with MS file formats after a year of use.
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Ggs is correct, however, that it's essentially useless in the corporate world, since most corporate clients are worried about compatibility (which Office wins at, since they MAKE the standards) and usablility. Office workers are extremely recalicitrant: simply moving an icon or renaming a macro will bring a torrent of support calls down on your head.

That said, home users should certainly not buy MS Office.
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Bounty wrote:For businesses, perhaps, but how many home users need even half the features of al full Office suite ? If my only concern is to open presentations and write a few letters, OpenOffice is still the best choice. And I have yet to find major compatibility problems with MS file formats after a year of use.
For home use, MS Office is fucking overkill. In the region of using a Deathstar to kill a fly overkill.

You often see people bitching about the "bloat" in Office, but the sheer feature set of Office is staggering. The entire MS Office codebase is probably more complex and bigger than Windows 95.
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Office has those features from over a decade of tinkering and improving the suite. Even if they completely buggered it up, in that time you're statistically likely to make something decent in the end. And with no real competitor, bar say Lotus and Sun, you've got a stanglehold already.

I'm keeping Office 2003, it's useful for when I need it. But I'm also checking alternatives from newer builds of OOo (whose main gripe with me is performance sometimes rather than compatibility) to K-Office to StarOffice (which I'm finding hard to differentiate anyway between OOo) to anything else.

What you need is something that sticks to the classical stuff, but also innovates and comes at a cheaper price than the leading rival. The rise in Apple and *NIX based computing in business may just get someone to pull their finger out and get on the job.
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