Sidious' intentions with Dooku

Cos Dashit · Post by **Cos Dashit** » 2006-02-17 09:37pm

Did Sidious use Dooku as a temporary to get to Anakin? Or did he decide to take Anakin as his apprentice after he saw him defeat Dooku?

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Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2006-02-17 09:39pm

Basically a replacement for Maul, and as a challenge for Anakin really. Plus he was a good figurehead for the CIS.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2006-02-17 10:03pm

Cos Dashit wrote:Did Sidious use Dooku as a temporary to get to Anakin? Or did he decide to take Anakin as his apprentice after he saw him defeat Dooku?

Tell me if this topic has been done before.

watch the end of TPM

Palps had his sights on anakin from the moment he set eyes on the boy. He talked about Anakin's career even before his appointment to be trained was actually announced.

What does that tell you?

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2006-02-17 10:03pm

Cos Dashit wrote:Did Sidious use Dooku as a temporary to get to Anakin? Or did he decide to take Anakin as his apprentice after he saw him defeat Dooku?

Tell me if this topic has been done before.

Dooku served as an ends to a means. Sidious needed a patsy, but he also needed a figure head for the CIS and a clear and visible enemy for the Jedi/Anakin for the war. Dooku served all of these and all Sidious needed to do was show him the power of the Sith.

Dooku got played, and played bad.

Count Dooku · Post by **Count Dooku** » 2006-02-17 11:31pm

Poor Dooku. He was a hell of a warrior. He saw through the lies of the Senate and the Jedi - albiet, it took the Darkside...

Noble Ire · Post by **Noble Ire** » 2006-02-17 11:38pm

Count Dooku wrote:Poor Dooku. He was a hell of a warrior. He saw through the lies of the Senate and the Jedi - albiet, it took the Darkside...

I wouldn't be too sympathetic. He was a xenophodic, classist, technophobic bigot who wanted to turn the galaxy into an Empire ruled by Force-empowered human males.

Still, I don't want to even think about how bad he felt on so many levels when Anakin's sabers were crossed over his neck and Palpatine gave the kill order.

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2006-02-17 11:43pm

Count Dooku wrote:Poor Dooku. He was a hell of a warrior. He saw through the lies of the Senate and the Jedi - albiet, it took the Darkside...

I don't think it takes the Darkside to see in problems in the system. Qui Jon saw roughtly the same thing, and he was a lightsider (gray Jedi if you will). Hell, Obi Wan was skeptical of the Senate and he was the Jedi poster boy.

Jedi Guardian · Post by **Jedi Guardian** » 2006-02-17 11:52pm

"Dooku relizes to late that he is just as disposable as Maul as Anikan brings the lightsabers across his neck." I don't remember were I got this but it true. Don't bother replying to this i'm not coming back to this post and only have a couple of hours left on Detroyer.

Count Dooku · Post by **Count Dooku** » 2006-02-18 02:26am

Knife wrote:
Count Dooku wrote:Poor Dooku. He was a hell of a warrior. He saw through the lies of the Senate and the Jedi - albiet, it took the Darkside...
I don't think it takes the Darkside to see in problems in the system. Qui Jon saw roughtly the same thing, and he was a lightsider (gray Jedi if you will). Hell, Obi Wan was skeptical of the Senate and he was the Jedi poster boy.

It's one thing to be skeptical, it's another thing to do something about it. If Obi-wan thought the Senate was truly corrupt, why would he fight a war for them? Justifiable suspicion should always be followed up with an investigation. The Jedi didn't seem to do much to fix Palpatine's extended reign. They could have, and should have asked him to step down the moment his term was up.

Tiriol · Post by **Tiriol** » 2006-02-18 05:05am

Count Dooku wrote:
Knife wrote:
Count Dooku wrote:Poor Dooku. He was a hell of a warrior. He saw through the lies of the Senate and the Jedi - albiet, it took the Darkside...
I don't think it takes the Darkside to see in problems in the system. Qui Jon saw roughtly the same thing, and he was a lightsider (gray Jedi if you will). Hell, Obi Wan was skeptical of the Senate and he was the Jedi poster boy.
It's one thing to be skeptical, it's another thing to do something about it. If Obi-wan thought the Senate was truly corrupt, why would he fight a war for them? Justifiable suspicion should always be followed up with an investigation. The Jedi didn't seem to do much to fix Palpatine's extended reign. They could have, and should have asked him to step down the moment his term was up.

But they could NOT do so. The democratically elected Senate had extended Palpatine's reign until such time when the Separatist crisis was over. If the Jedi would have asked/demanded him to step down, they would have acted unconstitutionally (much like Master Windu did, anyway, later on) and such a demand was clearly beyond their jurisdiction, otherwise Palpatine could not have called the Jedi traitors in RotS. They were essentially a highly effective and glorified police force and so far as I know it is not the police who ask the head of state to step down - it is the Parliament/Senate/represantive bodies.

Yes, the Jedi could have ASKED him to step down ("Your Excellency, we think that your extended rule is not so good idea, could you please step down?") but it would be nothing else. There's a huge and dangerous crisis going on and if the Jedi start to act hostile towards the head of state, demanding his departure from office, it is sure to cause even more uncertainty. And there are existing cases of democratic bodies extending someone's stay in the office until such time when a huge crisis is over (Finland, for example, retained its President Risto Ryti as the President during the Continuation War because Presidential elections would put people in danger and could cause confusion and uncertainty in a country engaged in war).

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2006-02-18 05:58am

Count Dooku wrote:
Knife wrote:
Count Dooku wrote:Poor Dooku. He was a hell of a warrior. He saw through the lies of the Senate and the Jedi - albiet, it took the Darkside...
I don't think it takes the Darkside to see in problems in the system. Qui Jon saw roughtly the same thing, and he was a lightsider (gray Jedi if you will). Hell, Obi Wan was skeptical of the Senate and he was the Jedi poster boy.
It's one thing to be skeptical, it's another thing to do something about it. If Obi-wan thought the Senate was truly corrupt, why would he fight a war for them? Justifiable suspicion should always be followed up with an investigation. The Jedi didn't seem to do much to fix Palpatine's extended reign. They could have, and should have asked him to step down the moment his term was up.

not hijack this thread, but it's because Sidious had made it a no-win situation (either the Jedi would branded outlaws for steping out of their jurisdiction or go along with Palpatine)

as for Dooku after Maul Sidious needed somebody to be the final "test" for Anakin, plus a figure head for the CIS.

Cos Dashit · Post by **Cos Dashit** » 2006-02-18 04:39pm

Do you think that Sidious taught Dooku how to use Force-lightning just to challenge Anakin's skill?

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2006-02-18 07:49pm

Cos Dashit wrote:Do you think that Sidious taught Dooku how to use Force-lightning just to challenge Anakin's skill?

I'm sure he had to teach Dooku something, to sate him and make him Sidious' patsy.

Cos Dashit · Post by **Cos Dashit** » 2006-02-18 10:52pm

The funniest part about it was that Dooku had absolutely no idea. The look on his face in RotS when his head was between Anakin's sabers: priceless.

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2006-02-18 11:16pm

Cos Dashit wrote:The funniest part about it was that Dooku had absolutely no idea. The look on his face in RotS when his head was between Anakin's sabers: priceless.

It's funny that the Sith are constantly making fun of the Jedi and their 'arrogance', yet the Sith display the same fault.

loomer · Post by **loomer** » 2006-02-19 02:07am

On the subject of, admittedly only loosely related, grey jedi, it appears that the majority of powerful Jedi in the Universe have been Grey Jedi. Luke Skywalked her to repeatedly use the Dark Side. Mace Windu with his technique of simply channeling the Dark Side through himself no doubt required some knowledge of the Dark Side, and even Yoda had probed it. Obi Wan, if I'm not mistaken, used the dark side extremely briefly in his fight with Maul before correcting himself, but even then, it remains a certain level of less than perfect Light Sidedness.

Cykeisme · Post by **Cykeisme** » 2006-02-19 02:49pm

I think the qualities that made Dooku a prime candidate were not his skills in battle (though his powers were, of course, a huge plus), but his diplomatic abilities. He was absolutely critical in the construction of the Confederacy of Independent Systems, and thus pivotal in the orchestration of the Clone Wars (the war itself being a vital part of the master plan).

Jason von Evil · Post by **Jason von Evil** » 2006-02-19 03:18pm

Knife wrote: Dooku got played, and played bad.

You could almost say he got served.

I had to say that.

Anyways, Dooku was probably as old or older than Palpatine, so it wouldn't have done Palp much service to have a geriatric suceed him as Master.

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2006-02-19 04:31pm

Yeah, as you get older your midichlorians decrease. Thankfully Dooku was taking midichlorian supplements via money he was funneling off the CIS coffers. Palpatine was wise to his scheme though and had him offed...

Cos Dashit · Post by **Cos Dashit** » 2006-02-19 05:11pm

Midichlorian supplements? If you took these, could you become more attuned to the Force?

Count Dooku · Post by **Count Dooku** » 2006-02-19 05:45pm

Cykeisme wrote:I think the qualities that made Dooku a prime candidate were not his skills in battle (though his powers were, of course, a huge plus), but his diplomatic abilities. He was absolutely critical in the construction of the Confederacy of Independent Systems, and thus pivotal in the orchestration of the Clone Wars (the war itself being a vital part of the master plan).

I think this, more than anything else, is correct. Dooku was VERY charasmatic, and got a pretty sizable and powerful portion of the galaxy to 'rally to their cause'.

Noble Ire · Post by **Noble Ire** » 2006-02-19 06:17pm

Kurgan wrote:Yeah, as you get older your midichlorians decrease. Thankfully Dooku was taking midichlorian supplements via money he was funneling off the CIS coffers. Palpatine was wise to his scheme though and had him offed...

Source?

...if you must keep on making these off-color jokes at random times, could you at least add a smiley or two? It's what their for.

Jason von Evil · Post by **Jason von Evil** » 2006-02-19 10:38pm

Cos Dashit wrote:Midichlorian supplements? If you took these, could you become more attuned to the Force?

No, but it'll make your "lightsaber" longer.

Cos Dashit · Post by **Cos Dashit** » 2006-02-19 10:52pm

Jason von Evil wrote:
Cos Dashit wrote:Midichlorian supplements? If you took these, could you become more attuned to the Force?
No, but it'll make your "lightsaber" longer.

I wasn't even aware that there were Midichlorian supplements. That's like steriods for Jedi.

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2006-02-20 12:34am

Noble Ire wrote:
Kurgan wrote:Yeah, as you get older your midichlorians decrease. Thankfully Dooku was taking midichlorian supplements via money he was funneling off the CIS coffers. Palpatine was wise to his scheme though and had him offed...
Source?

...if you must keep on making these off-color jokes at random times, could you at least add a smiley or two? It's what their for.

You thought I was joking?

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