If ST was capable of the following, how would they do?

[OmegaGuy]

If the ST side was capable of:

- Warp strafing

- Accurate targeting and no weapon power degradation at hundreds of thousands of kilometers

- Sublight combat speeds in excess of 0.5c

How much better would they do?

[SirNitram]

None can really stop the Empire from simply hyperspacing over Earth and demanding the surrender of the UFP in exchange for not flattening the planet. Indeed, since their weapons are too weak to breach Imperial shields, none of the tactics would help at all. Any ship which evades destruction would simply be told that one city will be annihilated for every minute they continue to harass Imperial ships.

[Batman]

If the ST side was capable of:
- Warp strafing
- Accurate targeting and no weapon power degradation at hundreds of thousands of kilometers
- Sublight combat speeds in excess of 0.5c
How much better would they do?

Against whom? As this is in ST vs SW I assume against Wars in which case the answer is not at all. The firepower/resilience difference is just too vast.

[OmegaGuy]

Yeah, I meant against SW.

[LaCroix]

Warp strafing ST ships?

GLOB FLIES!

You can't hit them, but they need days with hundreds of ships to be a real threat (an then, they possibly would ram each other while conducting strafing runs on a ingle ship)

Maybe a tractor beam could catch them when soaring by? Are they still affected by real objects when in warp (ramming planets), if yes, one or more tractor beams would be capable topull them out of warp. If they are not destroyed by that, wepons would do the rest.

When not, just use the "one shot, one city" tactic.


Targeting at long range:

Ok, you have a long-range Blowpipe against a long-range Bazooka ( I think the power difference fits) Big Deal.


Sublight speeds of 0,5c:

Faster flying debris.

[Doctor Doom]

Starfleet would lose at speeds exceeding 0.5c. That's all, folks.

[Omega-185]

In order for Star Trek to be competitive in vs debates with Star Wars (unless you are debating on a EU=non-canon forum) Star Trek needs:

1.Fleet wide upgrade to slipstream/transwarp/other FTL drive that is comparable to hyperspace.

2. Gigaton level weapons and stronger shields and the power to surport them

3. A much larger fleet

4. The political will to create and use WMD

5. A fully equipted Army

With that the debate might be fair.

[brianeyci]

They'll never be competitive even if everything you say Omega-185 comes true because of something this guy said. Try and guess what it was.



And because of this.



Brian

[NecronLord]

They'll never be competitive even if everything you say Omega-185 comes true because of something this guy said.

Ten thousand planets isn't all that impressive. Kirk stated that humans were on a thousand planets, after all. Now Tarkin's 'Million Star Systems' quote, that's impressive.

[Darth Wong]

They'll never be competitive even if everything you say Omega-185 comes true because of something this guy said.

Ten thousand planets isn't all that impressive. Kirk stated that humans were on a thousand planets, after all. Now Tarkin's 'Million Star Systems' quote, that's impressive.

Ten thousand planets isn't all that impressive by itself, but casually mentioning the addition of these ten thousand planets to the Confederacy without even warranting the introduction of a new member to the ruling council or for that matter, even bothering to name the region or group affiliation they belong to? That's a bit more impressive.

[brianeyci]

Actually the whole argument is summed up by that picture of the Death Star (or a piece of it) beside the Borg Cube and Enterprise-E... does anybody have a link to that picture? It's the one with the Enterprise nearly a pinprick and you only see one hemisphere of the Death Star.

Brian

[OmegaGuy]

No, but you can go to www.merzo.net for ship scalings, including the Enterprise and Death Star

[Surlethe]

No, but you can go to www.merzo.net for ship scalings, including the Enterprise and Death Star

Of course, the Death Stars there are not to scale with the movies.

[PayBack]

Considering FTL sensors, wouldn't it still be possible to hit ST ships in warp. They're not known for evasive maneuvers at warp so why couldn't a targeting computer just give them an fn lot of lead?

[Stark]

Of course, the Death Stars there are not to scale with the movies.

The site characterises scaling off the movies (instead of using WEG stats) 'contraversial'. That says it all about the whole site, really.

[Surlethe]

Of course, the Death Stars there are not to scale with the movies.

The site characterises scaling off the movies (instead of using WEG stats) 'contraversial'. That says it all about the whole site, really.

To be fair, he does include a link to the SWTC in the Death Star profiles; however, I don't see why he bowed to pressure and removed the canon numbers.

[Stark]

To be fair, he does include a link to the SWTC in the Death Star profiles; however, I don't see why he bowed to pressure and removed the canon numbers.

I actually think that makes it worse: he doesn't discount the SWTC scaling (for instance, how many OTHER items have links to different sizes? Do ANY?) but he leaves the numbers there due to the furore that's kicked up every time anyone talks about it on the forums. Basically, he seems to be a bit of a pussy about the whole thing.

[Darth Wong]

In short, he treats the size numbers as politically negotiable quantities rather than objectively determinable quantities. He might as well just have people vote on it.

[Stark]

In short, he treats the size numbers as politically negotiable quantities rather than objectively determinable quantities. He might as well just have people vote on it.

That's basically what he's done: using the canon sizes choked his forum with trolling, so rather than deal with it he put the sizes back to the old WEG ones with a backhanded 'oh and SWTC thinks it's this size' link on it. Mob scaling.

[Vympel]

What about the recent change to the SW Databank so that the Executor is acknowledged to be ~19km long? What possible argument is there for the bullfuckery of the official sizes anymore?

[Stark]

No idea: to be honest, though, I've never understood why a SW fan should become more attached to the support literature than the movies themselves. It seems very common for something so inexplicable.

[OmegaGuy]

Well I just like the site because you can compare a bunch of different ships next to each other, even though not all of them may be accurate.

[Crossroads Inc.]

I have to say that on the subject of Merzo it's a bit sad. About 5 months ago there was a rather active, newly growing forum that a lot of peeps where using to make pics for the main page of various ships. I was actually one of two mods that was appointed and talked with the Admin regulary.

One day I went on and the Forum was gone. No E-mail no warning, no message, just go. I sent several E-mails to the Admin and the other mod and niether one of us ever got any responses.

The fact that he actually removed the ongoing update log from the main site and replaced it with a Static generalized statment about the site makes me sadly think somethign may have happend and he just wanted not to deal with it anymore.

The last time I actually spoke with him, he was talking about how he was excited about the next update and there was going to be a rather sizeable list of ships added... Two weeks after that the forum shutdown, Alas...