Tactics

[Alyrium Denryle]

Except. That the rabbit could be the White Rabit from Monty Python and the Holy Grail. In which case your attempt at sybolism is mute. It would take 100 defiANTS 14.9 hours of continuous fire to take down an ISDs sheilds. That is assuming they fire contiuously, have enough torps, the ISD not firing back, using the bare miniumum calcs for SW provided by MR. bean. A TIE bomber could in all likelyhood take out a GCS. The federation is screwed.

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

Fuck you stupid troll. You totally twisted Mike Wong's Empire.

[Ender]

Post an actual argument or leave.

[Sovereign]

From the plot created above, lts look at the Technology involved...

Not all Alliance ships could be fitted with this technology in such a short time, so ships would have to be chosen. The best choices would be the Sovereign, Galaxy, Defiant, Prometheus, Akira, Negh'Var, Vorcha, BOP, D'deridex, and Valdore Classes.

Ships would be fitted with Transphasic Torpedoes, for this simple reason...

You claim that a Turbo Laser would destroy a Borg ship in one shot, so if Transphasic Torpedoes can do the same, they must be equal in strength, or at least somewhere in the energy range.




The Transphasic Torpedoes fitted in Akira Class vessels will make the very powerful.

In the Range of New Shields, the Coaxial Warp Core will be very useful. The Coaxial Warp Core runs in pretty much the same way as a Hyperdrive system, NR engineers would be able to adapt in some ways. With the new core, the ships will be able to adapt their shields to mach the NR Capitol ships and would now have a fighting chance.

You cannot disbalieve any of this info, because although you will disagree with the Aliance and Shareing of Technology, This entire plot is based around that of SD.NET, so in a way, I am playing by the correct rules layed down by Mr. Wong.

[Ghost Rider]

And this means what...to the ISD...oh that's right

Shit

So please provide something more than I saw this on Voyager=death to the EMPIRE!!!!

[Ender]

From the plot created above, lts look at the Technology involved...

Not all Alliance ships could be fitted with this technology in such a short time, so ships would have to be chosen. The best choices would be the Sovereign, Galaxy, Defiant, Prometheus, Akira, Negh'Var, Vorcha, BOP, D'deridex, and Valdore Classes.

Ships would be fitted with Transphasic Torpedoes, for this simple reason...

You claim that a Turbo Laser would destroy a Borg ship in one shot, so if Transphasic Torpedoes can do the same, they must be equal in strength, or at least somewhere in the energy range.
http://www.ditl.org/gptz/GTransphasic2.jpg

You are fucking stupid. Look at you own pic that you consider a legitimate argument: There more then one torp there.

The Transphasic Torpedoes fitted in Akira Class vessels will make the very powerful.

Funny how they don't put them into mass production for Nemesis then, isn't it? After all, if they had the capability to mass produce and install those suckers, why wouldn't the flagship be the first to get them, particularily when we already know it just got some big modifications.

In the Range of New Shields, the Coaxial Warp Core will be very useful. The Coaxial Warp Core runs in pretty much the same way as a Hyperdrive system, NR engineers would be able to adapt in some ways. With the new core, the ships will be able to adapt their shields to mach the NR Capitol ships and would now have a fighting chance.

The Coaxial Warp core is nothing similar to hyperdrive, which crosses dimensions to work and

You cannot disbalieve any of this info,

Yes, I can because you don't have a clue about what you are talking about.

because although you will disagree with the Aliance and Shareing of Technology, This entire plot is based around that of SD.NET, so in a way, I am playing by the correct rules layed down by Mr. Wong.

No, because you still require NR engineers to do all the work for you.

[beyond hope]

I did not give up on Species 8472, its just that the topic is going off cource, so I have created this one...

"Waaaaaahhhhh... I couldn't refute anything on that thread!"

STAR WARS TACTICS

During the ROTJ, Vader and the Emperor knew of the Rebels landing on Endor, they did nothing, considering them to be, "No Matter" This was a big mistake, they were stronger than to be believed. I am sure the Empire would have known about Ewoks while building the Generator?

The rebels weren't stronger than believed, they were luckier. You did catch the part where there was an entire legion of Stormtroopers on Endor, right? The only thing that saved the rebellion's asses on the ground there was the totally unexpected intervention of the Ewoks on their behalf. And yes, of course the Empire knew the Ewoks were there: did you stop and think that if the Ewoks had at any time threatened the security of that installation, that the Empire would have summarily exterminated them? Could it be, in fact, that the shock of the garrison to the Ewoks' appearance was that they had previously given the Empire no trouble at all?

The Death Star was a "fully operational battle station" but she never did fire any of her weapons, except for her superlaser, which was only seen firing once. If she was strong enough to take on an attacking Capital Fleet, then why didnt she?

Once again your memory of the events seems to be lacking. I remember the Death Star blowing up enemy ships quite handily using the superlaser. Plus, If you pay some attention when the starfighter attack on the main reactor stars, you'll see turbolaser turrets firing on the fighters as they make their run. So much for that...

They relyed on the planets shield generator too much, the stations built in generator should have been one of the first things completed. But of course they did cunderstamate the Rebels.

The shield seemed to be holding off the rebels very well until events down on the moon's surface took a bizarre turn.

The Super Star Destroyer was too close to such a big station. They were so stupid, they had little time to activate a secondary bridge before gravity got the best of them.

Maybe they were close to the Death Star to establish a defensive perimeter after the shield went down?

As stated in the Thrawn Trilogy, the Emperor had mental control over the Empire. One reason they were so strong. When he died the remaining imperial forces did not know what to do. This is all due to the Emperors overconfidence, and inability to read Vaders mind.

That dumb, overconfident Emperor, using the Dark Side to direct the actions of his officers like that. Hmmm... except it worked. The Rebellion was barely surviving: Endor was planned as the last battle to crush them for good. If not for some amazing luck on the part of the Rebels, it would have worked.

think in a Star Trek/Star Wars conflict would result in this way...

1. The feds meet Empire, empire fascinated by humans FROM ANOTHER GALAXY,
2. Technology exchange
3. Empire bullys alien member of Federation.
4. Federation does not like this, Empire attacks and crushes them.
5. Federation/Klingon/Romulan/Cardassian/Gorn/Tholian/Kelvan/ Alliance goes into hiding, prepairing for War
6. The Rebels discover the new Galaxy when the Empire sends the Death Star to it.
7. Rebels make contact with Alpha Quadrent Alliance.
8. technology exchange once again.
9. War Begines...

The more realistic version:

1. Federation and Empire meet: Federation is fascinated by evidence of humans from another galaxy who share a common language, while the Empire sees a new galaxy ripe for conquest.
2. Empire invades and annexes the Federation in a matter of weeks, along with the rest of the Alpha Quadrant.
3. Empire brings Alpha Quadrant to heel (aside from isolated pockets of resistance) within a few months. With a quarter of the galaxy under it's control, plans are made to crush the Dominion and the Borg assuming they've stayed out of the conflict thus far.

[Ender]

Incidently, on the topic of TL and torp strength, the TL vaporizes the cube. There is still alot of structure left after multiple torpedo hits. Clearly there is a huge power gulf.

[Sovereign]

And this means what...to the ISD...oh that's right

Shit

So please provide something more than I saw this on Voyager=death to the EMPIRE!!!!

Well, you asume this will happen to a Borg ship by a single bolt from an ISD. But this is only specuation, built up by a Star Wars fan using Mathmatical Calculations, but like you said, "I saw it on Voyager" and in your own terminology, this makes it Canon. So if we see the Borg ship get hit bt a Transphasic Torpedo and explode, and I will atempt to agree with this websites technical data, then you must also agree that the Transphasic Torpdo will be equal to a Turbolaser.

[Ender]

Well, you asume this will happen to a Borg ship by a single bolt from an ISD. But this is only specuation, built up by a Star Wars fan using Mathmatical Calculations, but like you said, "I saw it on Voyager" and in your own terminology, this makes it Canon. So if we see the Borg ship get hit bt a Transphasic Torpedo and explode, and I will atempt to agree with this websites technical data, then you must also agree that the Transphasic Torpdo will be equal to a Turbolaser.

No dumbass.

A single TL vaporizes a cube.

Multiple TTs blow it into large pieces.

Huge difference in energy there.

[Crom]

Ships would be fitted with Transphasic Torpedoes, for this simple reason...

You claim that a Turbo Laser would destroy a Borg ship in one shot, so if Transphasic Torpedoes can do the same, they must be equal in strength, or at least somewhere in the energy range.

The turbolaser claim has been supported with numbers. Your picture of a borg cube being destroyed doesn't prove much of anything in terms of energy ranges. It could be quite possible that all the torpedo did was hit the borg equivalent of a warp core and ... well ... everyone knows what happens when warp cores get kicked.

The Transphasic Torpedoes fitted in Akira Class vessels will make the very powerful.

Okay. How about this: Turbolasers fitted on an Imperial Stardestroyer will make the very powerful. Understand?

So let's assume, for the moment, that a transphasic torpedo has the damaging power of a turbolaser. A ISD has hundreds of TLs. And the Empire has thousands of ISDs. Mounting two torpedo launchers roughly equivalent to a turbolaser on a handful of ships will do next to nothing.

In the Range of New Shields, the Coaxial Warp Core will be very useful. The Coaxial Warp Core runs in pretty much the same way as a Hyperdrive system, NR engineers would be able to adapt in some ways. With the new core, the ships will be able to adapt their shields to mach the NR Capitol ships and would now have a fighting chance.

So let me get this straight ...

Coaxial Warp Core = Hyperdrive => NR adapts Coaxial WC
=> Ships better to match NR ships

What in the hell are you talking about? You're making all kinds of unsupported leaps to conclusion.

You cannot disbalieve any of this info, because although you will disagree with the Aliance and Shareing of Technology, This entire plot is based around that of SD.NET, so in a way, I am playing by the correct rules layed down by Mr. Wong.

I roll to disbelieve. Look, I rolled a four. Huzzah.

As for the rules:
As far as I can tell they include nothing on technology sharing.

"Post-ROTJ Empire finds wormhole to Star Trek galaxy."

So once again you have no leg to stand on. Hard to walk, huh?

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

From the plot created above, lts look at the Technology involved...

Not all Alliance ships could be fitted with this technology in such a short time, so ships would have to be chosen. The best choices would be the Sovereign, Galaxy, Defiant, Prometheus, Akira, Negh'Var, Vorcha, BOP, D'deridex, and Valdore Classes.

Ships would be fitted with Transphasic Torpedoes, for this simple reason...

You claim that a Turbo Laser would destroy a Borg ship in one shot, so if Transphasic Torpedoes can do the same, they must be equal in strength, or at least somewhere in the energy range.

A 16" round, a 9mm round, and mustard gas will all kill you. They must be equal strength.

The Transphasic Torpedoes fitted in Akira Class vessels will make the very powerful.

In the Range of New Shields, the Coaxial Warp Core will be very useful. The Coaxial Warp Core runs in pretty much the same way as a Hyperdrive system, NR engineers would be able to adapt in some ways. With the new core, the ships will be able to adapt their shields to mach the NR Capitol ships and would now have a fighting chance.

They don't have Coaxial warp cores dumbass.

You cannot disbalieve any of this info, because although you will disagree with the Aliance and Shareing of Technology, This entire plot is based around that of SD.NET, so in a way, I am playing by the correct rules layed down by Mr. Wong.

YOU FUCKING TWISTED THE PLOT YOU LITTLE LIAR!

[Sovereign]

The rebels weren't stronger than believed, they were luckier. You did catch the part where there was an entire legion of Stormtroopers on Endor, right? The only thing that saved the rebellion's asses on the ground there was the totally unexpected intervention of the Ewoks on their behalf. And yes, of course the Empire knew the Ewoks were there: did you stop and think that if the Ewoks had at any time threatened the security of that installation, that the Empire would have summarily exterminated them? Could it be, in fact, that the shock of the garrison to the Ewoks' appearance was that they had previously given the Empire no trouble at all?

Thanks for agreeing with me, the entire point I was trying to make is the Empire was stupid, and underestimated the power or LUCK of the Rebels.

Once again your memory of the events seems to be lacking. I remember the Death Star blowing up enemy ships quite handily using the superlaser. Plus, If you pay some attention when the starfighter attack on the main reactor stars, you'll see turbolaser turrets firing on the fighters as they make their run. So much for that...

So the Death Star killed two ships and shot at fighters, that already out maneuver the towers. Big deal, I was talking about the fact that the heavy Turbolasers were built to destroy attacking Capital Ships. Which they did not, except for the two.

The shield seemed to be holding off the rebels very well until events down on the moon's surface took a bizarre turn.

Stupidity

Maybe they were close to the Death Star to establish a defensive perimeter after the shield went down?

Wow, that worked very well

That dumb, overconfident Emperor, using the Dark Side to direct the actions of his officers like that. Hmmm... except it worked. The Rebellion was barely surviving: Endor was planned as the last battle to crush them for good. If not for some amazing luck on the part of the Rebels, it would have worked.

Um, that did not work, the Emperor was so full of himself, he did not know of Vaders turn of emotion. Remember Vader always planned to overthrough the Emperor, that is why Vader told Luke, "We Can Rule The Galaxy As Father And Son!"

You are fucking stupid. Look at you own pic that you consider a legitimate argument: There more then one torp there.

Two torpedoes destroyed the first cube, the second cube was destroyed by a SINGLE TORPEDO. The Queen had made the third ship retreat.

Funny how they don't put them into mass production for Nemesis then, isn't it? After all, if they had the capability to mass produce and install those suckers, why wouldn't the flagship be the first to get them, particularily when we already know it just got some big modifications.

The Dominion War is over, there is no need, but when they encounter the NR and see the Technology they have, and the Technology the Empire will have, then the only way they can survive an joined attack is to start fitting the ships with Transphasic Torpedoes. Not to mention the movie would be 5 minutes long if the Enterprise could destroy a Enemy ship in one hit.

The Coaxial Warp core is nothing similar to hyperdrive, which crosses dimensions to work and

The Coaxial Warp core creates a fold in the fabric of space, allowing a ship to fly at speed 100 times faster that Warp. If they do not work the same way, the results are the same.

The only reason the Empire lost was because Vader killed the Emperor. If the Death Star had been destroyed but the Empire had still been alive, there's little doubt he would have escaped. The loss of the DS2 itself was a drop in the ocean, and was simply a massive trap to lure the Rebels. The Emperor's greatest mistake was in overestimating the hold of the Dark Side on Anakin Skywalker.

Wow, they failed too. Give it up, no matter how pathetic you see the Rebellion, in the End the Empire fell.

[Sovereign]

Well, you asume this will happen to a Borg ship by a single bolt from an ISD. But this is only specuation, built up by a Star Wars fan using Mathmatical Calculations, but like you said, "I saw it on Voyager" and in your own terminology, this makes it Canon. So if we see the Borg ship get hit bt a Transphasic Torpedo and explode, and I will atempt to agree with this websites technical data, then you must also agree that the Transphasic Torpdo will be equal to a Turbolaser.

No dumbass.

A single TL vaporizes a cube.

Multiple TTs blow it into large pieces.

Huge difference in energy there.

There is no way it could vaporize it, the ship is hollow, that meens the bolt would tear through its armor (if you even added that to the ecuation) and go through the other side, probably tearing the ship in two. But then again, if 80 % of a cube is bestroyed, the ship can still operate at 100 % efficiancy.

[Exonerate]

Well, you asume this will happen to a Borg ship by a single bolt from an ISD. But this is only specuation, built up by a Star Wars fan using Mathmatical Calculations, but like you said, "I saw it on Voyager" and in your own terminology, this makes it Canon. So if we see the Borg ship get hit bt a Transphasic Torpedo and explode, and I will atempt to agree with this websites technical data, then you must also agree that the Transphasic Torpdo will be equal to a Turbolaser.

No dumbass.

A single TL vaporizes a cube.

Multiple TTs blow it into large pieces.

Huge difference in energy there.

There is no way it could vaporize it, the ship is hollow, that meens the bolt would tear through its armor (if you even added that to the ecuation) and go through the other side, probably tearing the ship in two. But then again, if 80 % of a cube is bestroyed, the ship can still operate at 100 % efficiancy.

No way it can still function at 100% efficiency... If it could, then whats the point of all the extra space?

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

Well, you asume this will happen to a Borg ship by a single bolt from an ISD. But this is only specuation, built up by a Star Wars fan using Mathmatical Calculations, but like you said, "I saw it on Voyager" and in your own terminology, this makes it Canon. So if we see the Borg ship get hit bt a Transphasic Torpedo and explode, and I will atempt to agree with this websites technical data, then you must also agree that the Transphasic Torpdo will be equal to a Turbolaser.

No dumbass.

A single TL vaporizes a cube.

Multiple TTs blow it into large pieces.

Huge difference in energy there.

There is no way it could vaporize it, the ship is hollow, that meens the bolt would tear through its armor (if you even added that to the ecuation) and go through the other side, probably tearing the ship in two. But then again, if 80 % of a cube is bestroyed, the ship can still operate at 100 % efficiancy.

Bullshit. Did TLs simply go through fighters? Through Alderaan?

And the cubes in FC and Scorpion weren't looking 100% effiency.

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

And prove Borg Boxs have any armour.

[Ghost Rider]

I still want him to disprove the complete disintergration of the asteroid in ESB.

I mean the TL is more than enough destroy it...why didn't it just go on and make a clean hole?

[Sovereign]

And the cubes in FC and Scorpion weren't looking 100% effiency.

The ships in FC and Scorpion were not blown into chucks that could work in that manner, they were blown 100 % into Pieces

No way it can still function at 100% efficiency... If it could, then whats the point of all the extra space?

Capture and assimilate new ships...

They don't have Coaxial warp cores dumbass.

They have seen the Technology, they have a therory of how it works, NP Engineers would give them hand.

Okay. How about this: Turbolasers fitted on an Imperial Stardestroyer will make the very powerful. Understand?

So let's assume, for the moment, that a transphasic torpedo has the damaging power of a turbolaser. A ISD has hundreds of TLs. And the Empire has thousands of ISDs. Mounting two torpedo launchers roughly equivalent to a turbolaser on a handful of ships will do next to nothing.

The plot is based off of SD.NET's plot, and we know this takes place decades after Endor, so they DO NOT HAVE 1000s OF SHIPS< ONLY A HANDFUL OF ABOUT 100 OR MORE, PLUS THE ONES CONSTRUCTED IN THE GAMMA QUADRENT.

YOU FUCKING TWISTED THE PLOT YOU LITTLE LIAR!

What? He never finished it, he only created Calculations for the Old Empire.

[beyond hope]

you asume this will happen to a Borg ship by a single bolt from an ISD. But this is only specuation, built up by a Star Wars fan using Mathmatical Calculations, but like you said, "I saw it on Voyager" and in your own terminology, this makes it Canon. So if we see the Borg ship get hit bt a Transphasic Torpedo and explode, and I will atempt to agree with this websites technical data, then you must also agree that the Transphasic Torpdo will be equal to a Turbolaser.

If you don't like the numbers for the relative strengths of Star Wars and Star Trek ships, maybe you should sit down and calculate them yourself and see what they come out to.

As far as the transphasic torpedos go, they're killing a cube through technobabble, not through firepower. It's like putting up a cardboard target, firing a .22 pistol and a tank gun at it, and saying "see?! they have the same firepower, they both made holes!"

[Sovereign]

I mean the TL is more than enough destroy it...why didn't it just go on and make a clean hole?

If you will see the Bolt is bigger than the Asteroid, and the ISD has a lot of power to fire that one shot.

And prove Borg Boxs have any armour.

Duh, Borg ships assimilate other ships, add technology to their hull, as seen in the first encounter with a Cube, they can heal like an animal as well. Not to mention Borg TACTICAL CUBES.

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

And the cubes in FC and Scorpion weren't looking 100% effiency.

The ships in FC and Scorpion were not blown into chucks that could work in that manner, they were blown 100 % into Pieces

I talking about when they were damaged.

They don't have Coaxial warp cores dumbass.

They have seen the Technology, they have a therory of how it works, NP Engineers would give them hand.

Seen!=can build it. I haven't seen any transwarp SF ships. And you can't just say "THE NR WILL HELP THEM!"

Okay. How about this: Turbolasers fitted on an Imperial Stardestroyer will make the very powerful. Understand?

What?

And turbolasers need POWER.

YOU FUCKING TWISTED THE PLOT YOU LITTLE LIAR!

What? He never finished it, he only created Calculations for the Old Empire.

Read his fanfic.

[Ghost Rider]

Is he trying harder to look dumber?

I mean so far all he spews is pointless "I see this...thus it must be true!" and twists to make things look like they aren't in his point of view.

I mean what exactly are you saying...because of RoTJ I'll make the leap of logic that states the Alpha power rangers will unite and fend of the Evil Empire...even though they aren't even in the same level of power...combined?

Even though the tech is incompatible...hey Feddie tech will be ingenious enough to obviously reverse engineer any piece of NR or Empire tech?

And even though 200GT is enough to vaporize a Cube...no way because distribution of energy in my world states it would make a clean hole?

[Sovereign]

I talking about when they were damaged.

They were fighting back, and they were reparing a damaged section, Picard could only hear them and know where to hit.

[Captain tycho]

I mean the TL is more than enough destroy it...why didn't it just go on and make a clean hole?

If you will see the Bolt is bigger than the Asteroid, and the ISD has a lot of power to fire that one shot.

And prove Borg Boxs have any armour.

Duh, Borg ships assimilate other ships, add technology to their hull, as seen in the first encounter with a Cube, they can heal like an animal as well. Not to mention Borg TACTICAL CUBES.

This Borg 'healing' process has been put down long ago.
Come up with a new arguement once in awhile.
Or do you simply install a program that bombards us with idiotic Trekkie statements in your computer?