Better name for Borg cubes

[Isolder74]

Note: apology to any concerned, but my internet time is extremely limited, otherwise I'd go into further detail and with alot more evidence...I'm currently stuck to short bursts of internet time between work and a faulty internet connection...

[sarcasm]Hit And Run I see[/sarcasm]

Seriously the Mass of a borg cube compaired to its volume results in alot of empty space. 28 Km^3 is alot of space buddy

[Robert Walper]

[sarcasm]Hit And Run I see[/sarcasm]

Sorry for the inconvience, but that is not my intention. Take it or leave it.

Seriously the Mass of a borg cube compaired to its volume results in alot of empty space. 28 Km^3 is alot of space buddy

Yeah, that is alot of empty space. What's your point? I merely ups the power of the actual Borg vessel that exists, and leaves plenty of room for enemy ships to be housed and assimilated, since tractoring leaves them vulnerable to enemy fire, would force the Borg to potentally alter their warp fields to emcompass, and we don't even know if tractoring vessels at transwarp is possible, especially if the tranwarp stress would kill them...

[NecronLord]

A small Borg scoutship (like the one Hugh was on) wheighs IIRC 1.5 million tonnes. I wonder just how much a full sized Borg ship weighs.

2.5 million metric tonnes

http://www.stinsv.com/TNg/Data/borgship.wav

from the same episode.

[Robert Walper]

A small Borg scoutship (like the one Hugh was on) wheighs IIRC 1.5 million tonnes. I wonder just how much a full sized Borg ship weighs.

2.5 million metric tonnes

http://www.stinsv.com/TNg/Data/borgship.wav

from the same episode.

And doesn't Data say that the vessel's is a scout class ship identical to the one crashed? That's how I recall it...go go Borg hull density!

[Isolder74]

A small Borg scoutship (like the one Hugh was on) wheighs IIRC 1.5 million tonnes. I wonder just how much a full sized Borg ship weighs.

2.5 million metric tonnes

http://www.stinsv.com/TNg/Data/borgship.wav

from the same episode.

Which results in 0.18 Kg/m^3

Not very dense at all

[NecronLord]

As I recall that was a full size cube, not a scout. Someone go check, I'm off now...

[Isolder74]

Density of Borg Cube = 1.8 x 10^-4 g/cm^3

Density of Hydrogen at STP = 8.375 x 10^-5 g/cm^3

Density of Helium at STP = 1.664 x 10^-4 g/cm^3
For your reference

Forgot units opps
damn no edit

[Warspite]

Density of Borg Cube = 1.8 x 10^-4 g/cm^3

Density of Hydrogen at STP = 8.375 x 10^-5 g/cm^3

Density of Helium at STP = 1.664 x 10^-4 g/cm^3
For your reference

Forgot units opps
damn no edit

What? SO, a Cube (or whatever it new name would be) floats on water?

[Isolder74]

Density of Borg Cube = 1.8 x 10^-4 g/cm^3

Density of Hydrogen at STP = 8.375 x 10^-5 g/cm^3

Density of Helium at STP = 1.664 x 10^-4 g/cm^3
For your reference

Forgot units opps
damn no edit

What? SO, a Cube (or whatever it new name would be) floats on water?

it would if not for all of the holes

[Isolder74]

So i guess we could call it "The Borg Gaseous Anamoly"

[Ghost Rider]

Hmmm giant cube of air?

Lime Jello cube with sticks?

[SirNitram]

So... A Cube's mass is almost entirely the gases contained within? Good grief.

[Isolder74]

So... A Cube's mass is almost entirely the gases contained within? Good grief.

Either that or it has large cavities of just pure vacume(Empty Space). Needless to say its Bark is indead bigger than its bite. It purpose of pure intimidation is comfirmed.

[Jadeite]

Borg Almost Cube maybe? Or how bout....Shitty Metal Box.

[Ghost Rider]

Chicklet?

[TheDarkling]

In reference to the cube of 2.5 million tonnes.

DATA
Its dimensions indicate that it
is a scout ship similar to the
one that crashed.

[Slartibartfast]

Wire Cube Shelving System of Death and Despair!

[Slartibartfast]

or Borg Latticeworks

[nightmare]

And here's the name for the sphere: Borg Bubble.

[Patrick Degan]

If we assume a Borg cube's true "solidity" is only 20%(with 22.4 cubic kilometers of nothing, that should satisfy hollow impressions), then we have a 600m cubical vessel that can slaughter 40 Federation ships without breaking a sweat, and apparently alot more as seen in ST:FC.

The only reason the cubeship at Wolf 359 had such an easy time with 40 Federation starships was that A) the fleet didn't bring quite enough firepower to the table at Wolf and B) Adm. Hanson's battle strategy was, to put it mildly, idiotic.

A carboard box with a hull that can withstand multimegaton blasts, going by your own figures Mr. Wong. My lower limit for Borg hull density is 6506.35 metric tons per cubic meter based upon evidence from ST:TNG "I, Borg". And let's not say that I assume this is effective with the entire Borg ship...I did specify hull.

If this is the case, then what explains the Enterprise's own phasers blasting out sections of the hull and blasting through the entire structure of the Borg cubeship at J-25 in "Hide And Q"? The evident answer is that the Borg cubeship's resistance to multimegaton blasts depends upon active forcefield defences rigged when the cubeship is at alert.

Since you've provided no basis on the hull density of Borg cubes in comparison to ISDs, your analogy is very unreliable from my view.

Unfortunately, the episode "Hide And Q" does not support the idea of Borg hull super resistance to multimegaton blasts without active forcefield protection in place.

[Robert Walper]

If we assume a Borg cube's true "solidity" is only 20%(with 22.4 cubic kilometers of nothing, that should satisfy hollow impressions), then we have a 600m cubical vessel that can slaughter 40 Federation ships without breaking a sweat, and apparently alot more as seen in ST:FC.

The only reason the cubeship at Wolf 359 had such an easy time with 40 Federation starships was that A) the fleet didn't bring quite enough firepower to the table at Wolf

Agreed.

and B) Adm. Hanson's battle strategy was, to put it mildly, idiotic.

I assume you refer to the errerous claim that the Federation fleet was making strafing runs in pairs?

I'm certain that the Federation fleet simply was not aware of the incoming trajetory of the borg cube and spread out accordingly to intercept the cube with at least a couple of ships while the others rushed in. After all, in "Best of Both Worlds", Worf said the Borg cube left "unusual eddy currents", and Data said they could indicate the path of the Borg ship. Riker then ordered a matching course. This clearly implies the Borg cube was not on a direct course for Earth as many assume, but scouting territory, which additonal explains the time it took to reach Earth.

A carboard box with a hull that can withstand multimegaton blasts, going by your own figures Mr. Wong. My lower limit for Borg hull density is 6506.35 metric tons per cubic meter based upon evidence from ST:TNG "I, Borg". And let's not say that I assume this is effective with the entire Borg ship...I did specify hull.

If this is the case, then what explains the Enterprise's own phasers blasting out sections of the hull and blasting through the entire structure of the Borg cubeship at J-25 in "Hide And Q"? The evident answer is that the Borg cubeship's resistance to multimegaton blasts depends upon active forcefield defences rigged when the cubeship is at alert.

Note: Episode in question is "Q, Who?", not "Hide and Q"...

As to the phaser aspect, this only indicates to me phaser firepower is underrated.

Since you've provided no basis on the hull density of Borg cubes in comparison to ISDs, your analogy is very unreliable from my view.

Unfortunately, the episode "Hide And Q" does not support the idea of Borg hull super resistance to multimegaton blasts without active forcefield protection in place.

Only if one accepts phasers being low megaton yields.

[Ghost Rider]

You have proof against low Megaton yields?

[beyond hope]

how about "Star Destroyer chew toys"?

[Robert Walper]

You have proof against low Megaton yields?

Off hand, not at the moment. However, the admitted bias of those who have so far done firepower figures for Trek makes me very dubious as to their objectivity. I'm not saying the Federation would win against the Empire, it's numbers and speed pretty much win that arguement. I merely feel that Trek ships have been done great injustice with their shield and firepower calcs on this site. For example, Mike Wong's phaser analysis makes no mention of structual integrity fields altering the affect phasers would have upon hulls. He simply concludes phasers are alot less effective against armor. And his torpedo analysis is based solely upon a Technical manual who's writers could have picked numbers out of the air, and have no canon status anyway. The majority of episode references for weaponry yields is in the kiloton range, and I don't dispute most of them. I merely dispute them being the maximum potentil for such weaponry.

[Ghost Rider]

So you feel that because he's biased of Wars he's gonna obviously screw Trek over?

Why?

I mean then everyone would harp upon and him and claim he's lying in his calculations...he actually does raw standards with asteroids and does it from a standpoint to which ultimatly one can see one shot from TL destroys one vs Riker claiming the ENTIRE Photon Torpedo deposit on the Enterprise would be needed to destroy the Pegasus Asteroid.

So where has Wong done such an injustice to low ending the ST gang?

...so far he himself is biased but does that affect his calculations because if it did...he would be shoting himself in the foot....but hell he's done more justice than the tech manuals ever did.