Office Web Filters

SLAM: debunk creationism, pseudoscience, and superstitions. Discuss logic and morality.

Moderator: Alyrium Denryle

User avatar
Lord Poe
Sith Apprentice
Posts: 6988
Joined: 2002-07-14 03:15am
Location: Callyfornia
Contact:

Office Web Filters

Post by Lord Poe »

Look at this!
The Websense category "Non-Traditional Religions and Occult and Folklore" is filtered.
I was looking up pictures for the "Evil Dead" Necronomicon!!

Anyone else have head-scratching content blocked at the office?
Image

"Brian, if I parked a supertanker in Central Park, painted it neon orange, and set it on fire, it would be less obvious than your stupidity." --RedImperator
User avatar
Natorgator
Jedi Knight
Posts: 856
Joined: 2003-04-26 08:23pm
Location: Atlanta, GA

Post by Natorgator »

I work for a local school system in the IT department. All of our computers are Dells, and parts of Dell's website are blocked :? Kinda makes it hard to look up stuff when troubleshooting.
Image
User avatar
Spoonist
Jedi Council Member
Posts: 2405
Joined: 2002-09-20 11:15am

Post by Spoonist »

Heh, in a friends office all website with "homosexual" and "sceptic" in them are blocked.
User avatar
Luke Starkiller
Jedi Knight
Posts: 788
Joined: 2002-08-08 08:55pm
Location: Ottawa, Canada

Post by Luke Starkiller »

Yesterday www.nationstates.net was not blocked, today it is. :roll:
What kind of dark wizard in league with nameless forces of primordial evil ARE you that you can't even make a successful sanity check versus BOREDOM? - Red Mage
User avatar
Lord Rog
Youngling
Posts: 102
Joined: 2004-06-10 06:40pm
Location: Cardiff, Wales, UK

Post by Lord Rog »

Someone at my workplace (Companies House Cardiff) found that they couldn't view information about adult education because the filter (CSMimesweeper) had blocked the word adult. The funniest part of it was that this was when they were running an event trying persuade more of their staff to take up evening courses in local colleges. :roll:
--
Lord Rog, Favoured of Slaanesh

"Their defenses are broken, let the slaughter begin." - Megatron at the Battle of Autobot City

ASVS 1999
User avatar
kheegster
Jedi Council Member
Posts: 2397
Joined: 2002-09-14 02:29am
Location: An oasis in the wastelands of NJ

Post by kheegster »

I live in a Catholic residence, and apart from the usual suspects, a friend writing a paper on HIV/AIDS couldn't continue because the word 'pregnant' was banned.
Articles, opinions and rants from an astrophysicist: Cosmic Journeys
User avatar
Ryushikaze
Jedi Master
Posts: 1072
Joined: 2006-01-15 02:15am
Location: Chapel Hill, NC

Post by Ryushikaze »

I haven't had any particularly wierd filter responses, but several years ago, I basically had free reign of a school computer lab. Over the months I spent there, I learned that the firewalls were very persnickity. One computer would block one site, but the computer sitting just next to it would not, and I don't think the blocked/allowed list would stay the same for very long either.
User avatar
John of the Dead
Youngling
Posts: 111
Joined: 2005-06-22 03:56pm
Location: The Necropolis

Post by John of the Dead »

I tried to unsubscribe from a local politician's email list, but I was blocked from accessing his web site because it contained "Sexual Education Material." I found that strange on many levels.
When there's no room left in Hell,
the Dead shall walk the earth.
User avatar
NoXion
Padawan Learner
Posts: 306
Joined: 2005-04-21 01:38am
Location: Perfidious Albion

Post by NoXion »

Why the hell would things like "non-traditional religions, occult and folklore" and "sexual education material" be blocked?
Does it follow that I reject all authority? Perish the thought. In the matter of boots, I defer to the authority of the boot-maker - Mikhail Bakunin
Capital is reckless of the health or length of life of the laborer, unless under compulsion from society - Karl Marx
Pollution is nothing but the resources we are not harvesting. We allow them to disperse because we've been ignorant of their value - R. Buckminster Fuller
The important thing is not to be human but to be humane - Eliezer S. Yudkowsky


Nova Mundi, my laughable attempt at an original worldbuilding/gameplay project
User avatar
Flagg
CUNTS FOR EYES!
Posts: 12797
Joined: 2005-06-09 09:56pm
Location: Hell. In The Room Right Next to Reagan. He's Fucking Bonzo. No, wait... Bonzo's fucking HIM.

Post by Flagg »

For whatever reason articles on Snopes.com that contain pictures are blocked.
We pissing our pants yet?
-Negan

You got your shittin' pants on? Because you’re about to
Shit. Your. Pants!
-Negan

He who can,
does; he who cannot, teaches.
-George Bernard Shaw
User avatar
kheegster
Jedi Council Member
Posts: 2397
Joined: 2002-09-14 02:29am
Location: An oasis in the wastelands of NJ

Post by kheegster »

NoXion wrote:Why the hell would things like "non-traditional religions, occult and folklore" and "sexual education material" be blocked?
If it's a morality filter, it's conceivable that 'occult' may set it off especially if it's an off-the-shelf product designed for fundie parents. 'SEXual' is a no-brainer.
Articles, opinions and rants from an astrophysicist: Cosmic Journeys
User avatar
NoXion
Padawan Learner
Posts: 306
Joined: 2005-04-21 01:38am
Location: Perfidious Albion

Post by NoXion »

kheegan wrote:
NoXion wrote:Why the hell would things like "non-traditional religions, occult and folklore" and "sexual education material" be blocked?
If it's a morality filter, it's conceivable that 'occult' may set it off especially if it's an off-the-shelf product designed for fundie parents. 'SEXual' is a no-brainer.
That's fucking stupid. Personally, I find the idea of web filters totally disgusting, especially for children. Fucking mind controlling crap! :finger:
Does it follow that I reject all authority? Perish the thought. In the matter of boots, I defer to the authority of the boot-maker - Mikhail Bakunin
Capital is reckless of the health or length of life of the laborer, unless under compulsion from society - Karl Marx
Pollution is nothing but the resources we are not harvesting. We allow them to disperse because we've been ignorant of their value - R. Buckminster Fuller
The important thing is not to be human but to be humane - Eliezer S. Yudkowsky


Nova Mundi, my laughable attempt at an original worldbuilding/gameplay project
User avatar
wolveraptor
Sith Marauder
Posts: 4042
Joined: 2004-12-18 06:09pm

Post by wolveraptor »

Yeah, Maddox has a lot to say about Websense.
"If one needed proof that a guitar was more than wood and string, that a song was more than notes and words, and that a man could be more than a name and a few faded pictures, then Robert Johnson’s recordings were all one could ask for."

- Herb Bowie, Reason to Rock
User avatar
Solauren
Emperor's Hand
Posts: 10339
Joined: 2003-05-11 09:41pm

Post by Solauren »

I couldn't load up a Cattery (Cat Breeder) website at work my boss wanted me to investigate for tax purposes (yes, pets are taxable) and I couldn't cause it contained the word pussy.
I reviewed it at home. The sentence it was in was from the owners 6 year old daughter saying "I just love all the little pussy cats"
User avatar
Elheru Aran
Emperor's Hand
Posts: 13073
Joined: 2004-03-04 01:15am
Location: Georgia

Post by Elheru Aran »

NoXion wrote:
kheegan wrote:
NoXion wrote:Why the hell would things like "non-traditional religions, occult and folklore" and "sexual education material" be blocked?
If it's a morality filter, it's conceivable that 'occult' may set it off especially if it's an off-the-shelf product designed for fundie parents. 'SEXual' is a no-brainer.
That's fucking stupid. Personally, I find the idea of web filters totally disgusting, especially for children. Fucking mind controlling crap! :finger:
So you're in favor of six-year-olds being able to access ogrish.com at home because they heard from some kids at school that it was 'awesome', eh?
It's a strange world. Let's keep it that way.
User avatar
Metatwaddle
Jedi Council Member
Posts: 1910
Joined: 2003-07-07 07:29am
Location: Up the Amazon on a Rubber Duck
Contact:

Post by Metatwaddle »

It seems to me that not allowing "occult and non-traditional religions" is clearly preferential treatment of some religions (Christianity, etc.) over others. Is there any legal standing on which one could challenge the double standard?
Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes you can do these things... their number is negligible and they are stupid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower
User avatar
NoXion
Padawan Learner
Posts: 306
Joined: 2005-04-21 01:38am
Location: Perfidious Albion

Post by NoXion »

Elheru Aran wrote:
NoXion wrote:
kheegan wrote: If it's a morality filter, it's conceivable that 'occult' may set it off especially if it's an off-the-shelf product designed for fundie parents. 'SEXual' is a no-brainer.
That's fucking stupid. Personally, I find the idea of web filters totally disgusting, especially for children. Fucking mind controlling crap! :finger:
So you're in favor of six-year-olds being able to access ogrish.com at home because they heard from some kids at school that it was 'awesome', eh?
What would the consequences of that be? Most likely the kid is scared/disgusted and doesn't go there again. What else could happen?
Does it follow that I reject all authority? Perish the thought. In the matter of boots, I defer to the authority of the boot-maker - Mikhail Bakunin
Capital is reckless of the health or length of life of the laborer, unless under compulsion from society - Karl Marx
Pollution is nothing but the resources we are not harvesting. We allow them to disperse because we've been ignorant of their value - R. Buckminster Fuller
The important thing is not to be human but to be humane - Eliezer S. Yudkowsky


Nova Mundi, my laughable attempt at an original worldbuilding/gameplay project
CarsonPalmer
Jedi Master
Posts: 1227
Joined: 2006-01-07 01:33pm

Post by CarsonPalmer »

Web filters should be permitted because, even though everyone does do it anyway, you really shouldn't be surfing the internet at work/school.
User avatar
Drooling Iguana
Sith Marauder
Posts: 4975
Joined: 2003-05-13 01:07am
Location: Sector ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha

Post by Drooling Iguana »

Elheru Aran wrote:
NoXion wrote:
kheegan wrote: If it's a morality filter, it's conceivable that 'occult' may set it off especially if it's an off-the-shelf product designed for fundie parents. 'SEXual' is a no-brainer.
That's fucking stupid. Personally, I find the idea of web filters totally disgusting, especially for children. Fucking mind controlling crap! :finger:
So you're in favor of six-year-olds being able to access ogrish.com at home because they heard from some kids at school that it was 'awesome', eh?
I can't speak for NoXion, but I'm not in favour of six-year-olds doing any unsupervised web-browsing.
Image
"Stop! No one can survive these deadly rays!"
"These deadly rays will be your death!"
- Thor and Akton, Starcrash

"Before man reaches the moon your mail will be delivered within hours from New York to California, to England, to India or to Australia by guided missiles.... We stand on the threshold of rocket mail."
- Arthur Summerfield, US Postmaster General 1953 - 1961
User avatar
wolveraptor
Sith Marauder
Posts: 4042
Joined: 2004-12-18 06:09pm

Post by wolveraptor »

Disturbing images aren't what's wrong with unsupervised browsing. Spyware and viri from shady sights are.
"If one needed proof that a guitar was more than wood and string, that a song was more than notes and words, and that a man could be more than a name and a few faded pictures, then Robert Johnson’s recordings were all one could ask for."

- Herb Bowie, Reason to Rock
User avatar
dragon
Sith Marauder
Posts: 4151
Joined: 2004-09-23 04:42pm

Post by dragon »

Natorgator wrote:I work for a local school system in the IT department. All of our computers are Dells, and parts of Dell's website are blocked :? Kinda makes it hard to look up stuff when troubleshooting.
Same thing here we had to go to a website to download the drivers for our new equipment and the site was blocked.
User avatar
Lord Poe
Sith Apprentice
Posts: 6988
Joined: 2002-07-14 03:15am
Location: Callyfornia
Contact:

Post by Lord Poe »

Drooling Iguana wrote:I can't speak for NoXion, but I'm not in favour of six-year-olds doing any unsupervised web-browsing.
Six-year olds? I'm still fighting to keep my 63-year old mom off the net! I have visions of her sending money to a certain Nigerian prince and wait to be rewarded with millions...
Image

"Brian, if I parked a supertanker in Central Park, painted it neon orange, and set it on fire, it would be less obvious than your stupidity." --RedImperator
User avatar
Darth Wong
Sith Lord
Sith Lord
Posts: 70028
Joined: 2002-07-03 12:25am
Location: Toronto, Canada
Contact:

Post by Darth Wong »

I don't understand the mentality behind office web filters. Personally, if I were an office manager and I wanted to make sure employees weren't wasting time on the job, I would simply make sure that every employee's desk is positioned so that you can see his computer monitor from the hallway. Rule through fear.
Image
"It's not evil for God to do it. Or for someone to do it at God's command."- Jonathan Boyd on baby-killing

"you guys are fascinated with the use of those "rules of logic" to the extent that you don't really want to discussus anything."- GC

"I do not believe Russian Roulette is a stupid act" - Embracer of Darkness

"Viagra commercials appear to save lives" - tharkûn on US health care.

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Mike/RantMode/Blurbs.html
User avatar
wolveraptor
Sith Marauder
Posts: 4042
Joined: 2004-12-18 06:09pm

Post by wolveraptor »

Fuck that, you could have button cameras in each of their cubicles. That way, they aren't wary of going on such sites until one day you call them in for their monthly performance review...

"You're fired, bitch."
"If one needed proof that a guitar was more than wood and string, that a song was more than notes and words, and that a man could be more than a name and a few faded pictures, then Robert Johnson’s recordings were all one could ask for."

- Herb Bowie, Reason to Rock
User avatar
Crayz9000
Sith Apprentice
Posts: 7329
Joined: 2002-07-03 06:39pm
Location: Improbably superpositioned
Contact:

Post by Crayz9000 »

The best use of a web filter is basically to protect users from themselves in a security sense. Scan incoming HTTP/FTP/mail traffic for viruses, and presto, you've reduced one infection method. Better yet it can be done transparently without needing to run anything on the user's computer.
A Tribute to Stupidity: The Robert Scott Anderson Archive (currently offline)
John Hansen - Slightly Insane Bounty Hunter - ASVS Vets' Assoc. Class of 2000
HAB Cryptanalyst | WG - Intergalactic Alliance and Spoof Author | BotM | Cybertron | SCEF
Post Reply