102 Irish Priests Suspected of Abuse

theski · Post by **theski** » 2006-03-08 11:13am

Jesus fucking Christ.. and to think I was a alterboy.. Fuckers

DUBLIN, Ireland -- The Roman Catholic archdiocese of Dublin said Wednesday that 102 of its priests are suspected of sexually or physically abusing at least 350 children since 1940 _ the biggest such admission to date in Ireland.

The office of Archbishop Diarmuid Martin said it was publishing its findings ahead of this month's expected formation of a government-appointed commission to investigate the history and handling of such abuse in Ireland.

This predominantly Catholic nation has been rocked by waves of church sex-abuse scandals since 1994.

The archdiocese said it conducted a two-year review of the personnel files of more than 2,800 priests who have worked in the Dublin archdiocese, either as parish priests or in religious orders, during the past 66 years.

It found that eight priests in Dublin were convicted of abuse, while 32 priests have been sued for damages by 105 victims at a cost to the archdiocese of $7 million. That figure includes about $2 million in legal bills for both sides.

But the report said costs were expected to increase significantly because 40 cases remained unsettled, while church authorities had positively identified at least 350 abuse victims and "a possible further 40 persons who may have been abused but who it is not yet possible to identify or trace."

Martin, a veteran Vatican diplomat appointed here in 2003, said he believed the archdiocese would have to sell off some of its properties to cover the mounting compensation bill. He called that a necessary sacrifice to right past wrongs, as much as was possible.

"It's very frightening for me to see that in some of these cases, so many children were abused. It's very hard to weigh that up against anything," Martin said.

"On the other hand, I know that the vast majority of priests don't abuse, that they do good work, that they're extremely upset and offended by what's happened."

FUCKERS

Einhander Sn0m4n · Post by **Einhander Sn0m4n** » 2006-03-08 11:22am

RCC, LET YOUR FUCKING PRIESTS MARRY!

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2006-03-08 11:36am

YOU EVIL SECULAR BASTARD, THIS IS AN AMERICAN PROBLEM, IT DOES NOT EXIST ELSEWHERE IN THE HOLY CATHOLIC CHURCH!

Sorry, channeled Palpa-Ratzi for a moment.

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2006-03-08 11:47am

SirNitram wrote:YOU EVIL SECULAR BASTARD, THIS IS AN AMERICAN PROBLEM, IT DOES NOT EXIST ELSEWHERE IN THE HOLY CATHOLIC CHURCH!

Sorry, channeled Palpa-Ratzi for a moment.

Clearly this is a result of the secularism that is strangling Europe and divorcing it from its prime motivator and most creative instituion. In the end mark me, this is going to be blamed on Secularism once it becomes painfully obvious this is not just an American problem.

The church can lick my hairy ass for this insanity. They've been covering it up for years, abuse of their most fragile flock members to protect some dirty old men in collars. Fuck them, may the insitution rot away and die.

Darth Raptor · Post by **Darth Raptor** » 2006-03-08 12:01pm

The Church is a veritable beacon of morality for the entire civilized world. A shining city on the mount... where dirty old pervs rape little boys, potential lives are more valuable than existing ones and the threat of disease is insignificant to the threat of recreational sex (unless it's with a child, of course!).

Missionary: "Have they ever heard of Jesus?"
Cartman: "No, it's perfect!"

Lord Zentei · Post by **Lord Zentei** » 2006-03-08 01:00pm

Remember boys and girls, Christianity is all about forgiveness. We are all sinners. Do not judge lest ye be judged. Verily, these priests are mortal men, even as we. Love thy neighbour, etc.

PS: And support your local church with regular donations.

mr friendly guy · Post by **mr friendly guy** » 2006-03-08 10:30pm

Remember folks, Christians are more moral than non-Christians.

Moral if you count raping little boys and covering it up as moral while hypocritically condemning sex between 2 consenting adults.

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2006-03-08 11:41pm

Lord Zentei wrote:Remember boys and girls, Christianity is all about forgiveness. We are all sinners. Do not judge lest ye be judged. Verily, these priests are mortal men, even as we. Love thy neighbour, etc.

PS: And support your local church with regular donations.

And send your kids to sunday school and make them altarboys. Precious.

Spetulhu · Post by **Spetulhu** » 2006-03-09 12:10am

Einhander Sn0m4n wrote:RCC, LET YOUR FUCKING PRIESTS MARRY!

But that would mean the wife and kids inherit instead of the church! Heresy!

Alex Moon · Post by **Alex Moon** » 2006-03-09 12:41am

Einhander Sn0m4n wrote:RCC, LET YOUR FUCKING PRIESTS MARRY!

And precisely how would that help anything?

Alex Moon · Post by **Alex Moon** » 2006-03-09 12:50am

Lord Zentei wrote:Remember boys and girls, Christianity is all about forgiveness. We are all sinners. Do not judge lest ye be judged. Verily, these priests are mortal men, even as we. Love thy neighbour, etc.

forgiveness isn't a get out of jail free card. We can believe that someone is more than just their sins, while still expecting them to face justice for their actions in the legal system. In fact, absolution in the confessional can be denied if the one confessing refuses to take action to atone for their sins in a meaningful way, IIRC.

Metatwaddle · Post by **Metatwaddle** » 2006-03-09 03:28am

Alex Moon wrote:
Einhander Sn0m4n wrote:RCC, LET YOUR FUCKING PRIESTS MARRY!
And precisely how would that help anything?

They wouldn't be sexually frustrated if they were regularly having sex with their wives. At least, not as much.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2006-03-09 03:30am

Why do people still leave young boys in the supervision of Catholic priests?

Crayz9000 · Post by **Crayz9000** » 2006-03-09 03:46am

At the risk of being repetitive, I could point out that the eastern Orthodox churches (Russian, Greek, and Antiochian primarily) have not only allowed, but mandated that any non-monastic men who want to be priests must marry. It's worked pretty well so far, although there's still the occasional rotten egg that pops up here and there. The good news is that there's a no-tolerance policy for that sort of crap.

Of course, some genius in Rome in the middle ages decided that no priests should be married and look where they are now. I see they're still in full cover-their-asses mode.

Post by **Gandalf** » 2006-03-09 03:47am

Darth Wong wrote:Why do people still leave young boys in the supervision of Catholic priests?

Because this shit happens to other people's priests.

The local priest is a kindly old man of God who would never do such a thing.

WyrdNyrd · Post by **WyrdNyrd** » 2006-03-09 07:26am

It's not fair to say that these guys are all pederasts.

They've raped just as many girls, damn it!

(Forgot who said that, I think it was a satire sit on the net.)

The point is, it's not just altar boys at risk, it's any child left in the supervision of the priests.

The Guid · Post by **The Guid** » 2006-03-09 07:32am

Darth Wong wrote:Why do people still leave young boys in the supervision of Catholic priests?

Because they've taken a vow of celibacy... ?

Seriously though it happens because, certainly as I understand it, Priests are always respected people and leaders of a community. Its like leaving them with a teacher - its an accepted part of society within the Church.

Alex Moon · Post by **Alex Moon** » 2006-03-09 09:59am

Discombobulated wrote:
Alex Moon wrote:
Einhander Sn0m4n wrote:RCC, LET YOUR FUCKING PRIESTS MARRY!
And precisely how would that help anything?
They wouldn't be sexually frustrated if they were regularly having sex with their wives. At least, not as much.

And that is going to do jack shit. There are plenty of pedophiles who are married and raising families (see the boyscout leader from a few years ago). It doesn't change their desires. If anything, marriage may make the situation worse, since it would provide cover for the predators, or a way for those struggling with the truth to avoid getting help for their problem.

theski · Post by **theski** » 2006-03-09 10:10am

Alex Moon wrote:
Discombobulated wrote:
Alex Moon wrote: And precisely how would that help anything?
They wouldn't be sexually frustrated if they were regularly having sex with their wives. At least, not as much.
And that is going to do jack shit. There are plenty of pedophiles who are married and raising families (see the boyscout leader from a few years ago). It doesn't change their desires. If anything, marriage may make the situation worse, since it would provide cover for the predators, or a way for those struggling with the truth to avoid getting help for their problem.

I disagree Alex. I think it would help somewhat.. and that is much better then what is happening now.

kheegster · Post by **kheegster** » 2006-03-09 10:11am

Crayz9000 wrote:
Of course, some genius in Rome in the middle ages decided that no priests should be married and look where they are now. I see they're still in full cover-their-asses mode.

Well, they're not the ones who have to cover their asses, it's the altarboys.

In any case, I've heard that there are currently precisely ONE person undergoing training to be a priest in Ireland.

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2006-03-09 10:20am

Frankly, people give their children into the care of priests because a) they're churchgoers/religious and b) the churchs is constanly, constantly saying 'it's a minor problem' or 'one or two bad priests ain't bad' or whatever. There's quite a vocal 'aww, c'mon, it's not that bad' faction.

Lord Zentei · Post by **Lord Zentei** » 2006-03-09 10:46am

Alex Moon wrote:
Lord Zentei wrote:Remember boys and girls, Christianity is all about forgiveness. We are all sinners. Do not judge lest ye be judged. Verily, these priests are mortal men, even as we. Love thy neighbour, etc.
forgiveness isn't a get out of jail free card. We can believe that someone is more than just their sins, while still expecting them to face justice for their actions in the legal system. In fact, absolution in the confessional can be denied if the one confessing refuses to take action to atone for their sins in a meaningful way, IIRC.

Verily, thy sarcasm detector is broken.

The Guid · Post by **The Guid** » 2006-03-09 10:51am

Alex Moon wrote:
Discombobulated wrote:
Alex Moon wrote: And precisely how would that help anything?
They wouldn't be sexually frustrated if they were regularly having sex with their wives. At least, not as much.
And that is going to do jack shit. There are plenty of pedophiles who are married and raising families (see the boyscout leader from a few years ago). It doesn't change their desires. If anything, marriage may make the situation worse, since it would provide cover for the predators, or a way for those struggling with the truth to avoid getting help for their problem.

Are you seriously telling me that sexual frustration does not lead to a desire for young boys? I will readily admit that this is not the truth in all cases, but surely you can see that if Priests were not made to be celibate it might ease off some of their other desires?

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2006-03-09 11:09am

Honestly, you have to wonder how bad this is in Latin American countries, where the Church is really powerful and stuff like this is easier to keep under wraps.

Darth Raptor · Post by **Darth Raptor** » 2006-03-09 11:14am

Alex Moon wrote:And that is going to do jack shit. There are plenty of pedophiles who are married and raising families (see the boyscout leader from a few years ago). It doesn't change their desires. If anything, marriage may make the situation worse, since it would provide cover for the predators, or a way for those struggling with the truth to avoid getting help for their problem.

You mean like the priesthood serves as a cover and a muffler?