bester vs jedi anakin

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2002-12-07 09:51pm

who wins? with and without ppg/lightsaber

Evil Sadistic Bastard · Post by **Evil Sadistic Bastard** » 2002-12-07 09:52pm

Anakin.
Force grip/Mindtrick.
Bester needs physical contact. As though Anakin will allow him.

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2002-12-07 10:17pm

Bester needs LOS, not touch, but he'd still probably lose.

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2002-12-08 02:07am

Actually Bester doesn't need LOS, that's a lie they tell the mundanes in order to make them feel comfortable behind a wall. You can see this in the 5th season of B5 where he sends his thoughts through bulk heads to reach Lyta and Byron.

But I digress, Anakin. Bester is uber cool, but little Ani's power is beyond him.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2002-12-08 02:09am

Jedi Anakin takes this one.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2002-12-08 12:15pm

I would have to go with Bester on this one. Ani is powerful, but he doesnt have the discipline to block out one of Bester's mind rapings.
He is too reckless, Bester is trained to evercome the pathetic mental defenses the Ani could put up. Jedi telepthy isnt that impresive. They have empthy, telekinesis, and clairsetience abilities. But te telepathy is thier weak point.

Cal Wright · Post by **Cal Wright** » 2002-12-08 02:26pm

Well, I don't know who this Bester is, but to Denryle's post, the only thing any invasion of Anakin's mind would do, is send him on an unstoppable 'Bester Purge'. Last thing you want to do with Anakin is get him fucking mad. I'm sure that Bester wouldn't be making Anakin think of happy little thoughts. More like find images of his mother, and his resentment to the Jedi. Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2002-12-08 03:59pm

He would be stimulating the pain centers in Ani's brain to the point where his heart stops. Or rewriting his concousness, and making him into a happy little slave.

Cal Wright · Post by **Cal Wright** » 2002-12-08 04:28pm

So magically Anakin couldn't fight back mentally with the Force. Bester had better be made of cortosis ore and wind pipe that is industructable for this match up.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2002-12-08 04:36pm

He is a p12 telepath. His ability to use telepathy is scary. Ani had better be able to mentally defend himself, or bester is going to have a field day fucking up his mind.

Perinquus · Post by **Perinquus** » 2002-12-08 05:56pm

Alyrium Denryle wrote:He is a p12 telepath. His ability to use telepathy is scary. Ani had better be able to mentally defend himself, or bester is going to have a field day fucking up his mind.

The instant he begins to feel pain, he waves his hand at Bester and sends him flying into the nearest bulkhead with enough force to shatter his spine. Game over.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2002-12-08 06:00pm

Between the two I see this.

Bester either goes in for the kill or dies.

Seriously if he somehow grabs Anakin's mind and shuts down something vital then yes...but he tries to screw around and Anakin gets the slightest bit testy persay then he hurls Bester into a wall with enough force to knock him out(unless this Dark Anakin...then probably through said wall)

Captain Kruger · Post by **Captain Kruger** » 2002-12-08 06:57pm

Ironically, Bester would probably have a better chance against Obi-Wan, considering Anakin's quick temper causes him to lash out quickly. Obi-Wan would waste time grabbing his head and trying to get control of his mind, i. e., the Jedi-Attempt-To-Remain-Calm Maneuver. The second Anakin feels a poke in his mind, he's gonna lash out. This is a definite best-defense-is-good-offense situation, a lesson Obi-Wan may learn too late.

That said, as impressive as Bester is, I don't think he could ravage Anakin's mind quick enough to avoid being hurled like a leaf in a hurricane by the Force Shove(TM).

Cal Wright · Post by **Cal Wright** » 2002-12-08 08:40pm

What's the ppg thing?

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2002-12-08 08:44pm

A pistol used in Bab5.

Basically a near all purpose small arm they used in the series.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2002-12-08 08:44pm

Alyrium Denryle wrote:He is a p12 telepath. His ability to use telepathy is scary.

He has never demonstrated the ability to kill someone with a single thought, which is what he would need to take down Anakin.

Ani had better be able to mentally defend himself, or bester is going to have a field day fucking up his mind.

It takes prolonged imprisonment for the Psi Corps to fuck up someone's mind, as we saw with Garibaldi. Don't exaggerate. Bester can't just look at someone and reprogram or kill him. At best, even a Vorlon-enhanced telepath can only make someone feel pain, and that's for a mundane, not a telepath (even a relatively low-level telepath like a typical Jedi).

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2002-12-08 08:51pm

Depends. If Anakin is calm all he needs to do is freeze Bester's heart or cut off an attery to his brain. If he's in pissed off mode, Bester might have a chance.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2002-12-08 08:52pm

Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:Depends. If Anakin is calm all he needs to do is freeze Bester's heart or cut off an attery to his brain. If he's in pissed off mode, Bester might have a chance.

The Dark Side is stronger. If Anakin is pissed off, it makes him vulnerable to the Emperor, but not to Bester. Bester would only find himself being cut into even smaller pieces.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2002-12-08 09:43pm

Fucking up his mind as in screw with his senses. Though i guess it also depends on the situation. if it is in an open room like AOTC then bster is screwed. If he decides to go into hiding on board a space station, maze etc, he stands a better chance. In open battle, bester loses, playing cat and mouse, Bester stands a chance.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2002-12-08 09:47pm

Alyrium Denryle wrote:Fucking up his mind as in screw with his senses. Though i guess it also depends on the situation. if it is in an open room like AOTC then bster is screwed. If he decides to go into hiding on board a space station, maze etc, he stands a better chance. In open battle, bester loses, playing cat and mouse, Bester stands a chance.

Bester's best possible outcome is to survive and escape. If he ends up face to face with Anakin, he's dead. He's certainly not going to surprise and kill an alert Jedi, who will instinctively react to his prescient sense of danger. Under no circumstances can he actually kill Anakin.

Best possible outcome for Bester: survives and escapes. Best possible outcome for Anakin: kills Bester. That's basically a victory for Anakin either way.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2002-12-08 09:50pm

Point conceeded.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2002-12-08 09:52pm

Darth Wong wrote:At best, even a Vorlon-enhanced telepath can only make someone feel pain, and that's for a mundane, not a telepath (even a relatively low-level telepath like a typical Jedi).

Note. Non Vorlon-enhanced telepaths are also able to do this. Grey in the episode "Eyes" was able to make a mundane feel pain. He was a P10.

Further note. According to JMS at Lurker's Guide the pain felt "was only a second, and he[Ben Zayn] would've shrugged it off quickly, had Sinclair not been there to follow up."

So either for somebody of Grey's ability can't keep it up long, or it just can't be done for very long.

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2002-12-08 10:35pm

I think the point that Alyrium is talking about is the 'Mind Shredding', seen in the episode The Corps is Mother, The Corps is Father in season 5. Where a P10 telepath trained in this technique is a danger to a P12, and a P12 telepath can kill a mundane in an instant. A very nasty bit of business.

However, Jedi do have a clear advantage over telepaths, wasn't Darth Maul once scanned by a telepath? And didn't he just mind fuck the telepath straight away? Clearly Bester is a danger, but not to a Jedi.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2002-12-08 10:38pm

Crown wrote:I think the point that Alyrium is talking about is the 'Mind Shredding', seen in the episode The Corps is Mother, The Corps is Father in season 5. Where a P10 telepath trained in this technique is a danger to a P12, and a P12 telepath can kill a mundane in an instant. A very nasty bit of business.

Didn't that require contact, a restrained victim, and far more time than it would take for a Jedi to separate a P12's head from his body?

However, Jedi do have a clear advantage over telepaths, wasn't Darth Maul once scanned by a telepath? And didn't he just mind fuck the telepath straight away? Clearly Bester is a danger, but not to a Jedi.

IIRC, in the books, a Sith Lord can wipe minds.

Evil Sadistic Bastard · Post by **Evil Sadistic Bastard** » 2002-12-08 10:41pm

Darth Wong wrote: IIRC, in the books, a Sith Lord can wipe minds.

Kyp Durron went and erased all knowledge of the SUn Crusher from Qwi Xux's head.