B1s versus Ent D.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2006-03-14 05:52pm

Inspired by 'Space Truckers' imagine that a meddlesome time travelling entity has teleported a (non remote-battle-computer dependant) B1 into a random location inside the Enterprise D, with orders to destroy, but no specialised knowledge of federation technology beyond the ability to read English.

When this one is destroyed, two more appear in another location, and so on. How many droids do you think it would take to destroy the ship?

Ryushikaze · Post by **Ryushikaze** » 2006-03-14 06:17pm

Depending on where it appears, anywhere from one to around 200.

It also depends on whether or not the Ent-D's crew remember what their internal systems can and cannot do.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2006-03-14 06:45pm

[smirk mode]six[/end smirk mode]

If the crew puts a fight I'd expect about 500.

if the don't it could be as few as 10. They just need to seize engineering and the bridge.

brianeyci · Post by **brianeyci** » 2006-03-14 08:55pm

How far does "destroy" go? The B1's in TPM took prisoners.

I don't think it'd take 500 B1's. Rascals, Nemesis really ruins it. I'd rather have Picard go Die Hard style and try and survive all on his own rather than the entire crew of the Enterprise D. So I'm taking a deliberate handicap, Picard versus B1's, and I think because of his superior knowledge of the terrain, he might even end up making it to the shuttlebay and escaping

. Let's say Picard kills one. Two more appear. He kills those two. He'll get the point, and plus he's got the best character shield next to Wesley Crusher, Pregnant Major Kira and Ripped Shirt Kirk.

ST:FC had every crewman fighting it out with Borg, but Borg walk SLOW and they were spending time assimilating every guy they took. Plus that was Ent-E.

Brian

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2006-03-15 09:31am

How much do the battledroids know about the layout and technology of the ship? For example, would they know that they can defeat corridor forcefields by simply shooting out the plastic wall-panels next to them?

Post by **Edi** » 2006-03-15 10:21am

Darth Wong wrote:How much do the battledroids know about the layout and technology of the ship? For example, would they know that they can defeat corridor forcefields by simply shooting out the plastic wall-panels next to them?

They would probably figure it out. For such localized fields, the generators or at least the projectors would have to be close by, and destroying enough of the structures where the projectors must be housed would logically take the field out. The droids might not be as smart as intelligent humans, but that would not be beyond their capability at all. At least I think so.

Edi

Post by **NecronLord** » 2006-03-15 10:43am

Darth Wong wrote:How much do the battledroids know about the layout and technology of the ship? For example, would they know that they can defeat corridor forcefields by simply shooting out the plastic wall-panels next to them?

Nope. That totally removes the fun. They can read english and interrogate people, but that's it. Otherwise they could just charge towards engineering and shoot the warp core.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2006-03-15 10:45am

brianeyci wrote:How far does "destroy" go? The B1's in TPM took prisoners.

Well, this time they're under orders to kill all the crew by whatever means necessery.

brianeyci · Post by **brianeyci** » 2006-03-15 12:17pm

Pointless note : by Voyager they seem to have fixed this problem. I don't recall hallway forcefields in Voyager, but I do recall Seven putting a "level ten" forcefield on engineering's door. Shooting out the doorframe would be the same as shooting through a bulkhead I think. And Torres puts a phaser behind a forcefield before powering it with the phaser, so they've figured it was a stupid idea.

Brian

Bounty · Post by **Bounty** » 2006-03-15 12:23pm

I don't recall hallway forcefields in Voyager

I think they were shown in The Raven when Seven re-Borgifies and walks through them. Incidentally, the Jeffries tubes have them, too, as per YOH.

brianeyci · Post by **brianeyci** » 2006-03-15 12:33pm

You know what was stupid about The Raven. Seven was walking through the hallway, and I think she was without a weapon. Two burly security and Tuvok run up and fire their phasers, and they don't work. Instead of running up and grabbing her, they just look at each other as she walks in the turbolift!

At least that's how I remember it, not sure how it is. Seven doesn't have her Borg exoskeleton, she could have been overpowered and restrained.

Brian

Bounty · Post by **Bounty** » 2006-03-15 12:37pm

Seven doesn't have her Borg exoskeleton, she could have been overpowered and restrained.

She did have her vampire tubes and other Borg enhancements. You've never seen Tsunkatse ?

brianeyci · Post by **brianeyci** » 2006-03-15 12:51pm

Seven beating up The Rock? I also remember Seven sparring with Tuvok somewhere.

The security should have still tried it, it was three on one and every extra man you fight makes it a lot harder as any practitioner of martial arts will tell you. And Tuvok's a Vulcan.

Brian

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2006-03-15 12:51pm

And they couldn't just clobber her in the side of the head with the butt of a phaser rifle?

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2006-03-15 01:03pm

Darth Wong wrote:And they couldn't just clobber her in the side of the head with the butt of a phaser rifle?

And risk the thing breaking!?

Post by **NecronLord** » 2006-03-15 01:28pm

Darth Wong wrote:And they couldn't just clobber her in the side of the head with the butt of a phaser rifle?

They were scared, after all, they're starfleet officers, facing a borg. Jesus, you're talking like they're soldiers!

Eframepilot · Post by **Eframepilot** » 2006-03-16 03:33am

Later in "The Raven", Seven actually overpowers Tuvok and neck-pinches him. She might indeed have been too much for the security to handle. However, that doesn't excuse their lack of trying.

NoXion · Post by **NoXion** » 2006-03-16 04:43am

The Enterprise eventually explodes due to the pressure of all the battledroids in it

The OP does not specify, but I assume the B1s get their blasters? In that case I'm guessing somewhere in the low hundreds, but don't quote me on that.

FOG3 · Post by **FOG3** » 2006-03-16 11:06am

Let me see if I understand the situation correctly. The E-D has a crew of 1012 people, and we have invading B-1 battledroids deploying in a Hydra head fashion. Due to how they're built it's pretty much a given the B-1s have their blasters.

Given the crews level of condition white, and actual performance I'll go with 10 to 1 kill ratio in the B-1s favor. One HK 50 would have the discretion to do the job with no one the wiser though.

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2006-03-16 01:17pm

FOG3 wrote:Let me see if I understand the situation correctly. The E-D has a crew of 1012 people, and we have invading B-1 battledroids deploying in a Hydra head fashion. Due to how they're built it's pretty much a given the B-1s have their blasters.

Given the crews level of condition white, and actual performance I'll go with 10 to 1 kill ratio in the B-1s favor. One HK 50 would have the discretion to do the job with no one the wiser though.

the Starfleet crew of the E-D is only about 700 personel the rest are civvies and their benefit to fight is questionble at best.

brianeyci · Post by **brianeyci** » 2006-03-16 03:07pm

If they don't have their blasters Data could probably rip them apart all day. Though eventually one would get lucky and score a critical hit... actually what am I thinking the B1's arms are tiny as shit. If they're not smart enough to pull a weapon from a dead body and use it on Data, Data can kill as long as his batteries last especially if he's in a doorway or a corridor and can keep it to one or two at a time.

Brian

NoXion · Post by **NoXion** » 2006-03-16 04:37pm

Until one or several "spawn" behind him perhaps.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2006-03-16 04:45pm

B1s are significantly stronger than humans. If they could get an iron pole, they could kill Data. But anyway, in this scenario they are indeed armed with blasters.

brianeyci · Post by **brianeyci** » 2006-03-16 05:46pm

You just had to bring up the pole didn't you

In that case there are a couple questions. Can the B1 rifles fire on full auto and how often do they use this. Also how much ammunition does their rifle have.

Because it might just take just a squad size even if they don't go after Engineering or the Bridge (since they don't know). Starfleet wear no armor so even misses spew deadly shrapnel. The B1's could just get into a room and hole up there and wait as SF streamed through the door to their deaths. How the hell is an Ensign supposed to get a shot off if there's shrapnel everywhere. Imagine a dozen B1's moving through a corridor and firing as they walked, any goldshirt in range would be mincemeat.

That's assuming transporters aren't used.

Brian

Post by **NecronLord** » 2006-03-16 06:03pm

brianeyci wrote:You just had to bring up the pole didn't you

I could bring up the off switch if you like. Data is not a battle droid Brian. He was not intended to be any such thing by Dr Soong, and is not all that good at it.