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Durandal wrote:Just watched it. Great episode. They managed to fit in a ton of stuff without leaving you feeling like it was rushed.

Although the nuclear detonation being identifiable a light-year away was stretching the bounds of plausibility. Either those are some damn powerful nukes, or Cylon sensors are incredibly sensitive.
It's not that farfetched. Supposedly the Space Shuttle's main engines would be detectable from Pluto with our technology. From a light year away, a nuclear detonation would look like an anomalous X-ray burst--what else is going to produce a point source X-ray flash like that?

Alternately, they could have been listening for leaked Colonial wireless chatter and they heard radio interference from the detonation.
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One thing that bugged me, would the nuclear detonation of Cloud 9 leave some negative effect on the atmosphere? She seemed to already be in orbit above New Caprica. The nuke, Cloud 9's FTL drives as well as the other ships most have released a metric fuckload of radiation.

Also, it seems like there are 2 different settlements. The surface group and the fleet. It looks to me like the two don't interact all that much.

What is the purpose of the Quram of 12? The President seems to just make laws and policy (Roslyn with the abortion issue) and can just order the fleet to wherever (Baltar just demanding they all settle NC). People were adament about reforming it. There were big deals about the elections and such. Now, they look to be nothing more than a glorified bitching forum. There are no apparet checks and balances.

The Qo12 seem to have as much say with their President as this forum does with ours (well, our respective Presidents, PMs, sultans, Grand Viziers, etc etc)


As for Zarek, I don't know. He was so involved with Baltar's capaign and seems so power hungry, you would think he would have had a place as one of Baltar's advisors. A few possibilities:

1) On Cloud 9 when she went. Possible, as it seemed his place of residence, but I doubt it. He's too useful to the writers to wax like that.

2) On NC forming an underground resistence. We would have seen him at the union meeting.

3) He is Baltar's VP, just happen to be on a "fact finding tour" ie: He was getting ready to usurp Baltar i na coup and the Cylons showed up at thw worste possible moment. Seems most likely to me.

4) He's in the fleet managing the civlians. Somebody has to. Maybe.

5) Baltar already tossed him jail. Doubtful. Baltar can't stand up to type A people and thats what Zareck is.
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el blanco wrote:One thing that bugged me, would the nuclear detonation of Cloud 9 leave some negative effect on the atmosphere? She seemed to already be in orbit above New Caprica. The nuke, Cloud 9's FTL drives as well as the other ships most have released a metric fuckload of radiation.
There's been hundreds of nuclear detonations in Earth's atmosphere with no really obvious effect. A small nuke on a ship in high orbit won't be that harmful (and we don't know if they were directly above where they planned to settle). And do we know their FTL drives release high amounts of radiation
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RedImperator wrote:It's not that farfetched. Supposedly the Space Shuttle's main engines would be detectable from Pluto with our technology. From a light year away, a nuclear detonation would look like an anomalous X-ray burst--what else is going to produce a point source X-ray flash like that?
The problem is that there's a nebula there. Traveling through that gas is going to red-shift the burst from the detonation, and probably pretty significantly. After all, this nebula was supposedly dense enough that it shielded the existence of an entire planet from sensors. In other words, the nebula is so dense that a signal traveling through just the nebula has basically the same intensity as a signal which travels through both the planet and the nebula.
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[quote="el blanco"]What is the purpose of the Quram of 12? The President seems to just make laws and policy (Roslyn with the abortion issue) and can just order the fleet to wherever (Baltar just demanding they all settle NC). People were adament about reforming it. There were big deals about the elections and such. Now, they look to be nothing more than a glorified bitching forum. There are no apparet checks and balances.

The Qo12 seem to have as much say with their President as this forum does with ours (well, our respective Presidents, PMs, sultans, Grand Viziers, etc etc./quote]

We aren't seeing Colonial government working as intended in the Articles of Colonization. The Quorum of the Twelve could have been similar to the UN Security Council. It presumably has some sort of legislative function now that the governments of the individual planets don't exist any longer.
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Durandal wrote:Although the nuclear detonation being identifiable a light-year away was stretching the bounds of plausibility. Either those are some damn powerful nukes, or Cylon sensors are incredibly sensitive.
Or the cylon was bullshitting, and a spy signalled them.
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NecronLord wrote:
Durandal wrote:Although the nuclear detonation being identifiable a light-year away was stretching the bounds of plausibility. Either those are some damn powerful nukes, or Cylon sensors are incredibly sensitive.
Or the cylon was bullshitting, and a spy signalled them.
But, how did Gaeta get the signal out? It still needed to get throught the nebula.
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RedImperator wrote:I strongly suspect, by the way, that Baltar did everything he could to draw personnel off of the battlestars in order to weaken Adama. Remember, Adama was responsible for one coup already, and he actually respected Laura Roslin. I wonder if Adama wasn't biding his time, letting Baltar run the settlement into the ground until the people supported a second coup. At any rate, the Cylons screwed up everybody's plans.
Bing. The reason Adama went along with Baltar's frakked up plans to this point, was to wait until baltar absolutely screws things up; he remembers the total frakked up mess that the first coup led to; and doesn't want to do it again, unless he is assured of near total support in his removal of the president...and waiting until Baltar utterly screws up does this..
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Wow.

Okay, I'm all caught up on my nBSG, and first let me say; I'm still a fan! :D Since the emotions of the season finale - along with half of the second season which I missed watching the same time as the rest of the board - are all spinning in my head, this post will be long, and a bit random, as I try and catch up with all that's been shown.

First of all, President Laura Roslin; I too thought the writers 'flinched', but you'd be amazed at how much you learn about the inner workings and decision making process of the show when you listen to the podcasts. Yes, they essentially kept her alive because they wanted to do more with her, and they felt she had more to offer. And I for one am thrilled by this, since Stands-With-A-Fist is by and far a stand out character/actor and plot for this show.

The balls on her, and yet the quiet child like quality are perfectly human. I love the whole 'throw them out the airlock' attitude she has now, and I especially love the developing relationship between her and Adm. Adama - although I'm a bit suprised that it wasn't her and Apollo, but that was manly due to Stravo's insights, and not my own. The interaction between her and Adama after she was caught with her hand in the cookie jar was just, in my opinion spot on.

The Cylon religion; you know at first I didn't really know what to make of this, I mean the whole religion question has been so back and forth on this show, and this board but damn! The Cylon infiltrator model, who is a priest and an athiest just cracked me up! :lol: I hesitate to try and guess what the writer's are trying to do with this image (remember I listen to the podcasts, I know how much of this is made up on the spot), but it sort of puts into perspective of something that I've been wondering;

In the season finale, during the Presidential debates, Roslin makes a good, and I think potent point that hasn't been picked up by anyone on this board. Specifically regarding the scriptures, she makes the distinction between blind religious nuttary and asking the question as to whether or not there is any truth to the scriptures. Like there was truth about Kobol, about the temple of Athena, the arrow of Apollo and ultimately Earth.

And then you couple with that with what the priest said about how religion is primative life's explaination as to why the sun goes up and down, and it sort of hit me; what if the Cylon religion, is just a subtle stab at this by the writers? I mean what if they are like trying to show how 'human like' the Cylons have become that they have abandon 'cold hard machine' logic and started to self-delude themselves about devine entities? Pretty subtle if true, but remember how I prefaced all of this with the podcast revelations. :wink:

One Year Later

Wow. That was ballsy, and yet, right. It needed to be done, but here are a few (nitpick) gripes;

The tent city ... yes, the colonials can manufacture Vipers and Raptors in space, but yet they can't even erect brick structures (not even one that I saw) on a planet after ONE WHOLE YEAR? Come on, really. Apart from that, I loved the feel of the refugee 'hardship'.

The way the characters have 'moved on' and 'changed' was fucking great. Starbuck hugging Tigh nearly had me choking on my soft dring, fat Lee (who by the way looks like a younger version of Tony Soprano - check it out), union leader Tyrol (with preggas Cally), presidential aide Gaeta (oh you clever Cylon you [joke, joke]), officer Dualla (hot, hot, hot) and President Gaius Baltar - oh man, this show is so great.

On President Baltar, it sort of amazes me how quickly people are jumping up and down on the 'he is SuxX0rs' band wagon. I mean have you guys forgotten Roslin's presidency? The woman was doing an out fucking standing job and yet had to freaking monthly battles to keep her Presidency (no thanks to that snake Zarek). Obviously, some have to be doing slightly better to explain why popular up rising hasn't asked for Baltar's head on a platter. Otherwise this show took a little reality hit.

There has got to be a reason as to why he is still in power if he has been doing such a [presumeably] bad job.

There is no Cylon plan.

Seriously, the writers make this shit up as they go along, it's just a fake out. Still cool trying to guess as to what it is though, so here's my two cents; the joining of the races. That seems to be the only one that hasn't been completely blown to shits ever since the episode 'The Farm', and oh look, they have the rest of humanity all gathered up in New Caprica, how dandy to try and recruit willing participants.

Anyway, time for HUGE MASSIVE FUCK-OFF SPOILERS

In case you guys haven't figured it out we are up to here [32:1-6 and 32:25] which means, at any moment now Roslin will be coming down [the mountain] to open up a can of whoop ass!

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Vympel wrote:- is that chick with Roslin in the school the adopted mother of Helo/Sharon's child? EDIT: never mind, yes. And she's hot!
Listening to the podcast, I believe she was on the series 'The L Word', which means she might be open to girl-on-girl action, which you know is totally not bad at all! :mrgreen:
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A quick re-examination of Boomer's "8 cylons in the fleet":

Shelly Godfrey -> disappeared
Priest -> brig
D'anna -> still working on the news?
Boomer -> dead and resurrected
Leoben -> The Roslin Solution

Which leaves 3. Have I missed anyone?
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Gina -> dead in nuclear explosion
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Gheto Edit: Gina probably doesn't count though, does she.
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Braedley wrote:Gheto Edit: Gina probably doesn't count though, does she.
No because when Baltar was interrogating Boomer they haven't met the Pegasus.
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I'm surprised they didn't mount recons and materials-raids back to Caprica.
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NecronLord wrote:I'm surprised they didn't mount recons and materials-raids back to Caprica.
It's a long way back -- maybe the cost in fuel to get there isn't worth the effort. Besides, as far as the Colonials know (I'm pretty sure they didn't believe the priest, and even we don't know that he was on the level), there's a Cylon welcoming party waiting for them.
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Hey, there's a reason I said recon. I'm assuming their mining ships are still capable of getting fuel there, too. :shock:
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Grand Moff Yenchin wrote:A quick re-examination of Boomer's "8 cylons in the fleet":

Shelly Godfrey -> disappeared
Priest -> brig
D'anna -> still working on the news?
Boomer -> dead and resurrected
Leoben -> The Roslin Solution

Which leaves 3. Have I missed anyone?
Donal -> suicide bomber
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The problem with listing the cylons that have been seen in the fleet as part of the 8 that Sharon mentioned is that Baltar asked her how many cylons are left in the fleet. That'd preclude listing Loeben or Dorrel since they were already dead by the time Sharon knew she was questioned by Gaius. The only names that can be included are Shelly6, Xena and the Priest. The other 5 should still be up in the air.
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