"Dog fight" between USS Defiant and Republic assau

Dodge · Post by **Dodge** » 2002-12-09 09:19am

I think this would be quite a close one, with the Defiant's cloaking ability and other weapons. But would the ability to cloak allow the first shot? If so, would one shot be enough to knock out the assault ship before it used its turbolasers?

I leave it to you...

Jason von Evil · Post by **Jason von Evil** » 2002-12-09 09:26am

The Defiant has manuervability and speed, it's cloak might be useless if the assault ship can detect it.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2002-12-09 10:03am

I assume by Assault ship you mean the Acclamator. If the Acclamator had a backup bridge, the Defiant can't win. They can't get through the shields, and if the get off a first shot with the shields down 1.5 GT (150 MT a torp, 10 torps a volley) isn't enough to kill the ship. It would take out the bridge thing, but the armor would stop most of it if it went against the main body. Even if they don't have a backup bridge they can't win, because the engineers would follow SOP of getting all defenses online and the gunners are independent.

A more even debate would be a noncloaked Defiant class vs a Siener partol Craft.

Rightous Fist Of Heaven · Post by **Rightous Fist Of Heaven** » 2002-12-09 10:12am

Hmm it does not really matter even if the Acclamator cannot detect the Defiant, the Defiant can fire on the Acclamator for the whole week without making the crew on it even flinch.If the Acclamator gets a fix on the Defiant...its bye bye defiant.

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-12-09 10:13am

Would the Assault Ship have its shields down? If no ... bye bye defiant.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-12-09 10:58am

The Acclamator wins easily. It has the ability to destroy the Defiant in a single shot. The Defiant cannot possibly harm the Acclamator in a realistic manner. Thus, the Acclamator wins.

Dodge · Post by **Dodge** » 2002-12-09 11:46am

I was just having a bit of a philosophical daydream about whether stealth can beat brute force. But judging by the response, I think the smaller Defiant (170m) would lose against the 750m Assault ship. Compare stats below:

Defiant weapons:
Phaser (Bolt and Stream)
Quantum Torpedoes

Assault ship weapons:
12 quad turbolaser turrets
24 laser cannons
4 missile/torpedo tubes

Also, the Defiant has fewer crew, which means fewer fingers on fewer triggers etc. In this instance, size (and armour) means everything.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2002-12-09 12:04pm

Not only that the Definant actually would never lower the Accliminator's shields.

Literally it's not a matter of manuverability...it's a matter of one side never hurting the other.

starfury · Post by **starfury** » 2002-12-09 01:46pm

if the republic assualt ship is the acclamtor then the defiant is toast, that thing is immense and can take the definat out with one shot, the defiant will take forever to take down it's shields.

Zaku-chan · Post by **Zaku-chan** » 2002-12-09 02:03pm

Dodge wrote:I was just having a bit of a philosophical daydream about whether stealth can beat brute force.

Some times it can, but here, the fight is so one-sided it makes no difference.

jegs2 · Post by **jegs2** » 2002-12-09 02:36pm

I'll stand by the assertion that the Defiant might do some damage if it hit the Acclamator while its shields were down. Once its shields are up, the Defiant might wish to un-ass the AO, quick, fast, and in a hurry.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2002-12-09 02:58pm

The Defiant doesnt have enough energy aboard to drop the Acclamator's shields and would be rapidly destroyed in any case.

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-12-09 03:14pm

BANG! goes the Defiant.

Cpt_Frank · Post by **Cpt_Frank** » 2002-12-09 03:20pm

bye bye Defiant.
(we hardly knew ye)

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2002-12-09 04:03pm

Dodge it's all very well saying Defiant has x number of phasers etc, but even q-torps are liek bb guns compared to the weapons any starwars ship mounts.

In Space Battles they are reduced to pitting a single Tie Figher against as Defiant. I believe it is an even battle.

MirrorUniverseSpy1 · Post by **MirrorUniverseSpy1** » 2002-12-09 04:55pm

The Acclamator wins due to superior shields and firepower.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-12-09 05:02pm

Dodge wrote:I was just having a bit of a philosophical daydream about whether stealth can beat brute force. But judging by the response, I think the smaller Defiant (170m) would lose against the 750m Assault ship. Compare stats below:

Defiant weapons:
Phaser (Bolt and Stream)
Quantum Torpedoes

Assault ship weapons:
12 quad turbolaser turrets
24 laser cannons
4 missile/torpedo tubes

Also, the Defiant has fewer crew, which means fewer fingers on fewer triggers etc. In this instance, size (and armour) means everything.

Erm.... sort of. You are correct in determining the victor, but your process is flawed. The larger crew of an Acclamator is a meaningless statistic for the purposes of combat ability, and the weapons used by both ships are meaningless without an understanding of their capabilities.