You=Imperial officer, which Trek race would you exterminate

frogcurry · Post by **frogcurry** » 2006-03-05 04:06pm

Why let the Baku enjoy the benefits at all? Put them in a spaceship where they can die slowly like everyone else and see the Rape of Baku for the good of Our New Imperial Citizens (Who Used To Be The Federation). And obviously, we need to impress the ONIC (WUTBTF) by turning the borg into a bug-splat on an SSD's bridge windscreens.

Carrot and stick.

HARM · Post by **HARM** » 2006-03-06 09:09pm

Why bother exterminating one. Just bring the DS and slowly pick off Alpha Quadrant's planets. Its what they deserve for not listening to you and surrendering instantly.

Cos Dashit · Post by **Cos Dashit** » 2006-03-07 05:03pm

The Death Star's main weapon takes several hours to recharge, at least the DS1. And the Federation has several thousand planets. This method would be extremely time-consuming, as apposed to simply taking out the Borg and having the others become servile out of fear.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2006-03-07 05:13pm

Cos Dashit wrote:The Death Star's main weapon takes several hours to recharge, at least the DS1. And the Federation has several thousand planets. This method would be extremely time-consuming, as apposed to simply taking out the Borg and having the others become servile out of fear.

Not at all. A 1e38 J shot takes a day to charge. A simple planet-bust would take under a second.

Anomie · Post by **Anomie** » 2006-03-09 09:16pm

Cos Dashit wrote:The Death Star's main weapon takes several hours to recharge, at least the DS1. And the Federation has several thousand planets. This method would be extremely time-consuming, as apposed to simply taking out the Borg and having the others become servile out of fear.

Emphasis mine.

Picard said in first contact that the Federation was made up of 150 worlds spread across 8,000 lightyears. Since the Death Star Mk. I was fully ready to destroy Yavin 4 when it reached the Yavin system, and we know that trans-galactic trips take only hours, it seems to have a pretty good recharg rate. Now if we assign an arbitrary number to the recharge rate of twelve hours, that means you get two shots a day, so you could obliterate two planets a day while continuing on your merry way. 150 planets divided by two a day equals 75 days until every world of the Federation is an expanding pile of rubble. In less than three months, you would have completely wiped out the most powerful AQ government with a single ship.

Doesn't seem like that bad of a way to show everyone who's the new big boy on the block.

Cos Dashit · Post by **Cos Dashit** » 2006-03-09 09:27pm

Sorry, didn't mean the Federation. I meant the Star Trek Universe.

My apologize.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2006-03-09 09:34pm

Cos Dashit wrote:Sorry, didn't mean the Federation. I meant the Star Trek Universe.

My apologize.

Oh, there are millions of planets, but so what?

Why the hell would you destroy them all? Almost none can offer even token resistance to a single Star Destroyer. The Death Star is overkill, to be used only as a PR event, like destroying Unicomplex Zero.

Cos Dashit · Post by **Cos Dashit** » 2006-03-09 09:47pm

SirNitram wrote:
Cos Dashit wrote:Sorry, didn't mean the Federation. I meant the Star Trek Universe.

My apologize.
Oh, there are millions of planets, but so what?

Why the hell would you destroy them all? Almost none can offer even token resistance to a single Star Destroyer. The Death Star is overkill, to be used only as a PR event, like destroying Unicomplex Zero.

Yes, I agree, that's what I was saying to the person who suggested it.

chitoryu12 · Post by **chitoryu12** » 2006-03-09 10:15pm

Use the Death Star to crack the Dyson Sphere. That should make half the galaxy submit to the Empire. The rest will get a visit from stormtroopers. And if Earth doesn't submit, send in Vader.

Kadaeux · Post by **Kadaeux** » 2006-03-17 06:24am

I would eliminate the ST humans, I mean honestly all that kindness, diplomacy and peace makes my skin crawl with revulsion.

As to methods I would settle for the simple and effective BDZ. (Why waste resources on Death Stars, you could build enough SDs to eliminate ten times the planets population at once.)

Post by **NecronLord** » 2006-03-17 02:19pm

chitoryu12 wrote:Use the Death Star to crack the Dyson Sphere. That should make half the galaxy submit to the Empire. The rest will get a visit from stormtroopers. And if Earth doesn't submit, send in Vader.

The dyson sphere isn't that much of a landmark. And it would be sheer vandalism.

chitoryu12 · Post by **chitoryu12** » 2006-03-18 12:05am

NecronLord wrote:
chitoryu12 wrote:Use the Death Star to crack the Dyson Sphere. That should make half the galaxy submit to the Empire. The rest will get a visit from stormtroopers. And if Earth doesn't submit, send in Vader.
The dyson sphere isn't that much of a landmark. And it would be sheer vandalism.

Yeah, you're probably right. My bad.

PREDATOR490 · Post by **PREDATOR490** » 2006-03-18 04:52am

chitoryu12 wrote:Use the Death Star to crack the Dyson Sphere. That should make half the galaxy submit to the Empire. The rest will get a visit from stormtroopers. And if Earth doesn't submit, send in Vader.

If your looking to send a message of power throughout the galaxy then their are only 2 viable targets that would achieve the effect.

1) Borg
2) Federation

If you kill the Borg the entire galaxy will think you are a good guy and you wont really HAVE to force them to submit. Even if they DONT like you then the ability to wipe out the most powerful race within the entire galaxy would pretty much tell them you arent someone to "fuck" with.

Using force by destroying planets has been shown to be the folly of the Empire before.
The 1st Death Star made the mistake of attempting to cause fear by destruction of a peaceful and unarmed planet, the result was a large majority of forces shifting to the Rebellions side.

As powerful and brilliant SW technology is, a Imperial soldier can still be killed by a head shot as any human. Armour etc. not withstanding. The Rebellion was on an uneven footing for years and inflicted more damage through hot and run than the Empire was able to manage.

The Empire dosent posses that much firepower and ships to control 2 galaxies, it cant even control 1 even at its peak. So with this in mind using strong arm tactics would only force the galaxy to form their own Rebellion.

It might take millions of years and result in the destruction of every single planet in the galaxy but to quote a phrase:

"The fiercist enemy is the one with nothing to lose"

Post by **Surlethe** » 2006-03-18 10:00am

PREDATOR490 wrote:Using force by destroying planets has been shown to be the folly of the Empire before.
The 1st Death Star made the mistake of attempting to cause fear by destruction of a peaceful and unarmed planet, the result was a large majority of forces shifting to the Rebellions side.

Excuse me? Even after the destruction of the second Death Star, the Empire outgunned the Alliance by several orders of magnitude.

As powerful and brilliant SW technology is, a Imperial soldier can still be killed by a head shot as any human. Armour etc. not withstanding. The Rebellion was on an uneven footing for years and inflicted more damage through hot and run than the Empire was able to manage.

No, the Empire was doing just fine; the Alliance was simply incredibly lucky to kill the Emperor and Vader in a single stroke.

The Empire dosent posses that much firepower and ships to control 2 galaxies, it cant even control 1 even at its peak. So with this in mind using strong arm tactics would only force the galaxy to form their own Rebellion.

The Empire easily controlled the Star Wars galaxy, and its industrial capacity would certainly permit it to control the Federation galaxy as well, since the Empire is billions of times more powerful than the Federation or any of its neighbors.

It might take millions of years and result in the destruction of every single planet in the galaxy but to quote a phrase:

"The fiercist enemy is the one with nothing to lose"

Try a fierce stone-age army with nothing to lose against the US military, and you'll get a good idea of what this matchup would be like.

Pint0 Xtreme · Post by **Pint0 Xtreme** » 2006-03-18 01:18pm

PREDATOR490 wrote:The Rebellion was on an uneven footing for years and inflicted more damage through hot and run than the Empire was able to manage.

The Empire dosent posses that much firepower and ships to control 2 galaxies, it cant even control 1 even at its peak. So with this in mind using strong arm tactics would only force the galaxy to form their own Rebellion.

I would like to know where this bullshit stems from. In between ANH and RotJ, the Empire obliterated a highly alliance-sympathetic planet, razed the rebel hidden base, quarantined hundreds of dissident systems with military garrisons and reduced the rebel fleet to a handful of cruisers as seen at the Battle of Endor. Just before the destruction of the second Death Star, the Empire was at its peak of its galactic power while the Rebel Alliance was close to its end.

Why are trekkies so prone to portray the Empire as an incompetent giant and the Rebellion as an organization which has grown rather than shrunk during the course of the old trilogy? You'd think that if the entire Rebellion would have been completely crushed had they simply lost the Battle of Endor that the situation is far more dire than what the trekkies constantly claim.

Cos Dashit · Post by **Cos Dashit** » 2006-03-18 09:20pm

PREDATOR490 wrote:If your looking to send a message of power throughout the galaxy then their are only 2 viable targets that would achieve the effect.

1) Borg
2) Federation

If you kill the Borg the entire galaxy will think you are a good guy and you wont really HAVE to force them to submit. Even if they DONT like you then the ability to wipe out the most powerful race within the entire galaxy would pretty much tell them you arent someone to "fuck" with.

I am completely down with this quote.

PREDATOR490 wrote:Using force by destroying planets has been shown to be the folly of the Empire before.
The 1st Death Star made the mistake of attempting to cause fear by destruction of a peaceful and unarmed planet, the result was a large majority of forces shifting to the Rebellions side.

Systems might have shifted to the Rebellion in their mindset, but certainly not in their actions. It did indeed create sympathy for the Rebellion, but at the same time less systems physically supported the Rebellion.

PREDATOR490 wrote:The Rebellion was on an uneven footing for years and inflicted more damage through hot and run than the Empire was able to manage.

The largest damage they inflicted on the Empire was the destruction of the first and second Death Star. Other than that though, the Rebellion was really just hiding and on the move running from the Empire.

PREDATOR490 wrote:The Empire dosent posses that much firepower and ships to control 2 galaxies, it cant even control 1 even at its peak. So with this in mind using strong arm tactics would only force the galaxy to form their own Rebellion.

They could pretty much handle the Milky Way with a hundred Star Destroyers and a couple Super Star Destroyers. And I am being extremely generous, they could probably do it with far less.
Their land battles might present a bit more of a problem for the Empire. This depends on whether or not phasers reflect off of Super Battle Droids (I know they use clones, but they probably do not posess enough for the whole Milky Way, so I was thinking they could revive some old technology). If they didn't reflect off, the quadrillions of battle droids and billions of clones could certainly overwhelm the Federation and the other Star Trek species.

PREDATOR490 wrote:It might take millions of years and result in the destruction of every single planet in the galaxy but to quote a phrase:

"The fiercist enemy is the one with nothing to lose"

They may not have anything to lose, but that certainly does not give them any more of a chance. Even if they resorted to kamikaze attacks, it wouldn't make much of a difference.

Kadaeux · Post by **Kadaeux** » 2006-03-19 05:57am

The largest damage they inflicted on the Empire was the destruction of the first and second Death Star. Other than that though, the Rebellion was really just hiding and on the move running from the Empire.

And an SSD. Probably about 30 Ties as well.

Systems might have shifted to the Rebellion in their mindset, but certainly not in their actions. It did indeed create sympathy for the Rebellion, but at the same time less systems physically supported the Rebellion.

I agree wholeheartedly, if you saw someone destroy a planet are you really going to turn to that person and say "Fuck you, and my people say Fuck you too!" Even though your thinking it no, your going to pucker up and kiss that suckers rear end for all your lips are worth. (Though i'd still say fuck you myself, a politician is incapable of such bravery.)

"The fiercist enemy is the one with nothing to lose"

Except their lives, and the empire would have no qualms taking them too.

chitoryu12 · Post by **chitoryu12** » 2006-03-20 05:16pm

Planets are run by politicians. Politicians are always out for their own ass, not the galaxy's. If the Empire had remained strong after the Battle of Endor and the Emperor survived, what are the chances that politicians would be brave enough to join the Rebellion?

Cos Dashit · Post by **Cos Dashit** » 2006-03-20 06:42pm

chitoryu12 wrote:Planets are run by politicians. Politicians are always out for their own ass, not the galaxy's. If the Empire had remained strong after the Battle of Endor and the Emperor survived, what are the chances that politicians would be brave enough to join the Rebellion?

Princess Leia? Mon Mothma?

Base Delta Zero · Post by **Base Delta Zero** » 2006-03-20 10:02pm

I'm not exactly the exterminating type (despite the name), but I'd have to go with the Borg, because no one likes them anyways, they're a hive mind so it would really only be killing one, and besides, they're evil. Yeah, I'm just not cut out to be an Imperial officer. Not enough viciousness and way too much sanity.

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2006-03-21 05:04am

Cos Dashit wrote:
chitoryu12 wrote:Planets are run by politicians. Politicians are always out for their own ass, not the galaxy's. If the Empire had remained strong after the Battle of Endor and the Emperor survived, what are the chances that politicians would be brave enough to join the Rebellion?
Princess Leia? Mon Mothma?

Both of them, along with Garm Bel Iblis, were part of the rebellion long before this. Since they represent nearly the sum total of major politicians that we know got involved along with Bail Organa, it seems unlikely that vast numbers of additional politicians would suddenly develop intestinal fortitude and moral integrity, when an example has just been made of one of the few with the balls to try to do something about the Empire.

TimothyC · Post by **TimothyC** » 2006-03-22 12:58am

Noble Ire wrote:
Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:Neelix's race is an excellent candidate for utter destruction.
Aren't most of them already dead? I don't remember much about Voyager (thankfully), but I seem to recall that his homeworld was destroyed by some superweapon or something.

As for my choice, I'm not really the xenocidal type, but if push came to shove, I'd probably choose the Ba'ku. They always struck me as being unbearably pretenious and self-superior.

The planet's moon was hit. Most Talaxians are either
A. Slaves on Talax
B. Traders Like Nelix
or
C. Living ins small colonies as seen near the end of Voyager.

PREDATOR490 · Post by **PREDATOR490** » 2006-03-22 05:35am

Killing an inferior race would be relatively pointless in an attempt to display power and as far as Neelix's race, they are already on the brink of being wiped out.

Whats left of them wouldnt even require much of an attempt to kill them.

Best candidate is the Borg becasue they offer the most potential resistance.
However, I suspect that wiping out a race completely would be equally silly, especially in the Borg case. Just kick them to the point that they surrender then have them join the Empire.

They would be great for a R&D department and make excellent replacements for droids. The ability to have their kind of adaptive shielding and assimilation technology could be useful for the Empire.

Just imagine what would have happened if Vader had used a drone to get the rebel base location out of Leia rather than an interrogation droid.

The other potential target would be the Dominion, they have a pretty neat little setup, get Jem Hadar to replace Stormtroopers and you have a disposable - fully bred race -.
The shapeshifers would make pretty cool spies.

LaCroix · Post by **LaCroix** » 2006-03-22 06:41am

PREDATOR490 wrote:Killing an inferior race would be relatively pointless in an attempt to display power and as far as Neelix's race, they are already on the brink of being wiped out.

Whats left of them wouldnt even require much of an attempt to kill them.

Best candidate is the Borg becasue they offer the most potential resistance.
However, I suspect that wiping out a race completely would be equally silly, especially in the Borg case. Just kick them to the point that they surrender then have them join the Empire.

They would be great for a R&D department and make excellent replacements for droids. The ability to have their kind of adaptive shielding and assimilation technology could be useful for the Empire.

Just imagine what would have happened if Vader had used a drone to get the rebel base location out of Leia rather than an interrogation droid.

The other potential target would be the Dominion, they have a pretty neat little setup, get Jem Hadar to replace Stormtroopers and you have a disposable - fully bred race -.
The shapeshifers would make pretty cool spies.

Borg don't surrender.

Adaprive shielding my ass, what frequency to adapt when you dont have one. Imperial shields are per definition adapted to EVERY possible frequency (since they are perma-on)!

R&D? Since the only assimiliate knowledge and tech, what good would they be to think NEW ideas? They are not capable of creating something new anymore! The only assamble known tech to use it.

SW droids are far more sophisticated than borg and cheaper to supply. Even C3PO was faster and more versatile!!

Who needs assimilation if you don't need drones?

The only thing about the borg which is of use for the imperium is their technology of getting information out of ones mind by interfacing it to a computer. But you don't need the borg as a race for that. Get that technology and then dump these puppets.

Jem Hadar would do nice as clonetroopers, if you actually teach them some tactics.

Shapeshifters don't work, scanners can identify them. also, they are to sneaky and potential traitors. Spy droids and long range sensors are far more effective.

PREDATOR490 · Post by **PREDATOR490** » 2006-03-22 07:26am

Borg have double backed on their whole "superior" attitude before when they negotiated with Janeway for their weapon against Species 8472.

So its not as if they are 100% fanatical, they ARE practical when they are being directly threatened which in the case of VS. the Empire they are completely fucked.
They may surrender or negotiate. Either way its a potential way to nab their technology... something which wont be nearly as good as stealing it since they may just wipe their memory of all the stuff they know. Such a waste of resources.

Get them to negotiate, get the info and tech THEN kill them.

As for R&D.... Borg would be great. Sure they suck at innovation but their speed at working is unparreled. We are talking about things that can remould their ships, open time portals, make transwarp hubs and create rifts to Species 8472 space.

Something must be letting them get this kinda of shit and building it. They may steal the tech from someone else but the fact that they can steal it and use it so quickly makes them potentially useful.
Look how quickly they ripped into the Enterprise in First Contact.

They would be fantastic cannon fodder and even better at assimilating enemy ships. Why destroy something when you can just stick the Borg on em' and have the ship crew used as cannon fodder.

The nanotechnology would also be something that the Empire could use. The only example of nanotechnology in SW was when a nano virus was used against Mon Mothma.
Borg Nanotech has the ability to build drones from completely random junk.

The episode in One where it turns a small 29th century holo projector into a full drone should be adament proof that Nano tech is pretty neat. Additonally, the Borg have shown that their nano tech can be used as a pretty potent virus as was seen against Species 8472 and they were going to use nano tech to assimilate the Federation simply by pouring it into the atmosphere.

All potentially useful perks that the Empire could use for military and domestic purposes.

SW droids are more sophisticated ?
B1s can be disabled by a kick and depend on the control ship.
SBD were good but would be so much better with the Borg personnel shields.
Addtionally, in Descent the rogue drones there were quite nimble as opposed to regular drones so its not as if they cant be taught how to move faster. Something which would probably be done by the Empire.

The collective part to the drones is another potential benefit, having every droid or drone able to work and think as one means they could never be attacked without another knowing.
Take a look at TPM, if the droids at the hanger had been in a collective they would have been able to identify Qui Gon and co immediatly.
As for the tactical advantages, having an army of droids working as one and converging their firepower on a single target - even a jedi would improve combat effectiveness substatnially.

Basically put:
Combining SW droid perks with Borg drone perks would make for a whole new army of disposable units with improve tactical coordination and the ability to work as a group and if need be, independantly.

The Jem Hadar have that whole stealth thing going on and they are fanatically loyal.
Use them as the borg drones biological unit and you should have a decent army.
They can grow up within a week, and are pretty much breed to do as they are told.

Shapeshifters would be more useful for getting into the hard to reach places and stuff, and while they may be traitors all you have to do is have an SD sit above their homeworld and they should fall into line.