You=Imperial officer, which Trek race would you exterminate

[LaCroix]

Borg have double backed on their whole "superior" attitude before when they negotiated with Janeway for their weapon against Species 8472.

Jepp, and when they get what they want, they try to assimilate you in return. That is not negotiation. and they never surrendered. Negotiation is no option for someone who outclasses the borg by OoM!

As for R&D.... Borg would be great. Sure they suck at innovation but their speed at working is unparreled. We are talking about things that can remould their ships, open time portals, make transwarp hubs and create rifts to Species 8472 space.

Something must be letting them get this kinda of shit and building it. They may steal the tech from someone else but the fact that they can steal it and use it so quickly makes them potentially useful.

They stole all those tech. they just used it to build hubs, etc. They are that fast at repairing because they have a lots of self-repair systems.

also, they use thing like replicators. The feddies can rebuild a ship as fast if they want, even faster, because they dont have the max speed of a wineyardslug!

Remember, the GI built a 900km diameter space station in secret in about half a year near to completion. We were talking about some weeks till finalization, thats why the rebels had to rush their attack!

They would be fantastic cannon fodder and even better at assimilating enemy ships. Why destroy something when you can just stick the Borg on em' and have the ship crew used as cannon fodder.

The only use in fight would be cannon fodder.. No guns, slow walk, no evading. The empire simply blows up ships. They don't need the ressources that much, like a tiny-100 planet group would. They only board if they need someone alife/something. And they do it with good efficiency - who needs borg?

The nanotechnology would also be something that the Empire could use. The only example of nanotechnology in SW was when a nano virus was used against Mon Mothma.
Borg Nanotech has the ability to build drones from completely random junk.

The episode in One where it turns a small 29th century holo projector into a full drone should be adament proof that Nano tech is pretty neat. Additonally, the Borg have shown that their nano tech can be used as a pretty potent virus as was seen against Species 8472 and they were going to use nano tech to assimilate the Federation simply by pouring it into the atmosphere.

They dont use nanotech, because it is uneconomic, like replication (which is only used for fast building of wholebuildings on planets, since it needs a horrible amount of energy more than conventional production.)

Its use as weapons is also inefficient, too. thats why you use guns!

Borg nanotech is not above SW nanotech, it's only the thing that borg are tech-wankers by definition and dont care about the energy efficiency of the process.

SW droids are more sophisticated ?
B1s can be disabled by a kick and depend on the control ship.
SBD were good but would be so much better with the Borg personnel shields.

Yupp, shields which are frequency based (since they adapt) against weapons without frequency and a lot of brute force.. Useless crap, not enough power. Ever seen Droidekas?
They have personal shields, too, and those shields are higher power. If the imps will use personal shields, they would certainly not use the whimpy borgish ones.

The collective part to the drones is another potential benefit, having every droid or drone able to work and think as one means they could never be attacked without another knowing.
Take a look at TPM, if the droids at the hanger had been in a collective they would have been able to identify Qui Gon and co immediatly.
As for the tactical advantages, having an army of droids working as one and converging their firepower on a single target - even a jedi would improve combat effectiveness substatnially.

Basically put:
Combining SW droid perks with Borg drone perks would make for a whole new army of disposable units with improve tactical coordination and the ability to work as a group and if need be, independantly.

So why dont we use droids with a network, instead? No need to nourish the body(which is inefficient by definition), you can just switch them off, so they don't need ANY power (borg bodies still need power when asleep), faster reflexes (no nerves&muscles to hamper reaction), higher accuracy in targeting. I could go on for decades.

The Jem Hadar have that whole stealth thing going on and they are fanatically loyal.
Use them as the borg drones biological unit and you should have a decent army.
They can grow up within a week, and are pretty much breed to do as they are told.

Well, the stealth is nice, but isn't needed. Imps overwhelm their foes, and they don't have that many to need an invisible army. Also, since they have multiple means(gravity sensors, etc) to look through a ships cloaking (thats why they don't use it), I doubt these shields would work.

BUT since I told you above that a pure droid army would outmatch an borg army, and they can produce several droids per second, even a one-week breeding per drone is useless. droids are also loyal and do what they're told, too.

Shapeshifters would be more useful for getting into the hard to reach places and stuff, and while they may be traitors all you have to do is have an SD sit above their homeworld and they should fall into line.

Minidroids are more relyable and more numerous. if you can't gt in, blast a hole into the wall... The Imps are not known for their subtilety. The don't fear diplomatic backlash. they conquer. Also, there are shapeshifters in the SW galaxy, and they learnt to deal with that millenia ago. No big deal.

[PREDATOR490]

Remember, the GI built a 900km diameter space station in secret in about half a year near to completion. We were talking about some weeks till finalization, thats why the rebels had to rush their attack!

They were partly rushing cause they didnt want to attack when its superlaser was operation for the exact reason of what happened when it DID fire. The other reason was they didnt want to miss the chance of killing Palpatine.
Essentially "a kill 2 birds with 1 stone" thing.
If Palpatine had been smart and had the DS fire the laser from the start most of the Rebel fleet would have been in ashes.
The cruisers would have been killed quite effectively.

They would be fantastic cannon fodder and even better at assimilating enemy ships. Why destroy something when you can just stick the Borg on em' and have the ship crew used as cannon fodder.

The only use in fight would be cannon fodder.. No guns, slow walk, no evading. The empire simply blows up ships. They don't need the ressources that much, like a tiny-100 planet group would. They only board if they need someone alife/something. And they do it with good efficiency - who needs borg?

This is from COLLECTIVE Borg. As I said there have been examples that Borg drones have actually started using weapons, evaded and moved really fast.
So its not cause they CANT do it, just becasue they dont do it.
Something which could easily be taught to them if they are "reprogrammed"
Any amount of resources is cool and for the sake of morale and to be equally decimating to the enemy, if you can capture their ships easily and use them against them so much the better.
Really, why destroy the Enterprise when you can return to Earth or any hero ship of that nation and proudly say...
"This is your best crew and ship.... PWNED"


As for nanotech viruses... heh people like Isard and her virus would probably have been better off using something like that.

Yupp, shields which are frequency based (since they adapt) against weapons without frequency and a lot of brute force.. Useless crap, not enough power. Ever seen Droidekas?
They have personal shields, too, and those shields are higher power. If the imps will use personal shields, they would certainly not use the whimpy borgish ones.

Destroyer Droids are heavy weapon platfroms. Having regular SBDs and B1s equipped with even SOME shielding would improve their efficency in combat.
Frequency based or not it may be possible to use Borg tech to design shields which are equal to destroyers and small enough to be made in regular combat droids.
Even a frequency shield would prevent any ST races from beaming droids into space. Might not do much but personnally I like to keep losses to next to 0.
Everything that can achieve that goal would be utilised. Throwing away stuff because you have so much of it is inefficent and just bad practice.

So why dont we use droids with a network, instead? No need to nourish the body(which is inefficient by definition), you can just switch them off, so they don't need ANY power (borg bodies still need power when asleep), faster reflexes (no nerves&muscles to hamper reaction), higher accuracy in targeting. I could go on for decades.

Well using the Borg drones and collective thing was shown to give them a "field" which improved healing. This field was generated by the sheer amount of "will" or "minds" being harnessed as one. Might be a potential weapon against Force users since this "collective" would perhaps block a Jedi.
This is assuming that you dont end up with the REALLY cool idea of Borg Force users.
Having Borg channeling the Force in concert like the Collective could make them pretty powerful.
Since some of the force seems to be affected by medicholorians is also possible that Borg Nanotech could be used to enhance or assimilate this particular part of the blood.

Well, the stealth is nice, but isn't needed. Imps overwhelm their foes, and they don't have that many to need an invisible army. Also, since they have multiple means(gravity sensors, etc) to look through a ships cloaking (thats why they don't use it), I doubt these shields would work.

BUT since I told you above that a pure droid army would outmatch an borg army, and they can produce several droids per second, even a one-week breeding per drone is useless. droids are also loyal and do what they're told, too.

Having every edge available helps, in a situation where the Empire dosent have the oppertunity to "overwhelm" or ability to use such sensor technology then it gives the Empire side an advantage.
Addtionally, droids are stupid, going by SBDs and B1s they really are dumb shits.
Jem Hadar arent great themselves but they do have SOME ability to think for themselves and provide SOME modicum of tactical ability.

The droids are only useful in situations where numbers are the trumph card but if its a battle of wits then droids are screwed.
Even if its a niche part of the military and can be beaten, using every single ability you can and providing them the oppertunity to use them during times when such abilties can be brought to full use, is something which would be wise to use.
Clone troopers are equally brash and their loyalty was ensured through being more dependant on orders.
Jem Hadar are programmed to be more receptive to the Founders ONLY.
Its a small distinction but a powerful one.

So the Empire could make troops that obey only who they want them to obey while being fully trained from the very gentics - something which wasnt done with clone troopers.
It took a while for clone troopers to develop, your talking about 1 week for a Jem Hadar to develop into a fully trained soldier.

Shapeshifters would be more useful for getting into the hard to reach places and stuff, and while they may be traitors all you have to do is have an SD sit above their homeworld and they should fall into line.

Minidroids are more relyable and more numerous. if you can't gt in, blast a hole into the wall... The Imps are not known for their subtilety. The don't fear diplomatic backlash. they conquer. Also, there are shapeshifters in the SW galaxy, and they learnt to deal with that millenia ago. No big deal.

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Droids as said before are expensive to create and require materials while you can nab the shapeshifters for free.
As for being subtle, well thats the problem with Imperials and one I would not share. If the Empire was more Subtle then they would have had less problems, however, thats a different topic.

Also it wasnt specifically said wether all these perks would just be used in the SW galaxy. If the Empire is going to try and take the ST galaxy which dosent have as sophisticated technology then might as well use every weapon you can.

[LaCroix]

They were partly rushing cause they didnt want to attack when its superlaser was operation for the exact reason of what happened when it DID fire. The other reason was they didnt want to miss the chance of killing Palpatine.
Essentially "a kill 2 birds with 1 stone" thing.
If Palpatine had been smart and had the DS fire the laser from the start most of the Rebel fleet would have been in ashes.
The cruisers would have been killed quite effectively.

And how exactly does this make the SW building slower, making the Borg building better?

This is from COLLECTIVE Borg. As I said there have been examples that Borg drones have actually started using weapons, evaded and moved really fast.
So its not cause they CANT do it, just becasue they dont do it.
Something which could easily be taught to them if they are "reprogrammed"
Any amount of resources is cool and for the sake of morale and to be equally decimating to the enemy, if you can capture their ships easily and use them against them so much the better.
Really, why destroy the Enterprise when you can return to Earth or any hero ship of that nation and proudly say...
"This is your best crew and ship.... PWNED"

So capturing a ship that is far inferior than your own ships is useful ressource? So you start looting dead soldiers after battle to collect every bullet? Stop playing so much online RPGs.

And for the PWNED -> thats what galaxy wide broadcasts of an engagement are for. Just use one HTL on the enterprise and broadcast it.

Destroyer Droids are heavy weapon platfroms. Having regular SBDs and B1s equipped with even SOME shielding would improve their efficency in combat.
Frequency based or not it may be possible to use Borg tech to design shields which are equal to destroyers and small enough to be made in regular combat droids.
Even a frequency shield would prevent any ST races from beaming droids into space. Might not do much but personnally I like to keep losses to next to 0.
Everything that can achieve that goal would be utilised. Throwing away stuff because you have so much of it is inefficent and just bad practice.

Yes they are. And the other droids were CHEAP designs, bid in Billions of billions units... How much ist the cost of a planets population in drones, eating, breathing, etc. droids only use energy if active, and are stored when switched off!

To be that powerful, it must contain enough energy, thus making it probably as big as a destroyer droids shield.
Also, again, they just didn't equip the droids with shields to make them CHEAP!

Second. There is NO way, a UPF ship would be still in the position to fight when boarded by imps. on ion blast would disable the computer and shut down the power(remember: Ion storms are TEH UEBER!, and any hit with other weapons would completely destroy it.

Also, how is being beamed into open space bad for DROIDS?

Well using the Borg drones and collective thing was shown to give them a "field" which improved healing. This field was generated by the sheer amount of "will" or "minds" being harnessed as one. Might be a potential weapon against Force users since this "collective" would perhaps block a Jedi.
This is assuming that you dont end up with the REALLY cool idea of Borg Force users.
Having Borg channeling the Force in concert like the Collective could make them pretty powerful.
Since some of the force seems to be affected by medicholorians is also possible that Borg Nanotech could be used to enhance or assimilate this particular part of the blood.

jupp, because we see borg stand up again after being killed, oh wait, we didn't. You can rebuild a broken droid, you kan't revive a killed drone.

Jupp, Jedi-Borg. Assimilation is the path to "jedidom".

Having every edge available helps, in a situation where the Empire dosent have the oppertunity to "overwhelm" or ability to use such sensor technology then it gives the Empire side an advantage.
Addtionally, droids are stupid, going by SBDs and B1s they really are dumb shits.
Jem Hadar arent great themselves but they do have SOME ability to think for themselves and provide SOME modicum of tactical ability.

Ouch.. moving goalpost can hurt your back!!

You clearly stated jem hadar as DRONES. As drones, they have the tactical capabilities of firehydrants.

It is undisputed that:

And, the Noogri are as fanatic loyal as jem-hadar, but the cloning aspect would be a bonus.

Droids as said before are expensive to create and require materials while you can nab the shapeshifters for free.

And they are not relyable, since they hate solids and therefore have to be pressed into service. Also, you can build millions of droids for cheap cash (droids are the SW equivalent of toasters- everyone has one!)

IF you need such spies over those they already have.

As for being subtle, well thats the problem with Imperials and one I would not share. If the Empire was more Subtle then they would have had less problems, however, thats a different topic.

Also it wasnt specifically said wether all these perks would just be used in the SW galaxy. If the Empire is going to try and take the ST galaxy which dosent have as sophisticated technology then might as well use every weapon you can.

Nope, the problem with the empire is the bit subtilety they HAVE. If they used the DS, the rebellion would have been off the table! Brute force works!

All this things would be useless in the SW galaxy.. no need for such things to handle a insurgency with about a dozen capships, which has gotten its ayy handed over in every fleet encounter. They never really scored exept from the lucky hits due to luke skywalker. if it wasnt for luke, the movies would have ended with ANH!

In the ST galaxy, nothing would be useful. just send one sector fleet to conquer. go to earth, kill the fleet and ask them to surrender, bdz planet if they dont. repeat for every other mayor force. You doin't need new tricks if your old ones are magnitueds better than everything your opponent can field.

[chitoryu12]

LaCroix-droids are the SW equivalent of toasters- everyone has one!

And who wouldn't want to stick a laser on a toaster and send it into battle?

[Plekhanov]

And he'll kill you and everyone else who knows about the Baku planet, so he alone may enjoy the benefits. Remember, Sith Lords are very selfish people.

I don't know about that. While it is true that the Sith are undeniably evil, their evilness, in my opinion, was heavily overstated in the EU. George Lucas himself is quoted as saying that Palpatine actually thought he was doing a good thing by creating the Galactic Empire...bringing peace to the galaxy and so forth. For all their alleged brutality, the Sith rarely do anything without having a motive for doing it. Assuming I was a valued Imperial officer, I imagine the Emperor would be more inclined to keep me around than kill me for the benefit of having an entire planet all to himself (a dubious pleasure, to be sure, unless one enjoys extreme isolation).

You seem to be confusing madness with evil; doing bad things without a motive is madness, doing bad things just because you have a motive is evil.

Just because Palpatine had a motive to engineer a galactic civil war (ie him ruling the galaxy as Emperor) that doesn't mean doing so wasn't evil.

[Noble Ire]

Just because Palpatine had a motive to engineer a galactic civil war (ie him ruling the galaxy as Emperor) that doesn't mean doing so wasn't evil.

Very true. And Sith have a tendancy towards disproportionate response as well. For example, in other circles, the destruction of an entire occupied city and the slaughter of billions-trillions of its inhabitants generally isn't an acceptable extension of a fugitive manhunt (Malak's destruction of Taris). Or, on a smaller scale, Anakin's 'venting' after his mother was killed.