Feedback Requested: Mat Theory

[Mr Bean]

Since I can't get ahold of Mike easily and he has provided us all with this wonderful BBI I though I migth as well expose an idea I've been kicking around since roughly I was 12(I had a boring summer and a few Quantum Mech books around and not much else to do ok?)


Basic Multi-unverise theory of mine(Also infulance by Sci-Fi, spesficly the great idea but bad followthrough, Sliders)

Alright onto the Theory

Take a Mat, such as your everday Placemat or Doormat

Place it flat on the table, now what have you done?
Simply put you have a plane, Not infinite but it works for aurment sake, Now stake another one atop of the first, Another plane, See where I'm going so far with this? Now take one and put it underneath

What I try and show with this example is a blended togther Multi-universe/Gravity theory

The fact remains while we can see the EFFECTS and measure them we can't go out and get a bucket of gravity to measure and if I remeber my schooling(50/50 on that) we still are not quite sure what REAL causes Gravity
Right now the explination is more Mass more Gravity and the closer you get to C the more massive you become untile you supposdly become infitilty Massive(Somthing I never got explained is then how are we here with all those Infiitly massive Light mocules flying around(Bad science I know but stick with me a moment)

So what else could be causeing it?
Its been suggested before that their are mutiple unvierse and each is just out of reach, touching but not effecting our unvierse

Well Mat theory ties these things togther
Each Mat is a Unverise, One big stack of infitie unverises and the thing tying it togther is You so to speak
If I place a minture of you on one mat then cover it with more you will have an EFFECt on each mat above and below to a POINT

This is where the mutli-unverise comes in

Each Unverise you poke through Gravitly you are in

In your BASE unverise(lets say this one) your you, a few trillion higher your the Stalinistc leader of the Planet Zorp. While ruling is all good and normal for the Zorp you its would be very odd for your currant self. Same idea fliped around the currant YOU would probably be very strang to the Zorp Ruling self

Getting back to the point each mat is a unvierse
Each one is insanly smaly diffrant from the next one, might be George Washington coughed one day that in this unverise he did not but its SOMTHING diffrant

Now thats it loosly summed up

So oh posters I ask you
Thoughts?
Suggestions?
Have you seen this idea purposed somonewhere else?
Bob Forbid Critisums?(I try to stay true to my sig but its hard some days )
Oh and lastly Brain dead trolls posts
Be so kind as to remeber to log in people from the amount of people who go DOH with a reuglar baseise

[SPOOFE]

I use this same idea for the fictional universe I write in, but only to the point where individual subatomic particles have an impact on dimensions above and below them. Think of the story of the Princess and the Pea... a tiny object still affects planes many levels above it, but only on such a tiny level that only the most sensitive instruments could detect it.

If you took a cross section of the base particle and the numerous "bumps" it creates as it proceeds up through the numerous levels, it'd look like one long pole... thin in the middle, and wide (and diffuse) at the ends.

Right now, we only have the ability to affect this pole by grabbing it in the middle (the base particle) and trying to manipulate the whole thing from there. Since we're grabbing the total pole in the middle, this makes anything other than simple 3-dimensional movement impossible. 'Course, if we were somehow capable of reaching through the numerous layers and grabbing the pole closer to one end or the other, more creative manipulations can be achieved... think of the whole thing as a level, with the pase particle being the apex.

Of course, it's all fictional, and essentially an excuse on my part to do funky things with materials and energy when I write.

[Mr Bean]

Err that helps
Not realy

Did I miss everyone else tonight?

Normal these boards are hopping

[SPOOFE]

Oop, sorry, Sir Bean. I shoulda said that I like your idea, although I do find it unlikely that, in all these layers upon layers of universes (univi?), I find it unlikely that there'd be one even remotely similar to our own. But, then again, I've only experienced our boring ol' 3-D realm, so what would I know, eh?

[Zoink]

<"Somthing I never got explained is then how are we here with all those Infiitly massive Light mocules flying around">

"Light molecules" (ie Photons) are massless, so being infinitely more massless doesn't make them any heavier.

[Guest]

I dont think anyone understands your talk.

[Zoink]

I dont think anyone understands your talk.

Ok then:

The degree of space-time curvature associated with electronmagnetic force carriers is nil; they therefore carry no kinetic energy (regardless of relativistic speeds).

[His Divine Shadow]

I have no comment really...

[Mr Bean]

Wheres a Wong when you need one?

Just kidding I don't think mike is into Quantum Mech

As for massless light mocules does that not break the everything has mass is matter rule?

Or did you forget somthing or I missed somthing

[SPOOFE]

As for massless light mocules does that not break the everything has mass is matter rule?

Err... there's no such rule, as far as I can tell.

[Rob Wilson]

Wheres a Wong when you need one?

Just kidding I don't think mike is into Quantum Mech

As for massless light mocules does that not break the everything has mass is matter rule?

Or did you forget somthing or I missed somthing

Photons have no mass, it's why they can move at lightspeed and why sunlight doesn't obliterate planets and why a torch isn't the most powerful weapon on Earth.

As to the rest, well Multiple you's in different universes/versions of this universe has benn around for decades, and the conciet of swapping them around is nothing new. However that shouldn't stop you from using it. Hell my STGOD character couldn't exist if there weren't multiple versions of the universe. So don't worry about it. In real Science terms it's nonsense in storytelling/imagination terms it's as good as you make it to be.

However the Gravity linking thing is new as a concept as far as I know, but surely to prevent massive mess-ups your infinite selfs would all have to move to the same places at the same time otherwise the twisted strands of Gravity that linked the universes would get twisted to fuck. How about linking them through some other means (soul, meme, lifeforce, potential, the idea of self, etc)?

[Nick]

As for massless light mocules does that not break the everything has mass is matter rule?

Err... there's no such rule, as far as I can tell.

Principle the first: Light is weird

Principle the second: A photon has zero mass (and therefore does NOT require infinite energy to travel at light speed)

Principle the third: A photon has momentum (which shows that p = mv is not the whole story when it comes to momentum)

Principle the fourth: A photon has energy, but it isn't kinetic energy (it's magnitude is some function of the wavelength of light)

The first principle being the most important when trying to get my Newtonian-physics-conditioned brain to deal with the way light behaves . The other three are just random examples of why light is weird

[Phoenix]

WOOOAAAAAAHHH!!! HYUYUYUYUYUK!!!

[Dooey Jo]

I would say that gravity does not increase that way, with velocity, because the mass that increases is the relativistic mass, not the rest mass.


But then I noticed that this is probably the hugest thread necromancy ever, courtesy of banned Mr. Phoenix, so...