Opinions of M. Cremo's book, "Forbidden Archeology"

Magnetic · Post by **Magnetic** » 2006-03-31 10:15am

Someone brought this book to my attention (when I used the argument of how ancient tools are found in upper strata layers, not lower ones) . . . . and stated how they HAVE found tools in lower layers of the geologic column.

Here's a link to the book where you can see an overview.

I don't know how to dress my links!

Opinions?

Elheru Aran · Post by **Elheru Aran** » 2006-03-31 10:19am

Book Description
Over the centuries, researchers have found bones and artifacts proving that humans like us have existed for millions of years. Mainstream science, however, has suppressed these facts. Prejudices based on current scientific theory act as a knowledge filter, giving us a picture of prehistory that is largely incorrect.

Publisher: Torchlight Publishing

That's all you need to know.

And as a point of fact, science does NOT 'suppress' facts. That is antithetical to science; without facts, a better understanding of the world, its processes and its history cannot be understood. This is ridiculous.

Guardsman Bass · Post by **Guardsman Bass** » 2006-03-31 10:27am

You can't rule something out completely (unless it completely violates Thermodynamics), particularly if they've tried to provide documentation. The reviews don't look positive, though.

Bounty · Post by **Bounty** » 2006-03-31 10:57am

The "Dr. Pierce Flynn" they quote appears to be a sociologist. Not the person you want if you're trying to make you pseudo-science archaeology work sound credible.

and stated how they HAVE found tools in lower layers of the geologic column.

This is actually perfectly possible. There is a difference between in situ materials and those who have migrated through the millennia, be it through, cryoturbation, bioturbation, erosion or catastrophe. That's why any prospected area needs to have a geological profile drawn up.

Bounty · Post by **Bounty** » 2006-03-31 10:58am

Ghetto edit : not that I have anything against sociologists; I just think they called a random conspiracy nut with a doctor title, field of expertise-be-damned.

Frank Hipper · Post by **Frank Hipper** » 2006-03-31 11:06am

You're looking for opinions?

Here's my opinion; it's lunatic fringe bullshit of the worst sort.

Anytime there's a claim of orthodox science suppressing alternative views due to a conspiracy, I say there's someone pushing baldfaced lies.

If these alternative "theories" were worth the paper they're printed on, they would have overthrown the "orthodox" view with a rigorous application of the scientific method and peer review a long time ago.

Magnetic · Post by **Magnetic** » 2006-03-31 03:10pm

Bounty wrote:The "Dr. Pierce Flynn" they quote appears to be a sociologist. Not the person you want if you're trying to make you pseudo-science archaeology work sound credible.

and stated how they HAVE found tools in lower layers of the geologic column.
This is actually perfectly possible. There is a difference between in situ materials and those who have migrated through the millennia, be it through, cryoturbation, bioturbation, erosion or catastrophe. That's why any prospected area needs to have a geological profile drawn up.

I couldn't find the words 'cryoturbation' or 'bioturbation' in the dictionary. Could you give a definition of them? Thanks.

Jawawithagun · Post by **Jawawithagun** » 2006-03-31 03:30pm

Magnetic wrote:I couldn't find the words 'cryoturbation' or 'bioturbation' in the dictionary. Could you give a definition of them? Thanks.

The disturbance of sediment layers by frost/thawing cycles and biological activity respectively.
Wikipedia's got more detailed explanation.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2006-03-31 04:01pm

Any source which refers to a scientific conspiracy to silence the truth is invariably bullshit. It makes the implausibility of vast government conspiracies seem minor in comparison, when you consider that this would have to be a conspiracy of global, international scope.

Post by **LadyTevar** » 2006-03-31 04:11pm

"Torchlight Publishing" ... possible Christian outlook.

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2006-03-31 04:16pm

LadyTevar wrote:"Torchlight Publishing" ... possible Christian outlook.

Possible nothin'.

Magnetic · Post by **Magnetic** » 2006-03-31 04:17pm

LadyTevar wrote:"Torchlight Publishing" ... possible Christian outlook.

This is from their "about us" page:

Torchlight Publishing’s Mission is to assist people to live spiritually balanced, healthy, compassionate, successful, thoughtful, and happy lives.

To achieve this we help people:

1. Appreciate the timeless wisdom of the ancient Vedic Culture by publishing the Great Classics of India – Mahabharata, Ramayana, Bhagavad-gita, and works related to these classics.
2. Live healthy and compassionate lifestyles by publishing books on health and vegetarianism.
3. Enrich their lives and careers by publishing books on leadership, inspiration, and skills for success in life.
4. Expand their scientific horizons and critical thinking, by publishing books that explore spiritually based alternatives to modern reductionist science and philosophy.

I'm not sure WHAT they would be labeled.

Post by **LadyTevar** » 2006-03-31 04:32pm

Magnetic wrote:
LadyTevar wrote:"Torchlight Publishing" ... possible Christian outlook.
This is from their "about us" page:

Torchlight Publishing’s Mission is to assist people to live spiritually balanced, healthy, compassionate, successful, thoughtful, and happy lives.

To achieve this we help people:

1. Appreciate the timeless wisdom of the ancient Vedic Culture by publishing the Great Classics of India – Mahabharata, Ramayana, Bhagavad-gita, and works related to these classics.
2. Live healthy and compassionate lifestyles by publishing books on health and vegetarianism.
3. Enrich their lives and careers by publishing books on leadership, inspiration, and skills for success in life.
4. Expand their scientific horizons and critical thinking, by publishing books that explore spiritually based alternatives to modern reductionist science and philosophy.
I'm not sure WHAT they would be labeled.

......... Religious... New Age possibly.

Magnetic · Post by **Magnetic** » 2006-03-31 04:41pm

By the way, Lady Tevar, . . . I really like your "men are like grapes" signature!

Magnetic · Post by **Magnetic** » 2006-03-31 04:43pm

Would anyone like to "take one for the team" and buy this book to see what it is saying? My "BS detector" is still in it's infancy.

Post by **LadyTevar** » 2006-03-31 04:51pm

Magnetic wrote:Would anyone like to "take one for the team" and buy this book to see what it is saying? My "BS detector" is still in it's infancy.

Your BS detector is working fine. If you *must* read this book, go thru the library.

And thanks for the compliment.

A friend of mine sent me that quote.

Magnetic · Post by **Magnetic** » 2006-03-31 05:24pm

LadyTevar wrote:
Magnetic wrote:Would anyone like to "take one for the team" and buy this book to see what it is saying? My "BS detector" is still in it's infancy.
Your BS detector is working fine. If you *must* read this book, go thru the library.

And thanks for the compliment. A friend of mine sent me that quote.

I'll have my wife do an online check of our local library for the book. Yes, . . . my wife, . . who has stomped me into a working dinner mate.