Any proof how well SBD's would take a phaser hit? (fanfic)

[fusion]

quote: That reminds me of something-how do you know what that pot was made of?
You don't, but most likely it was either aluminum, steel, iron or anything that is similar in properties. This are the most common types of material used in cooking pots, which are about mid-weight in atomic mass. Which phaser may or may not phasorize.

[brianeyci]

This is a good time to bring up an idea I had... I had this idea of a ghosbusters backpack hooked up to a Type-III. And widebeam could be useful since the backpack would act as a power supply. It would be a fucking gas guzzler because of inverse square law, but it's worth a shot I think since the Feds need a squad level fire support weapon and they're not gonna get it if they keep to phasers unless they ramp up the power.

Brian

[dragon]

This is a good time to bring up an idea I had... I had this idea of a ghosbusters backpack hooked up to a Type-III. And widebeam could be useful since the backpack would act as a power supply. It would be a fucking gas guzzler because of inverse square law, but it's worth a shot I think since the Feds need a squad level fire support weapon and they're not gonna get it if they keep to phasers unless they ramp up the power.

Brian

Kind of been done on treknology.org (I think) they hooked up a microfusion reactor to a radid fire phaser pulse weapon (IIIB or something) and turned it in their version of a SAW.

[dragon]

Here we go and I was wrong they weren't using a IIIB.
http://www.treknology.org/sniper-rifle.gif
from here
http://www.treknology.org/marines.htm

[brianeyci]

The "viper" APC looks fucking stupid. Why would you want such huge windows on an APC.

I like the idea a board member had awhile back for an APC. Wheeled vehicle, interior controlled phaser turret, thick transparent aluminum windows, and built in transporter scrambler. It would probably end up looking like a Stryker though .

Brian

[dragon]

The "viper" APC looks fucking stupid. Why would you want such huge windows on an APC.

I like the idea a board member had awhile back for an APC. Wheeled vehicle, interior controlled phaser turret, thick transparent aluminum windows, and built in transporter scrambler. It would probably end up looking like a Stryker though .

Brian

Yeah the viper was a terrible design thses are better especially the one on the end, the HOPPER.
http://www.treknology.org/starfleet_rrt_units.jpg

[Darth Wong]

Can't ... stop ... laughing ...



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[dragon]

Ok easy enough to fix since he disabled the hotlinks.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v470/ ... _units.jpg

[Vympel]

ROFLMAO. Fucking hell, my sides hurt.

That's got to be the dumbest fucking design for an APC ... EVER. On every conceivable level, it's awful.

Maddox should put this up on his webpage.

And did you see the "bladed weapons" picture? A Malemuke sword!!!

What are these people, ten years old? They actually buy into that bladed weapons crap.

I swear, there's something inherently fanboy in wanking to the possibility of "Starfleet Marines". Talk about missing the entire vibe of modern Trek.

[Vympel]

I mean, look at this stupid shit:

On June 3, 1804, Lt. Presley O'Bannon of the United States Marine Corps became the first Marine to carry the Mamaluke Sword when it was presented to him by Prince Hamet Karamanli in gratitude for restoring his rightly place on the throne at the signing of the peace treaty that ended the Barbary Wars. Marines have since carried the sword on the Dress Uniform as a sign of honor and loyalty, the very core of there motto "Semper Fidelis" (Always Faithful). It is still carried by Starfleet Marines to this day though it has been modified to serve as a combat weapon as well...

The current weapon is designed to retract it's tritanium blade from it's full length of 32 inches down to just 8 inches (length of the scabbard) so as not to disrupt the Marine while he is in motion. It has a laser cut monomolecular edge and tip to penetrate most armor types. When mounted inside the blade covering scabbard and turned on, the weapon can also act as an electrified stun baton for non-lethal riot control and prisoner submission engagements.

Not only are we treated to excessive bullshit technobabble as is standard fare for this sort of crap, but we have the common Trektard fallacy that the Federation is some sort of natural follow-on to the United States (also prevalent in their wanking about the non-existent Federation ground army which just happens to be a facsimile of the modern US military). In a word: bullshit. These retards remember very little of the actual show- the United States didn't just up and become the Federation one day

[Ghost Rider]

Can't ... stop ... laughing ...

Dumbass Trekkie Tank

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The art reminds me of something I did as a kid.

But seriously what wanked universe do they live in. Fucking A, that thing isn't a tank as much some giant target for an airforce.

[Darth Wong]

I just came back to the thread, looked at that ViperTard tank, and almost cracked my ribs laughing at it again.

Anyway, look at these prize bits of stupidity from that Marines page:

Bladed weapons would seem to be something of an anachronism in late 24'th century combat but on the contrary field experience by the Starfleet Marines facing Jem'Hadar troops during the Dominion War and Klingon troops during the brief Klingon / Cardassian War showed that in the all too common environment of energy weapon dampening fields that gave rise to projectile weapons like the TR-116 Rifle Starfleet needed effective secondary weapons for close quarters combat against enemies that carried blade weapons themselves.

Is there some 24th century Geneva Convention against slug-throwers? How the fuck is an "energy dampening field" going to stop slug-throwers, when slug-throwers use modern explosives which are composed of CNOH and are therefore basically powered by hydrocarbon oxidizing reactions? Three guesses what happens to people in a "dampening field" that prevents hydrocarbon oxidizing reactions.

Oh wait, check this shit out:

Type IV Long Range High Power Interdiction Phaser
Maximum range: 500m-2km (varies with power setting)
Rate of fire: semi-automatic
Weight: 8kg (9 w/ power pack)
Power source: Standard Self Charging Power Cell
Power capacity before recharge: full power setting - 40 shot; stun setting - indefinite

That's right, it's got a "self-charging power cell" and can fire "indefinite" numbers of shots on stun. Someone's been playing too many FPS games.

Seriously, who makes sites like this? 14 year olds?

[brianeyci]

To be honest if I wanted to use pencil crayons and draw that I would do a terrible job. My art credit from high school was a photography course, I avoided fine arts like the plague and in middle school I could never get the hang of all the color inside the line bullshit... I just never had the patience when I could click fill in paint and fill a whole area and couldn't do it in real life . So it probably took the guy a LONG time to color that thing. It was probably a kid since I can't imagine an adult doing that, except one so cloistered that he'd never seen a real military vehicle (or any vehicle for that matter) before.

A lot of the fluff might be written by kids too. Because if they aren't I just lost a bit of faith in humanity's intelligence and I don't want to do that right now.

Brian

[dragon]

I understand there some need for a bladed weapon in certain situations, we still issue knives to some units in Iraq. Even though they are used more for digging than fighting but sometimes in close qtrs combat you can't draw a weapon. But these idiots in Star Trek sites take it to far. It seems like most of the sites out there wank to bladed weapons.

as for the quality of the drawing I've seen little kids draw better than that. Almost as if they put no effort into it.

[SirNitram]

Ow. Ow. Ow. Ow. Ow.

See, there's a certain level of silliness I can handle. I can even get by with swords in sci-fi, provided people at least acknowledge how useless they are in almost all situations.

But this stuff flies out of the source material and into wank-land faster than you can say B&B.

[Ghost Rider]

Oh wait, check this shit out:

Type IV Long Range High Power Interdiction Phaser
Maximum range: 500m-2km (varies with power setting)
Rate of fire: semi-automatic
Weight: 8kg (9 w/ power pack)
Power source: Standard Self Charging Power Cell
Power capacity before recharge: full power setting - 40 shot; stun setting - indefinite

That's right, it's got a "self-charging power cell" and can fire "indefinite" numbers of shots on stun. Someone's been playing too many FPS games.

Seriously, who makes sites like this? 14 year olds?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

So they have a gun that hit up to 2 KM(yeah, I want to see the person trying to aim that and going "I got a target!") and indefinite stun?

Sounds either someone playing way too much bad FPS or MMO. The Perpetual Battery is just fucking hilarious all upon itself.

[brianeyci]

Anyway I wonder what something like this,



would look like with pencil crayons in the right hands. I wonder what the guy had in mind with the Viper. Probably "I'll add in a weapon here, a weapon there, how do they get in oh yeah like going in dad's car through a door and some missiles here and how do they see they'll need windows... and some more missiles... and a sensor dome..."

At least the thing has treads, though I wonder how it's going to get over roadbumps with that phaser turret hanging out in the front.

Brian

[Darth Wong]

Anyway I wonder what something like this,

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a362/ ... tryker.jpg

would look like with pencil crayons in the right hands.

Far better than that idiotic monstrosity. At least it would look like it's capable of off-road travel if they draw the wheels at anything remotely approaching proper scale, and it wouldn't have stupid shit like that chingun. A fucking chingun on a land vehicle; that is the dumbest shit I've seen in a long time.

[brianeyci]

Lol, I wouldn't be surprised if the guy was like, "I'll draw a helicopter..." then "oops I want to draw an APC" .

Brian

[brianeyci]

Wait, according to this it is an air vehicle!

The Viper Class APC was developed by the Starfleet Marines R & D Center at Epimetheus Station, Titan during the Dominion War to fill a role between unarmed shuttles performing double duty as troop landers and the armed but small Hoppers that carried only a limited number of troops. It was hoped that a dedicated vehicle could fulfill the role with better efficiency and safety.

So he took the helicopter APC hybrid literally... wow. I wonder where the fucking impulse engines are on that thing, so oh I don't know it can fly .

Brian

[SirNitram]

So he didn't like the Hopper(Well, neither did I), so made a wank-vehicle.

[brianeyci]

I don't know why they don't use KISS on their vehicle designs. It's so much more fun to think of how they could adapt their current weapons to fill gaps than create weapons out of thin air, and at least gives a sense of plausability. Let's face it phasers suck compared to firearms unless you want to stun someone, but it's interesting trying to work around the weaknesses of phasers and play to their strengths. Like my idea of a backpack hooked up to a Type-III with a lot of power cells in it for a squad support weapon.

If they want fire support for an LZ... cut a hole on the side of a large shuttlecraft and put a Type-IV in the door.

Starships... an idea I had awhile back was really simple, a breaching pod like in Babylon Five. Basically it's shot out against enemy ships and is the Star Trek equivalent of the Roman raven. The pod itself would be shaped as a penetrator and would have a high intensity short range phaser in the front to create a hole in the shields long enough for the pod to break through. That could revolutionize ship combat with ships shooting out dozens of these pods and boarding rather than pummeling each other's shields to death.

Now that kind of stuff is a lot more fun rather than making up mecha suits or monomolecular bladed weapons.

Brian

[Vympel]

It's pretty clear whoever drew that APC had no concern for real life when he did it. Just look at the windows. See, a normal guy drawing concept art for futuristic vehicles of this nature will often look for inspiration in the modern day, whether it be from nature or from modern military in hardware. Hence how examination of the Mi-24 HIND gave us the LAAT/i in AotC.

Anyone with a clue would look at any number of real-life APCs and notice that they don't have such a huge number of windows. If they're there at all, they're protected by armor, or, in most cases, they use vision blocks.

[Sea Skimmer]

Anyone with a clue would look at any number of real-life APCs and notice that they don't have such a huge number of windows. If they're there at all, they're protected by armor, or, in most cases, they use vision blocks.

Most APCs which do have windows, and only then for the driver, have them because the hull armor is already so thin that some armored glass doesn’t present a weak spot. The windows on this peice of shit are so big you could make a specific effort to aim at them.

[NeoGoomba]

It's pretty clear whoever drew that APC had no concern for real life when he did it. Just look at the windows. See, a normal guy drawing concept art for futuristic vehicles of this nature will often look for inspiration in the modern day, whether it be from nature or from modern military in hardware. Hence how examination of the Mi-24 HIND gave us the LAAT/i in AotC.

Anyone with a clue would look at any number of real-life APCs and notice that they don't have such a huge number of windows. If they're there at all, they're protected by armor, or, in most cases, they use vision blocks.

Rob Liefield must now be a Starfleet design engineer